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GOPers Make Friends With Rand Paul, But What Are They In For?


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Mainstream Republicans have their work cut out for them if Rand Paul wins in Kentucky tomorrow. If the polls are to be believed, Paul is about to become the GOP nominee to replace the retiring Sen. Jim Bunning, and Republican leaders are already getting on board. As we've seen over the past week or so, establishment Republicans are preparing to embrace Paul as their man in the fall. But what are they in for? Paul is no establishment Republican, and bringing him into the fold could make for some uncomfortable joint campaign appearances between now and November.

Republicans have no choice but to get behind Paul if he wins, and doubtless most prominent Republicans will praise him when he does. But that means they'll have to take uncomfortable questions on Paul's "unorthodox views," as Salon reports them, "including a desire to abolish both the Federal Reserve and the Department of Education."

Paul has been critical of the Patriot Act (he's suggested parts of it are unconstitutional) and has said he would have voted against the Iraq War. Those stances make praising Paul hard enough for some mainstream Republicans, and we haven't even gotten to his view that drug legalization is an argument "best left up to the states" (he told Time he'd support federal drug laws however.)

Republican leaders are going to have a hard time integrating those views into endorsement speeches. (Thank goodness there's President Obama to rail against or they might really find themselves in trouble.)

And should Paul win in November, they'll have to deal with a Senator who libertarian Republicans consider one of their own Rand has said repeatedly that he's not Ron Paul, but his father's supporters are excitedly following and supporting his campaign anyway.

Then there are the tea parties. Where many in the mainstream GOP have acknowledged the tea party movement and even praised it for its tenacity, few have gone as far as Paul when it comes to reaching out to the group.

"The larger the victory the more the mandate for the tea party," Paul told the AP over the weekend when asked what a primary win would mean.

Tea partiers in Kentucky agree, according to one organizer. They're looking forward to getting a little respect from mainstream Republicans like Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell if and when Paul wins. Tea partiers see Paul as their ticket into the GOP tent, and they expect him to bring their values with him as he joins the establishment as Republican nominee.

"Mainstream Republicans try to steer clear of us," Louisville, KY Tea Party founder Wendy Caswell told me today. "A Rand Paul victory would mean that he [McConnell] has to pay us a little more attention."

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May 17, 2010 3:59 PM   

Supersonic Sarah supported Rand early. Now he wins in a walk. Heh heh. Be warned, limpo libs. Mama grizzly be on the prowl, lookin for limps, wimps, gimps, & chimps. Weed out the weak, make room for the strong.

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May 17, 2010 4:12 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Answer me these questions three....(thwack)

Get back under your bridge.

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May 17, 2010 5:04 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

first with the worst...

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May 17, 2010 5:11 PM    in reply to JEP07

Anyone else see a trend here?

...the extremist wingnut areas of our country are being identified as their fringe teaparty minorities flex their Republican majority muscle.

They may control their own enclaves, but those enclaves, much like Arizona with immigration, are out on the fringe, not the mainstream, the haunt of intractable geriatrics, religious hate-mongers and race-baiting bigots.

They all claim Jesus, but I don't think he thinks much of them.

This really IS a Ross Perot repeat, in so many ways. An extremely independent minority with the power to sway a split majority.

Except that Perot was a fiscal giant compared to these peabrains without a cause.

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May 17, 2010 5:13 PM    in reply to JEP07

And didn't he have pie charts?

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May 17, 2010 5:31 PM    in reply to Packerfanchick

Good ones, at that!

These guys are just cowpies.

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May 17, 2010 5:33 PM    in reply to JEP07

The kind that provide that primal nourishment for turdblossoms.

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May 17, 2010 5:26 PM    in reply to JEP07

PS; I think Sailormarlowe is either a Palin-obsessive OR a certified Palin-connected op, getting a stipend of some sort from the likes of the miscreant members of the Koch family.

Here's a hint. He's too stupid to realize his own transparencies, and the people who hired him are too stupid to see how transparent his "first with the worst" trashing habits are, or they would suggest he try subtlety rather than this boring and stupid crap.

It's like some dumb-blond cheerleader suiting up for the football game, you don't want to hurt the poor girl, but she's standing there with the ball, flipping everyone off like she's a 250 lb. fullback.

The biggest laugh in all this Sailormarlowe crap is that the wingnuts he wants to impress might actually be impressed.

We know better. For all their political genius, they actually think he's a blog hero, when most of us know how desperate he makes them sound.

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May 17, 2010 5:36 PM    in reply to JEP07

He and Arundhati are the same person. Enjoy their comments. Frankly, I think they're hilarious regardless of their intent. If the intent is serious, then sailormar.../arundhat is a jester in the dunce mode and worthy of laughter; if snark is the intent, then the humor is sarcasm at its best.

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May 17, 2010 5:37 PM    in reply to JEP07

"Brevity is the soul of wit": Alexander Pope. You copy, windbag?

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May 17, 2010 5:51 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Oh, look! It has a Bartlett's Quotations. That's adorable!

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May 17, 2010 6:03 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Felch, snowball, repeat.

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May 17, 2010 8:06 PM    in reply to cwnidog

"Brevity is the soul of lingerie"..Dorothy Parker.

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May 17, 2010 11:25 PM    in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe

Oh, I like that. Ms Parker was always a class act.

My standard response to "Age before beauty." is "Pearls before swine."

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May 17, 2010 7:01 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

That's Shakespeare, not Pope. Please, try getting SOMETHING right.

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May 17, 2010 5:12 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

"Supersonic Sarah"? Why? Because she can talk way faster than she can think? I'm surprised she didn't quit her endorsement half way through.

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May 17, 2010 6:53 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Let me get this straight...

So you support liberalizing drug laws and are against the Iraq War, just like Rand Paul?

Or do you try to take any issue at all and twist it to try to make fun of liberals? As such, do you realize that most of what you say is nonsense?

I'm new and an inquiring mind. Humor me.

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May 17, 2010 7:28 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Strong? as in personal odor?

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May 17, 2010 4:07 PM   

I'm quaking in my boots at Palin and her tanning bed.

Yeah, when Rand Paul's plan to abolish social security, medicare, environmental protection, eliminate Fed. aid to states covered with oil and hurricanes, turn our country over to the banks and the oil companies, that will sell big time in America.

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May 17, 2010 4:19 PM    in reply to cmpnwtr

Yup, just wait until it dawns on the Tea Partiers that he'd like to cut off their government handouts. They're all in favor of self-reliance, as long as Direct Deposit is still operating.

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May 17, 2010 4:14 PM   

Pass the popcorn.

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May 17, 2010 4:22 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Wouldn't it be a hoot if he actually won?

Well no, I guess it probably wouldn't be, as any single Senator has the power to totally bitch up the works (as we've seen so many times in the last 18 months), but the campaign should be more fun than a barrel of Teabaggers.

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May 17, 2010 4:39 PM    in reply to cwnidog

It will be a hoot when he wins the Republican primary. Once again, the Republicans are being devoured by the monster they created. If they support him, his opponent highlights all the contradictions. If they don't they risk losing a key seat in a not-completely-red state.

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May 17, 2010 5:42 PM    in reply to cwnidog

I'd wager any bagger who actually get elected will start fudging immediately, and won't expect a second term by the time they realize how compromise, no matter how distasteful, is the fuel of the political realm they have entered.

Baggers won't compromise, so they continue to sequester themselves, as a minority surrounded by other minorities they are intolerant of, and therefore can find no mutual support to create any majority, in that game of constant compromise called "Congress."

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May 17, 2010 8:41 PM    in reply to JEP07

They certainly turned against Scott Brown pretty damn fast.

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May 17, 2010 4:17 PM   

Palin, the Quitter from Wassilla, the woman who complains that her First Amendment rights are being abridged whenever anyone criticizes her, a mama grizzly? Maybe I missed the Animal Planet special on female grizzlies that run away and hide when things get a little too hot for them in the forest.

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May 17, 2010 4:18 PM   

Should be fun watching Republicans squirm when Rand (named after Ayn Rand maybe?) gets on the Senate floor to denounce Iraq/Afghan wars and to pull our troops home ASAP.

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May 17, 2010 4:26 PM   

How could a victory in a Senate primary in an off-year election be a "mandate for the tea party"? They'd have as much of a mandate as Bush did in 2004.

I'm getting so tired of this. Regardless of the margin, a Republican win is always a mandate, whereas a Democratic win is fraudulent or illegitimate.

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May 17, 2010 4:29 PM   

My guess is once he's elected (assuming it happens at all), the GOP will find he's about as useless a legislator as his father, and simply propose and write bills that are pie in the sky libertarian wet dreams that are never even brought up in committee.

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May 17, 2010 5:07 PM   

Aren't social libertarians for gay marriage? Oh the humanity!

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May 17, 2010 5:23 PM   

Well... Reagan wanted to abolish the Department of Ed too, so that's easy. Ron Paul wants to abolish the Fed and go on the gold standard just like Rand does. But that's never seriously going to happen and I think the Paul's know enough to spend time on things that are doable like auditing the Fed.

I think Ron Paul's popularity is evidence that there are Republicans out there who also wish we weren't wasting time and money in Iraq and on social issues he can probably just get by saying "don't care much about them."

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May 17, 2010 5:36 PM   

America is not divided along some perfect liberal/conservative fault line. A majority are not comfortable with the values of either party. At the same time American conservatism has always had a historically libertarian tilt. Paul may cause heartburn for the Bush/Chenney wing of the party, but there is little to distinguish Rand from Goldwater or Reagan conservatives.
The value at issue is individual liberty. Even when Liberals are right on an issue they miss the underlying principle. The principles that deprive the government the power to dictate who we marry and what drugs we can use, also prohibit government from telling us how to educate our children, what TV programs we can watch, what cars we can buy, how we dispose of our trash, what color we paint our home, what we can say.
Nearly a century of big government have failed. Painful Adjustments to Social Security and Medicare are inevitable. A Greece like failure in the US would be a world wide catastrophe that would make the Great Depression look like a party. No one is going to be happy when the liberal statist socialist system we have built collapses, but we can work towards fixing that now, or we can opt for far more pain later. Rather than expand the wasteful government entitlements system into Healthcare we should be looking to wean ourselves from it with the least pain possible. Government can guarantee us all equality of outcome or equality of opportunity, but not both. Even the least of us fair better under the latter, the former allows us all to be impoverished together. To each according to their need from each according to their ability is called Marxism - and most of us know how badly that works.

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May 17, 2010 5:41 PM    in reply to dhlii

What?! I cannot believe that you believe your own nonsensical diarrhea being typed from your fingers.

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May 17, 2010 5:53 PM    in reply to dhlii

Typing 101: Paragraph breaks are your friend.

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May 17, 2010 7:08 PM    in reply to dhlii

I used to admire conservatives because they came off as fearless winners and badasses (see Ronald Reagan). Now they are nothing but a bunch of wimpy, scaredy-cat know-nothings.

Just to address a few of your rambling points...

- The core of American Liberliasm (especially in its current form) is equal opportunity. A level playing field is the best way for the individual to excercise his/her freedom and self-determination. Just because you're poor doesn't mean that you should die from lack of health insurance, for example.

- American Liberalism is a reaction to the boom n' bust policies of economic conservatives. Downturns in the business cycle always lead to collectivist movements that aimed to restrict individual freedom. In fact, Marx's economic thinking was more aligned with the Austrians than with the Democrats. Marx saw capitalist business cycle busts as inherent and necessary, just like the Austrians. Except that Marx went further in prognosticating that communism was the inevitable conclusion from the suffering brought on from a downturn.

Liberalism aimed to prove Marx wrong. And judging from how much teabaggers love Medicare and SS, Liberalism has won out... but shhhhhh. Just don't tell them. It might make their heads explode.

Phew, thinking is hard. No wonder wingnuts hate doing it.

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May 17, 2010 5:44 PM   

I kind of hope he wins in the general. Nothing he proposes will ever get so much as a vote, and we can use it to show how out of touch his voting base is. Further, the good people of Kentucky will get passed over again and again when it comes time to hand out the earmarks. Cut off your nose to spite your face, teabaggers...

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May 17, 2010 6:00 PM   

So if he wins the primary, what are his chances in the general?

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May 17, 2010 6:47 PM    in reply to Eugenian

Good Question.

Paul has promised to push a balanced budget immediately. If he follows through with this, the people of Kentucky would be horrified with what would have to be done to accomplish this. (Gutting Social Security, stopping unemployment benefits, etc.)

Kentucky is a poor, socially conservative state. In fact, McChinless ran on a platform of plenty o' pork in 2008. It boggles the mind that Paul's economic libertarianism would appeal in Kentucky. With economic conditions as they are, Paul is appealing to people who are confused for what he really stands for. His election would just be a reaction of the Tea Party sentiment of the moment.

Rand Paul seems like a hell of a candidate so I wouldn't count him out. But I refuse to believe that he will have an easier time in the general election than Greyson would.

Dems have a good chance of picking this state up.

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May 17, 2010 6:21 PM   

I think the Senate GOP hopes Mongiardo wins the Dem primary tomorrow. Mongiardo would be to the left of only Nelson in the Dem Caucus, and they might figure Paul isn't worth the headaches and hassle with Mongiardo the alternative.

Now if Conway wins, Conway vs Paul would be a helluva general battle.

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May 17, 2010 6:34 PM   

Huh, I thiught that palin and Tea Party endorsements were supposed to be detrimental to a campaign.

Sen. Rand Paul (R), KY...get used to it

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May 17, 2010 8:48 PM    in reply to Barney

You actually think the quitta from Wassila has anything to do with it? Get real. The Teabagger influence you can at least debate. But I would argue most of his popularity comes from the Ron Paul link.

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May 17, 2010 7:12 PM   

Voters will finally be able to see what is over the cliff once yi get behind the sheen of normalcy offered by the Tea Party and their ilk...

http://www.facebook.com/campaigncorner

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May 18, 2010 10:15 AM   

I'm not sure what the big deal is ... like the Perot voter of yore, the tea partiers are pretty much all disaffected Republicans. They'll make a lot of noise and pull the party even further into far-right obstructionism than it is now, but at the end of the day they will vote Republican.

And so will Rand (gack!) Paul. He'll throw in a few meaningless votes to establish his glibertarian bona fides, but on everything important he will vote the party line.

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