
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney won the Southern Republican Leadership Conference 2012 presidential straw poll this evening. He beat Texas Rep. Ron Paul (R) by one vote, 439-438.
The full field (with number of votes):
Newt Gingrich 18% (321)
Mike Huckabee 4%
Gary Johnson 1%
Sarah Palin 18% (330)
Ron Paul 24% (438)
Tim Pawlenty 3%
Mike Pence 3%
Mitt Romney 24% (439)
Rick Santorum 2%
The poll was conducted among paid ticket holders at the SRLC, and was managed by Republican pollster Wilson Research Strategies.
The straw poll result extends the rivalry between Romney and Paul supporters at these early GOP events. According to reports on the ground in New Orleans, both candidates had groups at SRLC actively campaigning for votes.
In the last straw poll matchup -- at CPAC in February -- Paul won with 31% of the vote. Romney came in a distant second with 24%.
Though these straw polls usually don't have much to do with who the final nominee is, they give some insight into a candidate's grassroots organization. Paul continues to have strong support among young libertarian voters, who hope he'll mount another bid for the presidency in two years. Romney is perceived to be the national frontrunner at this point, with many supporters inside the establishment GOP.
The SRLC poll is also notable because, unlike CPAC, it was a test for Sarah Palin. Some Palin supporters chalked up her poor result in the CPAC poll (she got just seven percent of the vote) to the fact that she skipped the annual conservative jamboree. Palin gave a rousing and widely-viewed speech at SRLC on Friday, and came in third in the straw poll with 18% of the vote, just a seven votes ahead of the fourth-place finisher, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.
stillidealistic
April 10, 2010 7:14 PM
I would think this is a good thing...very interesting.
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ru4862
April 10, 2010 7:37 PM in reply to stillidealistic
I agree. I think it suggest Romney will not be the republican nominee in 2012.
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benjoya
April 10, 2010 7:24 PM
mitt clearly benefited by being the author of the ObamaCare Prototype™
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tchamp77
April 10, 2010 7:46 PM
What, no Silver for the Mittster?
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Ken Riley
April 10, 2010 7:46 PM
The Mittster has a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination. Al Giordano's got a really good early analysis of the Republican field here. My hunch is that Gingrich will win what will become a re-run of 2008's "Anyone but Mitt" festival.
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calbearinillinois
April 10, 2010 8:49 PM in reply to Ken Riley
Newt as GOP candidate is a DNC wet dream. Between his disastrous record as Speaker, his personal screw ups and all the times he's been wrong about just about everything (on tape, no less) he's both a great target to raise money off of and all but unelectable in anything but a nightmare scenario for Dems.
And don't think the horrible alternate history books where he lets the South and Nazis win will go unnoticed, either.
Personally, I think he's aware he can't win, that the party can't afford to nominate him, but wants to be a spoiler/kingmaker in the next cycle and beyond. Just getting to a point where people think of him as a legitimate leader of the GOP again is a pretty remarkable turnaround from a few years ago, and sets him up as a power player for the next several elections.
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gonzo
April 10, 2010 10:51 PM in reply to calbearinillinois
I hope Newt talks a lot about good Christian family values. The hilarious political ads for that season would practically write themselves.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 8:56 AM in reply to calbearinillinois
I think you are spot on - I honestly don't think any of them really believe they can win in 2012 period. If everyone else can see that they are in total disarray with no other message than to destroy Obama, who's going to vote for them except their 27% of their base. Believe it or not, I have some republican friends (former republicans they call themselves) who said they will not vote and are too embarrassed to even identify theymselves as republicans. Some of them said they like Obama and while they like him they can't vote for him and will probably stay home.
Some posters here think the Independents are going to go out in droves and vote for the republicans because Obama hasn't met their expectations.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 8:57 AM in reply to calbearinillinois
I think you are spot on - I honestly don't think any of them really believe they can win in 2012 period. If everyone else can see that they are in total disarray with no other message than to destroy Obama, who's going to vote for them except their 27% of their base. Believe it or not, I have some republican friends (former republicans they call themselves) who said they will not vote and are too embarrassed to even identify theymselves as republicans. Some of them said they like Obama and while they like him they can't vote for him and will probably stay home.
Some posters here think the Independents are going to go out in droves and vote for the republicans because Obama hasn't met their expectations. I thought independents were smarter than that but apparently not.
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jheartney
April 10, 2010 7:59 PM
All the people currently wringing their hands in fear that Sarah will be the 2012 nominee remind me of the folks who kept moaning about what an unbeatable nominee Rudy Giuliani was going to be in 2008.
Once again we see how little depth there is to her Republican support. In an actual contest (as opposed to a simple public appearance like a book-signing) she chokes.
Gingrich would be an interesting choice for GOP nominee in 2012. He sounds coherent (unlike Sarah), and, like McCain, would have the establishment press fellating him. He couldn't win of course, absent a really incredible economic meltdown.
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lousgirl84
April 10, 2010 8:27 PM in reply to jheartney
He didn't sound very coherent the other day calling the President the most radical president ever....
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jheartney
April 11, 2010 6:57 AM in reply to lousgirl84
I'm not talking about what he says - everything Republicans say these days is full of crazy. I'm just noting he can deliver it in full, well-formed sentences, which is a skill that neither Palin nor Bush ever mastered.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 9:15 AM in reply to jheartney
I kinda meant that with tongue in cheek. I am totally in agreement with your post.
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Bill Bowman
April 10, 2010 10:04 PM in reply to jheartney
People I know aren't wringing their hands about a possible Palin run in 2012, they're licking their chops! "Oh, sweet Jesus, please!" is the usual response I get when I ask how they'd feel about Palin heading the GOP ticket. And these are liberals.
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jheartney
April 11, 2010 7:06 AM in reply to Bill Bowman
I've seen plenty of people worried that if the economy etc. is bad enough, then anyone the GOP nominates has a shot at getting in (which is actually true, even for Sarah). I've seen too many unpossible GOP nominees make it (Reagan in '80, Dubya both times) to get cocky about 2012.
However, I doubt we'll be facing Sarah - she's not going to be the establishment choice, and she hasn't got the smarts or the fortitude to run a successful insurgent campaign. One sign that's true is the fact she couldn't truck in enough votes to win this straw poll.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 9:21 AM in reply to jheartney
JHearteney. Do you believe the thugs are going to pick up a lot of seats in 2010. I don't see it.
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Michael A
April 11, 2010 10:52 AM in reply to lousgirl84
It's possible. There is still plenty of time before the election and many things could change, of course the biggest problem is the economy. However, it definitely is a possibility. It is also possible that dems lose very few seats. It is up in the air right now. I definitely don't see a landslide, but it could be bad. The problems are the dems need to get out the vote and people are just plain stupid. Who knows.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 11:50 AM in reply to Michael A
Thanks for the response... I guess having a rational mind, it is hard for me to imagine irrational thinking about the economy. Did people really believe given the seriousness of the economy when Obama took over, that he could have turned it around in such a short time. I could rationalize it only if the Republicans were proposing a better plan - but they are not. They have shown them to be nothing but obstructionists and that they have no solutions. Their only solution is to try to destroy the President. You'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see that. Even if I were disillusioned by Obama (which you know I am not), I couldn't vote for these people under any circumstances.
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Michael A
April 11, 2010 12:46 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Oh, I am with you on being rational. Problem is the vast majority of the dumbed down population is completely uninformed and is too lazy to get information. We can thank the policies of the b-movie actor's war on education for that.
I am really up in the air on how this might play out at this point. You are correct that the rational vote is for the dem candidates. I always vote dem down the ticket now. However, who knows what people will do. Vote for the party of no? With no plan or agenda but platitudes and the same bullsh*t? It's possible.
Look at whitman in cali. Her ads are preposterous, but they get run over, and over, and over again. No questions, no critical analysis, nothing. Just the same horsesh*t over, and over and over again.
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Overreach THIS!
April 11, 2010 1:41 PM in reply to lousgirl84
I agree with Michael A, here, LousGirl. Charlie Cook has Dems losing 30+ seats and he thinks it may go to 40 or more. It comes down to the stupidity/decision-making processes of low- information-voting independents, some of whom post frequently on this site.
"Why should I vote for Obama?! Two wars, a bad economy, national debt, give me one good reason!" Like that.
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Cal Gal
April 11, 2010 4:17 PM in reply to jheartney
And you can betcha she doesn't want the pay cut also.
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tiowally
April 10, 2010 8:07 PM
Wow, only 18% were delirious enough to vote for Bible Spice. And that's with the coveted Sean Hannity bump! I thought this was her crowd, her base, her lunatic fringe, don'cha know, also, too, you betcha.
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Ken Riley
April 10, 2010 8:14 PM in reply to tiowally
The only thing I can we can read into these results (as with the CPAC results) is that Paul and Romney have pretty solid early ground game, whereas we know that Palin doesn't do the nuts-and-bolts of, well, anything.
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benintn
April 10, 2010 10:07 PM in reply to tiowally
And that, despite the fact that Caribou Barbie tried to butter up the crowd by delivering (I kid you not) caribou jerky for each guest her speech.
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tiowally
April 11, 2010 2:35 AM in reply to benintn
You're kidding, right? You have to be. Bible Spice, Caribou Jerkey? The mind reels.
The only thing missing is Bible describing how she leapt off the back of Todd's snow machine and decapitated and dressed a bull moose with her bare teeth, followed by a recitation of the first half of her favorite chili recipe, don'cha know, also, too, you betcha.
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yug doog
April 10, 2010 8:21 PM
Im a solid progressive so dont take this wrong...but am I the only one who thinks that Ron Paul is by far the least scary of the republican potentials?
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LisB
April 10, 2010 8:24 PM in reply to yug doog
Actually, no, Yuggie. (BTW, it's good to see you again)
My sister likes some of what he stands for, and thinks he makes the most sense. She's not so crazy about him once she digs a little deeper down into the Libertarian point of view, but, she likes the "small government, less spending" message.
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musgrove
April 10, 2010 9:20 PM in reply to LisB
yea then they start talking about what they want to cut from the government thats when they start to lose a lot of people.
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yug doog
April 11, 2010 12:45 AM in reply to LisB
Hey Lis....Nice to see you too. Just been so busy I stopped coming by the cafe. Whats it been, 8 mos? Anyway, hope you and yer mom are well.
-Yug
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susanthe
April 11, 2010 12:04 AM in reply to yug doog
He's just as scary, in a different way. A homophobic, misogynist, racist kind of way.
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edman2012
April 11, 2010 4:55 AM in reply to susanthe
Really? Ron Paul is a homophobe? A racist? yeah okay buddy, keep dreaming and keep supporting corporate sponsored puppet Presidents like Obama. If anything, my fellow queers and black brothers will have A LOT more freedom from the stupidity of government dependency, restrictions, and interference. How about we let people live how they want as long as no one's civil rights, property, and safety isn't compromised? That's what Ron Paul Stands for, get your criticisms right.
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mcc
April 11, 2010 8:03 AM in reply to edman2012
I don't think I know if he's a racist one way or the other? But homophobe, yeah, absolutely, more so than anyone else on that SRLC slate. The thing about Ron Paul is he isn't actually a libertarian. He's a confederate or something. I don't mean that in the sense of wanting slavery legalized (as far as I know). I mean he wants America to be a confederacy of independent states.
When Paul talks about "liberty" or reducing "government" Paul himself means the Federal government, only. If you listen to what he's actually saying his program would have the federal government shrinking but the states expanding, expanding and engorging until they're more powerful and intrusive than the federal government is now. I can demonstrate everything I've been saying here in twelve words: Ron Paul thinks Texas should have the right to make homosexuality illegal. Ron Paul's idea of federal tyranny is the fourteenth amendment telling states they can't abridge the rights of their citizens.
I'm from Texas. So's Ron Paul. When Ron Paul fights for "rights", he is fighting for nothing more or less than the right of people like Ron Paul to repress people like me.
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cole_dranx
April 11, 2010 11:02 AM in reply to mcc
well said.
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Msinformed
April 11, 2010 4:50 PM in reply to mcc
I have to agree with the misogynist streak observation. How can an OB-GYN make a career of treating women's reproductive needs and be against choice? Misogyny or religiosity that is out of place in civil government.
Of course people don't hear too many of Ron Paul's real views because his own party censors him.
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mcc
April 11, 2010 5:39 PM in reply to Msinformed
Of course people don't hear too many of Ron Paul's real views because his own party censors him.
And I think it's not just the party, I think Ron Paul himself works very hard to prevent his real views from being discussed. There's a real sort of don't-ask-don't-tell thing going on with Paul's positions on issues. When Paul or his fans go out in public they usually talk in very broad, abstract terms, about "liberty" or "rights". When he takes a position it's always a position against something, and he rarely gives hints when he comes out against something what he would like to replace it with. When all else fails he goes back to the "leave it to the states" position, which tells us nothing. And if you pull out any of the voluminous writings under Ron Paul's name that predate Paul's 2007-present publicity push it's often hard to get Paul or his fans to stand by them. It's all very vague, like we're supposed to treat Ron Paul as this abstract principle and not a person or a politician.
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Dr Lemming
April 11, 2010 1:10 PM in reply to edman2012
Paul has some unsavory links to racists.
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sailingaway
April 12, 2010 12:49 PM in reply to susanthe
That is ad hominum nonsense meant to squelch debate. He thinks all individuals are equally valuable, but infinitely varied. His campaign manager in the 2008 campaign, who was one of the people who talked him in to running was openly gay. He doesn't even CLASSIFY people collectively by race, which is what some mind about him, he thinks all individuals should be treated the same. Go to youtube if this issue disuades you from listening to him, as I did when I heard it. There are interviews, for example, from the NAACP district chief of his district, a 20 year friend, who says Ron Paul is anything but racist.
There were some racist statements made by volunteer writers under an independent editorial staff for a 'Ron Paul newsletter' back when he was practicing medicine, one of which said the Rodney King riots ended when the rioters went to pick up their welfare checks. There is full agreement by every serious commenter that Ron Paul did not say them. That is neither his philosophy nor his phraseology and if anything he avoids inflamatory words of all kinds against others.
He has hundreds of thousands of youtubes, and if he were racist there would be SOME clip on at least ONE of them of him being racist.
Please look into it. When I heard of it when I was looking into him, I expected to find fire where there was smoke.... but there is nothing at all.
I've been a supporter ever since.
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storm
April 11, 2010 2:16 AM in reply to yug doog
i voted for him in the primary. he was the only R that didn't go along with war here war now.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 9:31 AM in reply to yug doog
I don't think he's the least scary. I think he is scarier than most.
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yellowdogD
April 10, 2010 8:26 PM
I read somewhere last week that the Mittster won eleven
states in the 2008 primaries. Three were his home states,
Mass., Mich. and Utah. The remaining eight were caucuses.
Caucuses aren't going to win him the nomination. They're
nothing but bought votes. He can't win a real primary.
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lousgirl84
April 10, 2010 8:29 PM
Those percentages are a mess.....lol........we're going to kick their butts..
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Leftflank
April 10, 2010 8:37 PM
SRLC, anyone? I'm going with, Southern Racist Lunatic confederacy.
Now, if you're Romney you gotta be hating winning Straw Polls. AKA time wasters until the party decides at the last minute who they'll pretend to totally back. Mitt is a bridesmaid at best & the bozo whom created the template for Obama's Health Care at worst.
The only person happy here has got to be Newt, he almost beat Sarah & his bullshit is proving to be worthwhile. By worthwhile I mean, at least he's not completely dead & forgotten.
The fun part is going to be watching them all try to outcrazy each other while attempting to appear viable & not actually an active member of their own party.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 8:48 AM in reply to Leftflank
That is very funny and very appropo
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calbearinillinois
April 10, 2010 8:40 PM
The real loser here is Timmy Pawlenty. He's spent a ton of time out in the GOP boonies trying to raise his profile, making appearances with Palin, trashing Romney, suing over HCR . . . and he gets a whopping 3 percent. Tying Mike Pence and barely edging out Santorum is nothing to brag about, and certainly not worth destroying your entire political future by going the full wingnut.
Paul has a dedicated following and Mittens can always buy the best organization, but both have hard ceilings on their popularity. The real question is who the Paulites would vote for second, since that person is likely to be the winner of most closed primaries. Please let it be Newt. Or Palin. Or really anyone on this list.
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Velo Solex
April 10, 2010 11:58 PM in reply to calbearinillinois
Timmy has been a real loser for along time.
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benintn
April 10, 2010 10:05 PM
Remember when Bill Frist won the SRLC Straw Poll in 2006?
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Msinformed
April 11, 2010 4:53 PM in reply to benintn
It worked out so well for HIM!!
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Michael A
April 10, 2010 10:12 PM
Wonder how much this win cost mitt the flip. You know he had to buy it with this crowd.
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Leon Kowalski
April 10, 2010 10:22 PM
Dig up Dutch!
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2327772606&ref=mf
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tiowally
April 11, 2010 3:22 AM in reply to Leon Kowalski
By all means. It would be interesting to see if the GOP could tell the difference between the fetid, rotting corpse of, say, Reagan, and the fetid, rotten coughs of, say, Sid McCrashcup.
There are no requirements in the Constitution saying a President has to be alive. It's time to dig up and draft Ronnie!
Fun fact: Pope Stephen VI had the rotting corpse of Pope Formosus exhumed and put on trial in January 897. With the corpse propped up on a throne, a deacon was appointed to speak for the deceased pontiff. The corpse was found guilty, stripped of its sacred vestments, deprived of three fingers of its right hand (the blessing fingers), clad in the garb of a layman, and quickly buried; it was then re-exhumed and thrown in the Tiber.
And then, the band played on. (A polka, I believe.)
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 9:35 AM in reply to tiowally
Tio that is so funny......don't say it too loud, "they" might be figuring out a way to dig him up now and run him in 2012.
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JEP07
April 11, 2010 10:03 AM in reply to lousgirl84
...just like they did in 2004.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 11:51 AM in reply to JEP07
ROFLMAO. Very good JEP07.
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JEP07
April 12, 2010 8:48 AM in reply to lousgirl84
Reagan always did have that Zombie look... I wonder where they're keeping him, in cold storage.
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bk
April 10, 2010 10:31 PM
I really wish Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman would run as the GOP ticket. That would be so fun!!!
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drv
April 10, 2010 11:54 PM
So Mitt wins the straw poll. Uh, what's that saying? Oh, yeah; a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
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itheuser
April 11, 2010 2:45 AM
The fact that Ron Paul is winning, or coming a close second in these polls, is terrible news for Republicans.
Of course, Conservative political energy won't disappear, but it shows just how shallow the GOP bench has become. It's one thing to win elections, but it's quite another to govern well enough that you keep winning them.
Of course, the fact that Romney is seen by many Conservatives as being too Liberal for their modern movement, really doesn't leave them with many options.
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mcc
April 11, 2010 8:52 AM in reply to itheuser
They've got this weird thing going on where the party itself is just this big sucking vacuum of nothingness, with no leaders and no direction and no agenda. But the base is super energized and very active. And the base is so active that it's able to stand in for leadership, with radio pundits and media hucksters like Palin and Gingrich presenting the front that a party leadership normally would. And the base is so active that it's able to force something like an agenda on the Republicans in Congress, where "agenda" means "throw constant temper tantrums to shut everything down". And the base is even so active that it might (?) be able to drive a "win" of some kind in the next election despite the lack of any organized party infrastructure and in a lot of cases some really weak candidates, just through force of angry people who aren't paying attention to candidates and don't care about "governing" coming out and voting a straight party ticket in an off year.
You're extremely right when you point out this isn't sustainable and would very quickly lead to the Republicans losing power if they ever managed to gain any. The scenario I worry about though is that the sheer base momentum causes the Republicans to do well in 2010, and after 2010 they use the opportunity to recoup and manage to rebuild their national apparatus to the point where by the time we have an election where people are ready to care one way or the other about governance the Republicans have actually managed to throw together some kind of issues agenda again.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 9:40 AM in reply to mcc
Great post - I just can't see enough people electing them - even if their base is excited - but given that their base is about 27-28% how are they going to win? I can't believe that many independents can't see them for what they are and would actually vote them back in even if the indies are disappointed in Obama. I don't believe the "other republicans" are motivated to even go out and vote - at least not my republican friends. They feel totally left out. Some might vote for Obama but the rest will probably stay home.
Any thoughts
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mcc
April 11, 2010 2:47 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Yeah, I have absolutely no idea :O
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Turnaround
April 11, 2010 3:56 AM
Every one of their winners is branded on the forehead with a scarlet backwards "L" from 2004.
It's like picking through leftovers looking for the least spoiled bit of meatloaf.
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edman2012
April 11, 2010 5:11 AM
Liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans alike can understand one thing: the U.S. Constitution. If you understand the philosophy of what America is meant to be, then you would never have voted for Bush or Obama. Problem is that the neo-cons basically run the Republican party, supported by Faux News and the hijacked Tea Party by GOP pundits. On the other hand, we have Liberal Democrats who have been spoon fed just as much propaganda by their college professors and corporate media (CNN & MSNBC) to support another corporate sponsored puppet politician like Obama. If you knew how deep the corruption went in our gov't, and how much mainstream media and stupid political parties work to divide us and have us fight amongst each other, it would make your head spin. Have you ever heard a Presidential candidate ever tell his constituents that he or she doesn't want to tell people how to run their lives? That it's the people who should decide how to live their lives without gov't intereference? To keep what you earn and spend it as you see fit in YOUR community? No, you haven't. Ron Paul is the people's candidate simply because he doesn't pander to corporate media or the banksters who truly run this gov't. It's time to unite folks, otherwise, they win.
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minnesconsin
April 11, 2010 10:50 AM in reply to edman2012
ROTFLMAO! Speaking as a college professor, you seriously overestimate our power and influence.
But I'm glad to see that your anti-intellectualism is showing.
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Dr Lemming
April 11, 2010 1:15 PM in reply to edman2012
Oh,boy, a Ron Paul troll.
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psyclone
April 11, 2010 3:58 PM in reply to edman2012
If you understand the philosophy of what America is meant to be, then you would never have voted for Bush or Obama
How cute, the next street-corner prophet here to tell us just what America "is meant to be". Like we have to be slavishly adherent to what a handful of landed wealthy white men intended over 2 centuries ago. Thanks but no thanks.
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itheuser
April 11, 2010 6:36 AM
Your comments are a series of assumptions. You did not state a single objective fact in your post.
Furthermore, well informed individuals don't relegate themselves to cable news, or the mainstream media (whoever they are). Sensible individuals gather their information from various sources, and some even understand the history, and evolution of the American news media. Unfortunately, in America, those with Liberal world views tend to be the most engaged, and interested in these issues.
In fact, many Liberals even predicted the current Conservative destruction of the news media.
Liberalism has a large tent, so Liberals can attract intellectual individuals interested in science, and a host of other academic fields. Conservatism doesn't have a coherent intellectual foundation, and it functions under a much smaller tent. So, while Liberals may have some of the same low information, casual constituents like Conservatives have, Liberals also have a much more entwined intellectual support system that can serve those interests above the most uninformed ones.
What I've come to find is that the people with the most shallow political awareness are generally the ones who are trying to convince you that both parties are the same.
We can despise the manipulation of politicians all we want, but as long as one party cares about the issues that I care about more than the other one, then they will be used.
It's important for you to understand that most Liberals understand why they're Liberal, and they don't mind being a Liberal.
Ron Paul is not the people's candidate because he's not well nuanced, globally aware; nor is his platform remotely functional.
I mean, since we're just discussing our opinions.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 9:13 AM in reply to itheuser
Great post - couldn't agree more....well said.
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Sailormarlowe
April 11, 2010 7:21 AM
Straw poll? People won't vote for a straw man in 2012. Voters will elect a sexy, seductive, stern, strict, sensational woman as US President: Gov. Sarah Palin.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 9:07 AM in reply to Sailormarlowe
You should contact her on her Facebook Page and tell her how much you love her - I am sure for the right price she'd do ya, you betcha.
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larsvanness
April 11, 2010 11:22 AM in reply to lousgirl84
LOL...you have a wicked sarcastic wit and I adore you for that. Can you tell I'm from Boston?
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 11:56 AM in reply to larsvanness
You are too kind. Sailormarlowe is a target here. It doesn't take much to come up with something ridiculous, because he is so ridiculous.
Folks here at TPM either like me or hate me and I'm delighted to have another friend.
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larsvanness
April 11, 2010 12:23 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Well then, you can count me among the former: friend, fan, lover...of your keen intellect and penetrating analysis. I posted this under your comments regarding Dawn Johnsen in case you might have missed it there--Lousgirl84, your breakin' trail through the wilderness for me and I am followin' close behind. Keep it up!
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mcc
April 11, 2010 7:52 AM
1. Mitt Romney
2. Ron Paul
3. Sarah Palin
4. Newt Gingrich
...you notice only one of these four people actually has a political career?
...at most
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JEP07
April 11, 2010 10:01 AM
Palin/Gingrich, 2012?
Add their numbers together, and you have the extremes captivated.
None of them really give Ron Paul a chance, but he still represents the Perotists who are stuck somewhere on a floating decimal point between Wall Street and The Farm.
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lousgirl84
April 11, 2010 11:57 AM in reply to JEP07
Another one that sent me to the floor laughing. You are too funny...but they certainly do give one a lot of ammunition don't they?
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M.L.H.
April 11, 2010 10:27 AM
The GOP is not split right now. It is shattered.
Paul's got the true Libertarians, Sarah's got the Tea Party crowd, the Romneyites hope there's some way to pull in enough moderates to win and Newt is hoping to be the palest dark horse in history at a time when the GOP can't afford an old white guy who follows his dick around all day.
2012 is a long way away and the mood of the country could be very bad indeed. Even with that, the GOP needs a serious candidate at the top of the ticket and these four aren't even close.
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Barry Champlain
April 11, 2010 11:29 AM
You want to know where this is all going? Consider the following:
Yesterday I heard on "the news" a very hyperventilating reporter tell us that there was... One Person... not present at the little GOP gathering in NOLA... whose name was on everybody's lips: "MITT ROMNEY"!
This, we were assured, was A Sign of the 2012 Presidential race to come. And All Eyes Are On Romney.
Now either this was the gospel truth, or this was the message the MSM really really wanted to send me.
So today I pick up TPM here, and find out that this "straw poll" of meaningless gomers beat Ron Paul by only one vote.
This was not in any way the story that I heard, about the deep meaning of the Conference (in fact, Paul's name was never even mentioned).
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Leon Kowalski
April 11, 2010 12:32 PM in reply to Barry Champlain
Do these Temple Knickers make me look fat?
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bluebell
April 11, 2010 11:46 AM
I wouldn't count Timmy out entirely. The others have a lot of baggage and Timmy has been careful to be the vessel for whatever the powers that be want Republicans to be today and if they want him to be someone else tomorrow he'll be glad to oblige. Timmy has no principles and stands for nothing and no one. He will do what he is told. He is not a loose cannon. He will read any script they hand him.
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DugFmJamul
April 11, 2010 2:29 PM
Mitt Romney knows Obama is a socialist, Dr. Ron Paul does not, so Romney would have gotten my vote in that straw poll.
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labman57
April 11, 2010 2:43 PM
There was an interest dynamic at their little gathering in Louisiana. Several members of the party leadership got up and lamented about the Party of No moniker that has been aptly applied to the GOP. And then some speakers (including Ms. Palin) championed the term and called on everyone to refer to themselves as the Party of "Hell No".
The GOP is unified in what they're against, but they still have no clue about what they as a political party are for.
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Michael A
April 11, 2010 3:41 PM in reply to labman57
Oh the leadership knows what they are for. Cutting taxes for the Paris Hilton's of the world, bankrupt the government, welfare for the rich through the dod budget and no bid contracts. Work and manipulate the american people to vote against their interests and rob them blind. That is what they are for.
The issue becomes how best to accomplish that. Right now its obstruction.
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Turnaround
April 11, 2010 4:12 PM in reply to labman57
I thought Jesus didn't like cursing. Oooooohhhhh, I'm so confused!
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Leon Kowalski
April 11, 2010 5:49 PM in reply to labman57
> The GOP is unified in what they're against, but they still
> have no clue about what they as a political party are for.
Kill baby, kill!
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Cal Gal
April 11, 2010 4:09 PM
"...just a seven votes ahead of the fourth-place finisher, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich."
oooooo that must irk the Newster.
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likembrave
April 12, 2010 9:52 AM
I find it interesting that only 3 of those on the list are currently elected officials: Ron Paul, Tim Pawlenty, and Mike Pence. All the rest are sort of "has been" politicians who are relying on their past records to carry them through, but they have no current political springboard from which to make their case for taking the next step. When you are on the sidelines, it's easy to throw grenades. Other than giving speeches and going on talk shows, tell me one thing that Mitt, Newt, Sarah, or even Huckabee have DONE since leaving office. They talk a lot, maybe write books, and probably raise money for other republicans, but they are very removed from the current "Republican leadership" of Boener, McConnell, and even Steele.
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Tosh
June 6, 2010 12:53 PM
I don't think I know if he's a racist one way or the other? But homophobe, yeah, absolutely, more so than anyone else on that SRLC slate. The thing about Ron Paul is he isn't actually a libertarian. He's a confederate or something. I don't mean that in the sense of wanting slavery legalized (as far as I know). I mean he wants America to be a confederacy of independent states.
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