
Rick Barber, an Alabama tea partier running for Congress in the Second District Republican run-off, told me this morning that his controversial new television ad -- which features images of pistols, calls for impeachment and a founding father calling on conservatives to "gather" their "armies" against the IRS -- is being misunderstood by critics.
"They need to not look so deep into things," Barber told me when I asked about his response to people who might say the ad might suggest he's calling for an actual revolution rather than an electoral one. "It's definitely not an inciteful call to arms."
Barber said that using the phrase "gather your armies" and stroking revolutionary-era pistols could lead some to get the wrong impression of his message -- but there's nothing that can be done about that.
"You've always got some folks that could take it the wrong way," he said.
Watch the ad (see below for the full script):
Barber stood by the ad's message -- namely that the men who took up arms against the British government in the 18th century would be stirred to do the same thing again by federal policies like the income tax (which Barber says means Americans are "forced to spy on ourselves" in the ad) and the new health care law.
"I think the founding fathers would be absolutely appalled," Barber told me. "If not with the actual policy changes we have made, with the lack of engagement by the people."
Barber said his ad is meant to re-energize that lackluster electorate. He hopes to ride a wave of conservative frustration past NRCC choice Martha Roby in the July 13 runoff to win the right to face Rep. Bobby Bright (D) in the fall. The district is one Republicans think they can flip in November, having gone 63-36 for John McCain in the 2008 presidential race.
I asked him Barber if, like some conservatives, he thinks that frustration with the government could spill over into actual violence like the kind his ad celebrates. He said that if it does, it probably wouldn't come from the right.
"Most of the violence I've seen has not come from my side," he said. As for his campaign, "I believe in upholding the rule of law, and we need to work inside the system to do that," he said.
Viewers come into the ad partway through a conversation with Barber and the "founding fathers" about the state of the nation. "And I would impeach him," Barber says before launching into his rant about the IRS. I asked Barber who "him" was exactly. He said he supports impeaching anyone who deserves it.
Most viewers will probably think he's referring to President Obama. That's OK with Barber. He said that the revelations that the White House tried to prevent Rep. Joe Sestak from running against Sen. Arlen Specter in the Pennsylvania Democratic Senate primary suggest the Obama has broken the law and should be removed from office.
"There absolutely are allegations," he said. "If they're true we should absolutely take action. I'm just taking metaphorically here."
Barber's ad is lighting up the Internet this morning, but it won't make it to viewers homes in Alabama for at least a month. Barber said he plans to run the spot on air, but not until a week before the July primary date.
The script for Barber's ad, which takes place in what appears to be a darkened bar or restaurant:
Barber: "...And I would impeach him, and if that's not enough--some of you men owned taverns. Sam, you were a brewer, Mr. President a distiller. You know how tough it is to run a small business without a tyrannical government on your back."Today, we have an Internal Revenue Service that enforces what they call 'a progressive income tax.' You'll love this: Every year, if not every quarter, we're basically required to spy on ourselves -- report what he earn, who we hire and fire with an all-powerful separate court system. Without representation, they can increase taxes, impose costly regulation or conduct malicious audits.
"Now this same IRS is going to force us to by health insurance. Cram it down our throats, or else. Now I took a took an oath to defend that with my life [points at copy of Constitution] and I can't stand by while these evils are perpetrated.
"You gentlemen revolted over a tea tax. A tea tax. Now look at us! Are you with me?"
Founding Father: "Gather your armies."
runupthescore
June 14, 2010 11:06 AM
Meh. I've seen much worse.
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tiowally
June 14, 2010 11:12 AM
Other things that some people will take the wrong way include murder, rape, bombings ....
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Scupperer
June 14, 2010 11:58 AM in reply to tiowally
Exactly! Just look at Lovelle Mixon, Roman Polanski, and William Ayers. Totally misunderstood.
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June 14, 2010 12:14 PM in reply to Scupperer
Wow... you REALLY gotta stretch to find violence on the Left, eh? Including one I've never heard of, and two from decades ago.
The facts are that the VAST majority of recent political violence is by Fox-watching, Ditto-head Right-wingers. They only believe in Democracy when conservatives get elected; otherwise, they resort to threatening, bullying, and actual bloodshed.
No wonder most of America rejects them!
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Impishparrot
June 14, 2010 12:52 PM in reply to Thomas
Two words: Timothy McVeigh
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LJ
June 14, 2010 5:05 PM in reply to Impishparrot
Macveigh was brought up as a Democrat.
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AdAbsurdum
June 14, 2010 6:08 PM in reply to LJ
That's right, McVeigh was a good ol' fashion anti-government Democrat, uh huh.
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LJ
June 15, 2010 1:41 AM in reply to AdAbsurdum
Check your facts, it's true.
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dswx
June 28, 2010 11:15 AM in reply to LJ
Ronald Reagan was a long-time Democrat and Hillary Clinton was brought up as a Republican.
Your post is classic Republican/Teabagger nonsense by its complete failure to reflect reality.
BTW, all the abortion doctor killers and haters are pure Republican. And David Duke ran as a Republican. "Look it up."
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Lestatdelc
June 14, 2010 6:21 PM in reply to LJ
Bet he was brought up drinking milk too. Therefore, drinking milk = blowing up buildings. Right?
(shakes head)
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Impishparrot
June 15, 2010 2:56 PM in reply to LJ
So what? I was raised by a bunch of damn holy-rollers and I'm a BIG OLE ATHEIST NOW! McVeigh's politics were far outside the main stream. McVeigh voted for Libertarian Party candidate Harry Browne in 1996, casting his absentee ballot from the SuperMax federal prison. I don't know how he was raised, but he died voting Libertarian.
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June 14, 2010 9:14 PM in reply to Impishparrot
You are exactly right. I hope we don't create another Timothy McVeigh. But have you been to Wall Mart lately?
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Hobbes83
June 14, 2010 1:24 PM in reply to Thomas
They like to point out the eco-terrorists, but I'd much rather have them blowing up labs that test on animals rather then federal buildings that have innocent people in them.
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DedicatedDiva
June 14, 2010 2:14 PM in reply to Scupperer
After watching "Eyes on the Prize, Part II," last night on PBS, and seeing the violence (again) and hearing the vitriol spouted by elected officials, as well as the outright disregard of federal law and then to come on this thread to hear/read folks say that the left was/is violent is laughable at best and pathetic. And before I get the "but the democrats were against the civil rights movement" rant, I am well aware of the different meanings/leanings of the two parties at the time, thus I refer to the right wing as meaning today's republicans and the 60's dixie-crats. Same definition, different era.
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JBL1955
June 14, 2010 11:15 AM
Yeah. Don't examine his words -- they don't mean anything. Only stupid pinko commie egghead liberals who spend their time "reading" think words actually matter.
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traitorjoe
June 14, 2010 12:04 PM in reply to JBL1955
What better way prove you are not crazy and violent than to create a violent, crazy TV ad.
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unabashedtourist
June 14, 2010 1:06 PM in reply to traitorjoe
Yeah. He said 'malicious audits'... then he certainly wouldn't mind if i sold Meth to his family with my small business.
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Hobbes83
June 14, 2010 1:28 PM in reply to unabashedtourist
LOL!
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Pete Bilderback
June 14, 2010 11:40 AM
Did I understand correctly that he believes the requirement to report income to the Federal Government is akin to forcing us to spy on ourselves?
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eric the red
June 14, 2010 11:45 AM in reply to Pete Bilderback
Yep. These people are still fighting the income tax.
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traitorjoe
June 14, 2010 12:11 PM in reply to eric the red
They also believe in the healing power of cod liver oil, treating broken legs with menthol cream, trickle-down economics, oil revenues will pay for the Iraq war and the safety of the Chevy Corvair.
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tinsk
June 14, 2010 12:32 PM in reply to traitorjoe
Some of them actually still drive Ford Pinto's... the ultimate vehicular flambe.
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jimspice
June 14, 2010 12:52 PM in reply to traitorjoe
Actually, the fish oil part may be true!
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midnight rambler
June 14, 2010 1:49 PM in reply to jimspice
Except that thanks to the free market, there's no cod anymore.
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chameleon
June 14, 2010 1:09 PM in reply to traitorjoe
Shit. You mean the only reason my mother made me drink all that nasty cod liver oil was because she was a republican? Lol.....
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barrelhse
June 14, 2010 1:44 PM in reply to traitorjoe
And ketchup is a vegetable.
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slb
June 15, 2010 3:07 AM in reply to Pete Bilderback
He also seems to believe, if I understood the ad correctly, that the IRS can increase taxes on its own authority, without any vote of Congress to do so. I'd sure like to know where that notion came from.
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davcbr
June 14, 2010 11:43 AM
"inciteful"
???
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agio
June 14, 2010 12:52 PM in reply to davcbr
Not a very common word, I'll grant you, but according to the OED it is a word.
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Powkat
June 14, 2010 1:06 PM in reply to agio
yeah, I'm sure he consulted the OED.
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Mimi katz
June 14, 2010 1:21 PM in reply to Powkat
One irony of the ad is that the income tax came in with Prohibition, to replace the huge amount of federal revenue that came from taxes on alcoholic drinks.
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Bruce Webb
June 15, 2010 10:46 AM in reply to Mimi katz
Mimi that would truly be ironic. Unfortunately it gets tripped up by the Intertoobz magic fact checking ability.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am16
Sixteenth amendment authorizing the Income Tax ratified on 2/13/1913
Eighteenth amendment outlawing manufacture, transport or sale (though interestingly not possession or consumption ratified on 1/16/1919
Damn timelines.
What is ironic is that the occassion for Washington actually gathering his armies during his Presidency was to suppress organized tax invasion, in this case not on tea, but on whiskey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion
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Lovelynina
July 14, 2010 10:19 AM in reply to Bruce Webb
You're right on your timeline but absolutely wrong on your historical analysis. Mimi Katz is absolutely right; the establishment of the income tax paved the way for both the political and financial viability of Prohibition. I suggest you review the baroque interrelationship between Prohibition, federal income tax, and women's suffrage. This is well-researched and summarized in Daniel Okrent's recent book, Last Call (available through Internet sales).
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agio
June 14, 2010 1:55 PM in reply to Powkat
The irony is, if OED is to be believed, the word was coined by SCOTUS in 1971.
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Signalman
June 15, 2010 4:31 PM in reply to Powkat
I grew up in Alabama, and I am pretty sure that copies of the OED will burst into flame when they are brought into the state. Either that or the locals will wrestle them away from you and use them to start a pit fire so's they can bobbycue them some pork-pig.
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June 14, 2010 11:44 AM
I'd like to hear his alternative to the progressive income tax. A regressive one, maybe?
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Hobbes83
June 14, 2010 1:30 PM in reply to Patrick
Pretty much. He'd probably love to finish what Reagan started-shifting the tax burden from the rich to the middle class.
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kmellis
June 14, 2010 4:13 PM in reply to Patrick
These people are so incredibly stupid that they think that "progressive" in "progressive income tax" refers to political ideology.
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LJ
June 14, 2010 5:08 PM in reply to Patrick
How about a FAIR one instead.
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kenga
June 14, 2010 8:26 PM in reply to LJ
Fleece All Idle Rich?
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George C
June 14, 2010 11:44 AM
Or what we pay is what "the IRS calls a progressive income tax"?
Or that the IRS "can raise taxes whenever it wants"?
Has this guy graduated 6th grade? Will someone in Alabama demand to see a Junior High report card?
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tiowally
June 14, 2010 12:07 PM in reply to George C
I'm pretty sure he threw away his report card because neither he nor his mother (who's also his sister) could read it.
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June 14, 2010 12:45 PM in reply to tiowally
Ouch!
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AmericanDad
June 14, 2010 11:45 AM
One more demonstration that the Tealanders know zilch about our history. No, the Revoltion was NOT over a "tea tax." And not only did the first president impose a tax, he sent troops to put down a rebellion against that tax. It goes on and on and on....
And no matter how many times the Right wants to calim that "most" political violence comes from the "other side," the evidence simply refuses to support them.
Most of his viewers and supporters, however, will digest a steady diet of excrement from Fox Noose, so thjey'll have no idea how wrong this joker is.
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hologram5
June 14, 2010 1:28 PM in reply to AmericanDad
Couldn't agree with you more A-dad. He did hit on one point I'll agree with though:
"I think the founding fathers would be absolutely appalled," Barber told me. "If not with the actual policy changes we have made, with the lack of engagement by the people."
THe lack of engagement by the people in the last, oh I don't know, 20 years? This has steadily led us down the road to where we are today. With lack of understanding by the people of policy and knowledge of what should be and what is reality is clearly an issue. I find it hard to believe anything that comes from any talking heads as the truth is a far cry from what is portrayed. Take our lower eastern seaboard for instance, this has been destroyed for the next 50-100 years. I was in Simpson bay when the oil tanker hit the rocks in AK, fishing was affected for years and still is. That was minute compared to what is going on in the gulf and we have been lied to about its severity.
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Jaycal
June 14, 2010 1:51 PM in reply to hologram5
Idiot ironies. "Lack of engagement by the electorate"? You mean the Founding Fathers that limited suffrage to propertied males... most preferably white?
Looking back to the Founding Fathers for anything other than interesting historical stories is useless in trying to frame a modern debate about policy.
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Bruce Webb
June 15, 2010 11:03 AM in reply to Jaycal
The Founding Fathers did not restrict the suffrage to property owning males. Nor is there any direct reference that put in restrictions by race or sex. All such restrictions were at the State level whose rules varied considerably.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
For example between 1790 and 1807 that tiny amount of woman would met property limits had the vote in New Jersey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_suffrage_in_the_United_States Since husbands controlled their wives wealth legally this meant that the vote was restricted to a handful of wealthy widows. Equally certain northern colonies allowed blacks who met the property qualifications to vote,
The Founding Fathers were not raving revolutionaries, but neither were they the kind of reactionaries certain moderns like to present them, and this is a prime example
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larsvanness
June 14, 2010 1:46 PM in reply to AmericanDad
Thank you American Dad. I was waiting for this.
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Helpcomputer
June 14, 2010 2:31 PM in reply to AmericanDad
They take their history lessons from Glenn Beck. 'Nuff said. What's sad and frustrating about it is that there's no convincing them of the truth, of simple historical facts, once Beck's had his way with them.
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Patrick D
June 14, 2010 4:07 PM in reply to AmericanDad
The best part is that the Boston Tea Party was in response to the British Government's cutting taxes on tea imported from Britain to the colonies, making that tea less expensive than the tea that the colonists were smuggling in.
In other words, they were protesting a tax cut.
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Lestatdelc
June 14, 2010 6:26 PM in reply to Patrick D
For British multinational corporations no less. BP better hope that the teahadists continue with their own alternative reality version of history.
Paging Tony Hayward, you have a courtesy call on the white telephone.
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cactusjackwallace
June 14, 2010 7:00 PM in reply to AmericanDad
yeah, he should really google "Whiskey Rebellion". And does he think the IRS can unilaterally raise taxes? Weird.
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slb
June 15, 2010 3:15 AM in reply to AmericanDad
I was going to post a message to the effect that Barber had evidently never heard of the Whiskey Rebellion and Washington's role in putting it down, but you got there ahead of me. It's so nice to be part of a community that actually knows something about history!
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Matt Jones
June 14, 2010 11:48 AM
Mr. Barber added: "Similarly, the video where I'm stroking the rent-boy's cock - not gay AT ALL."
Can TPM *please* be more persistent in teasing out exactly WHAT these teabagging idiots think Obama should be impeached for?
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Duck Stab
June 14, 2010 1:20 PM in reply to Matt Jones
They want to impeach him because he's A) a Democrat and B) not white.
Simple as that.
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slb
June 15, 2010 3:19 AM in reply to Duck Stab
And Bill Clinton's experience shows that (B) is not a necessary condition. It's enough just to be a Democrat.
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BigBadBama
June 14, 2010 11:50 AM
Just a word of advice: When someone who's been dead for 200 years and now looks stunningly alive says "Gather your armies", as a warm-blooded, brain-toting human you do not want to see what happens next. But that's the genius of the Founders. They let your childish anger drive you to reanimating their corpses and then laugh at your shocked expression when the ensuing zombie holocaust is the result.
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trog69
June 14, 2010 12:47 PM in reply to BigBadBama
Your newsletter. Please forward. thx
I for one look forward to worshiping our new zombie Founder Overlords!
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Signalman
June 15, 2010 4:55 PM in reply to BigBadBama
Well, they keep reanimating Jeebus for their purposes, so reanimating Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, the Professor, the Howells, Ginger and Mary Ann is a much simpler job for them when you think about it.
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ddugo
June 14, 2010 11:50 AM
Did anyone notice the phrase, "without representation?" in there?
The metaphor is so flawed, but I guess I don't expect Rick Barber to understand big words like "metaphor". These people have had full representation in congress all this time! Don't they understand this simply makes them traitors rather than legitimate revolutionaries?
This ad seems seditious on first blush and Rick Barber should be held accountable, both at the ballot box and by federal authorities. Time to tap the brakes Obama...we're about to head downhill into treason.
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Wildeye
June 14, 2010 12:00 PM in reply to ddugo
Yeah, the whole "taxation without representation" angle makes no sense which is kind of a problem when you build a movement around it.
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Matt Jones
June 14, 2010 12:22 PM in reply to Wildeye
It makes perfect sense to the average teatard - if their guy didn't win, then it doesn't count as "representation". With that in mind, it's clearer what they are really going for when they rant about wanting "representative government" - government for cranky old white men, BY cranky old white men. The fact that the demographics are shifting away from that doesn't bother them, as anyone who isn't a gun-totin' Bible-clingin' Reagan-worshippin' good ol' boy isn't a "real American" and shouldn't really get to vote...
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CyberDuckie
June 14, 2010 4:12 PM in reply to Matt Jones
Heh, teatard. Love it!
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bentd
June 14, 2010 12:31 PM in reply to Wildeye
Also, what's with the phrase "forced to spy on ourselves"...not to be technical, but how can you really spy on yourself?
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Hobbes83
June 14, 2010 1:36 PM in reply to bentd
Things like logic and grammar are unimportant to teagabbers.
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SantaMonica
June 14, 2010 2:15 PM in reply to bentd
see Bob Dylan's Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues
http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/talkin-john-birch-paranoid-blues
bwahahahahaha
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Lestatdelc
June 14, 2010 6:28 PM in reply to bentd
Wait until they get to the bit about performing cavity searches on yourself. Though I hear that you can solicit help with that from private parties via rentboy.com
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Scott in PacNW
June 15, 2010 1:19 AM in reply to Lestatdelc
LOL!
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KeithL
June 15, 2010 3:27 PM in reply to bentd
Get a mirror!
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aq
June 14, 2010 12:51 PM in reply to ddugo
Isn't he running to be their representation? CURIOUS. Didn't the republican preceding him... also represent them? CURIOUS. Dude probably doesn't have a clue on how his vote matters, but only in the sense that it's going to be the minority and will be recorded in the books as doing absolutely nothing to further his ridiculous agenda.
brb. starting a new constitution.
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George C
June 14, 2010 12:58 PM in reply to ddugo
So, I guess the Bagger supports full representation for DC?
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CyberDuckie
June 14, 2010 4:14 PM in reply to George C
And Puerto Rico?
HAHA, I see talibagger heads exploding everywhere.
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draftedin68
June 14, 2010 11:54 AM
Yeeeee-fuckin-hawwwww!
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RobertSeattle
June 14, 2010 12:00 PM
Wow, the IRS can raise taxes arbitrarily. Who Knew?
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Helpcomputer
June 14, 2010 3:04 PM in reply to RobertSeattle
Obviously. That's what HCR was all about: a cover to give the IRS it's own army to go door to door to pull the plug on grandma. Haven't you read the latest teabagger newsletter?
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georgecs
June 14, 2010 12:00 PM
Every time I hear incoherent uninformed simplistic nonsense like the Founding Fathers rebelled over a "tea tax" makes me realize that this so-called movement is run by a bunch of fat middle-aged losers who were too busy being dumb jocks in high school to pay attention in history class, but now set themselves up as experts using three syllable phrases that are meant to pass for intellectual discourse, but have no damned connection to facts or reality.
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George C
June 14, 2010 1:02 PM in reply to georgecs
Well, to be fair, one of the grievances in the Declaration of Independence says they're challenging the King:
"For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent".
One of those taxes was the tax on tea.
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Jaycal
June 14, 2010 1:57 PM in reply to George C
Yea, but since when has Alabama not been represented in Congress?
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Lestatdelc
June 14, 2010 3:24 PM in reply to George C
The revolution was fought over the "without representation" part. Not the taxes.
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slb
June 15, 2010 3:27 AM in reply to Lestatdelc
Right. The whole fight was about the colonists' insistence that only the colonial legislatures could legitimately impose taxes on the colonies, since they had no elected representatives in Parliament. The British deliberately made the tea tax attractively low to try to induce the colonists to swallow the principle of taxation by Parliament, but the American radicals would have none of it.
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George C
June 15, 2010 8:39 AM in reply to George C
Yeah, yeah. Of course it was taxation without representation. (Working in DC, that's a principle you can believe in!)
Still, it wasn't as though the tea tax was irrelevant. I'm just quoting the declaration, that's all.
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Subliminability
June 14, 2010 12:01 PM
The Old Timey Patriot guy says "gather your armies" because he plans to go find General Gage and surrender to the Lobsterbacks -- having just seen a chilling. dystopian vision of life post-independence.
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eric the red
June 14, 2010 12:43 PM in reply to Subliminability
Ha!
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slb
June 15, 2010 3:30 AM in reply to Subliminability
Aha! No wonder his face looked like he had been sucking on a lemon.
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EnnuiDivine
June 14, 2010 12:05 PM
How sad. Republicans COULD flip the AL-2...if they ran someone who didn't think calling for violent overthrow of the US government makes for a good campaign video.
The district is incredibly conservative on social issues; not so much when it comes to getting government aid for their communities. Bobby Bright is barely a Democrat, and he's the best suited Congressman for the district: socially conservative, economically populist, and not a teabagging psychopath. He should be able to win against this nutbar.
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Roddy McCorley
June 14, 2010 12:07 PM
Two things...
1) The Founders revolted over something rather more complex than a "tea tax."
2) Rick Barber doesn't enunciate terribly well.
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June 14, 2010 12:33 PM in reply to Roddy McCorley
Thank you for point out #1 -- the heart of the issue wasn't the tax. It was the taxation without representation.
Another question: he says he took an oath to defend the Constitution. Was that from when he opened his billiards business?
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Helpcomputer
June 14, 2010 3:24 PM in reply to Jacob
It wasn't even taxation w/o representation. It was the complex yet inevitable result of imperial colonialism. Every European colony has made an attempt to achieve independence from its ruling power. And it's not because of taxes.
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Matt Jones
June 14, 2010 3:32 PM in reply to Helpcomputer
Actually, a not insignificant part of the motivation for the protests was that the British were dumping (the economic version) at a price so low that, even with the tax, it was no longer profitable to *smuggle* tea into the colonies. The smugglers, of course, got to write the history books afterwards so it's not widely mentioned.
Mind you, that means that Shrub and co. *could* actually be regarded as "returning us to the values of the Founding Fathers" - though I doubt manipulating the populace to support the profits of illegal enterprise is somehow what the people screaming that think of as a "value".
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Subliminability
June 14, 2010 12:13 PM
"lack of engagement by the people"?
On the contrary, the Founders would probably be rather surprised by the extent of political engagement by certain segments of the population, such as women, nonwhite people, and people who don't own real property. One suspects they would have had a diversity of views about that.
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Mimi katz
June 14, 2010 1:25 PM in reply to Subliminability
And some would have joined the teapartiers in rolling back those reforms, and reinstituting slavery perhaps?
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slb
June 15, 2010 3:36 AM in reply to Mimi katz
Not those at the top of the pantheon; certainly not Washington or Jefferson, though I'm less sure about Patrick Henry. Of all of the founders, he's probably one of the most likely to be part of the teabagging movement were he to re-appear today. He was outspoken in his opposition to ratification of the 1787 Constitution; he thought it made the national government entirely too powerful.
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Dorn76
June 14, 2010 12:14 PM
They think this is bad, what would the Founding Fathers say about (gasp) Reagan Era levels of taxation?!!! There'd be another Revolution I tell ya!
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CityGuy
June 14, 2010 12:16 PM
Rick Barber needs to make common cause with all those white, southern Teanuts from Brooklyn. Hell I think that there are actually more PEOPLE in Brooklyn than in the entire state of Alabama!
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EnnuiDivine
June 14, 2010 12:27 PM in reply to CityGuy
Well...Brooklyn and Queens combined.
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Gericault
June 14, 2010 12:21 PM
It's always the same thing with these simpletons.........they have a long fiery verbose litinany of complaints based upon a false premise.
Saying that the revolution was based on the taxing of tea....misses the whole point and tries to make thier movement a zero sum game.
In order to have an intelligent fact based discussion on the issues with a tea partier always devolves into a history lesson where they usually have the basic premises completely misconstrued and refuse to listen to anything more...
This is the current state of political discourse in this country . We are not functioning properly.
"An enlightened citizenry is indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic. Self-government is not possible unless the citizens are educated sufficiently to enable them to exercise oversight. It is therefore imperative that the nation see to it that a suitable education be provided for all its citizens" Thomas Jefferson.
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FreemanW
June 14, 2010 1:26 PM in reply to Gericault
"An enlightened citizenry is indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic. Self-government is not possible unless the citizens are educated sufficiently to enable them to exercise oversight. It is therefore imperative that the nation see to it that a suitable education be provided for all its citizens" Thomas Jefferson.
That really does say it all when combined with the Bush Administrations unfunded "No Child Left Behind" which has to be the all-time winner in the cynical wedge issue contest for evil politicians.
Rick Barber and the Tea Party is the predictable product when the shallow end of the gene pool is exploited by the ruling class elite.
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biff diggerence
June 14, 2010 12:21 PM
"They need to not look so deep into things," Barber told me when I asked about his response to people who might say the ad might suggest he's calling for an actual revolution . . ."
(I'm just a slave state shitkicker with a non-functioning cortex)
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Hobbes83
June 14, 2010 12:23 PM
This man is so woefully ignorant and misinformed on civics that it really is a shame that he is running for office. The teatards like to ride the anti-intellectual wave, but this guy is so idiotic that he should be ashamed of his lack of knowledge on basic government functions. Why the fuck should the president be impeached? What has he done that would be an impeachable offense? I almost guarantee that this asshat was all-in for Dubya when he was listening in on people's phone calls and lying us into a war.
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Hobbes83
June 14, 2010 12:24 PM
This man is so woefully ignorant and misinformed on civics that it really is a shame that he is running for office. The teatards like to ride the anti-intellectual wave, but this guy is so idiotic that he should be ashamed of his lack of knowledge on basic government functions. Why the fuck should the president be impeached? What has he done that would be an impeachable offense? I almost guarantee that this asshat was all-in for Dubya when he was listening in on people's phone calls and lying us into a war.
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barrelhse
June 14, 2010 1:54 PM in reply to Hobbes83
That was awesomel- I just read 1/2 of your post in the top box, then finished it in the bottom one!!
Sarah Palin
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Hobbes83
June 14, 2010 2:08 PM in reply to barrelhse
:D
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happily independent
June 14, 2010 12:24 PM
This guy's rant is just a bunch of wink & nod jargon from the tea party, whose members know exactly what he is inciting.
The founding fathers wouldn't have a clue about half the stuff he's yammering about.
Gather. Your. Armies. --it's like Facebook jargon in a political ad.
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Smitallica
June 14, 2010 12:34 PM
BARBER: "You gentlemen revolted over a TEA TAX!"
FOUNDING FATHER: "No, fucktard. We didn't. Now go read a book and leave governing to the grown-ups. You idiot shitkicker."
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AlphaLiberal
June 14, 2010 12:54 PM in reply to Smitallica
No kidding! That they think the American revolution was over TEA shows how clueless the teabaggers are.
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valgal
June 14, 2010 2:31 PM in reply to Smitallica
I would love to see that in a response ad!
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agio
June 14, 2010 12:56 PM
Alabama gets around $1.70 from the Federal Government for every $1 they remit in federal income tax.
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WaitWut?
June 14, 2010 12:58 PM
I'm building a time machine so the founding fathers can come back and kick these asses back to the stone-age. I'm sick of the calls for violence while denying they were "really" calling for violence.
Actually, I'm just sick of it all. Today is Flag Day. The asshole 'bagger down the street from me is flying the flag...upside down. It put me in a really bad friggin mood. Nowhere in flag protocol does it state that the "signal of distress" these pricks are claiming includes fear of taxes or black Presidents.
And to any idiot right-wing troll that starts whining about the left-wing morons who have burned the flag...your 'bagger friends are worse for claiming patriotism in their disrespect. At least those useless hippies claimed to hate our country before desecrating out flag. I would have gladly helped drag them to Canada or Mexico by their hair to alleviate some of their anxiety. See? I'm an equal-opportunity, Liberal, flag waving, gut toting, tree-hugging, hater.
Leave our founding fathers alone. None of you has the slightest clue what they would be thinking if alive today. Except for Thomas Jefferson. We get to claim him for our side since you IQ challenged freaks decided he was too liberal for Texas history books. And, since we get to claim Pres. Jefferson, he told me to tell you you're all a bunch of asses and quit hiding behind the Constitution and realize that he wrote it 234 years ago. He also said he thinks it's cool that women and black people can vote, now. He's pretty happy about the ending of slavery, too, but thinks we should've gotten over the racism thing a long time ago. Oh...and he'd like you to stop claiming that we are a "Christian nation." He said he had more to say, but he was going to work on a new Constitution that will be easier for you right-wing nuts to understand. It's set in 14pt Arial and includes pictures.
/endrant
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chameleon
June 14, 2010 1:30 PM in reply to WaitWut?
LMAO!!! Now that was funny.
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valgal
June 14, 2010 2:34 PM in reply to WaitWut?
Beautiful.
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Lestatdelc
June 14, 2010 3:31 PM in reply to WaitWut?
Well, except Jefferson didn't write the Constitution. ;)
Righteous rant otherwise.
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slb
June 15, 2010 3:46 AM in reply to Lestatdelc
True enough. He and Madison were close political allies, though, and they were in touch with one another during the time the Constitution was being debated. Jefferson might not have been in the room, but his influence was definitely there.
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June 14, 2010 9:10 PM in reply to WaitWut?
You should be running for government somewhere. You not only make sense but you know your facts.
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slb
June 15, 2010 3:44 AM in reply to WaitWut?
Indeed. Jefferson would be the first to say (and in fact, I think he did say it) that he'd have anticipated the Constitution would need to be replaced, or at least drastically overhauled, roughly once a generation or so. He might be disappointed we haven't actually done that.
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Bruce Webb
June 15, 2010 11:24 AM in reply to WaitWut?
Excellent rant. I do think you have captured Jefferson's spirit. But maybe not his letter.
Only problem is that Jefferson was in France from 1786-1789 as Minister from the Colonies, and although kept in touch by correspondence was not actually in Philadelphia to help draft the text.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson
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June 14, 2010 1:00 PM
can somebody with the knowledge and skills make a parody of this? With the dead people talking sense back to him about his history?
Please? It would be oh so funny.
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MyMy
June 14, 2010 1:05 PM
Tea party/Libertarian=SELFISH.
Who else but the totally self-centered could demand both freedom FROM [law, regulation, taxes, & government] and the freedom TO [bully, threaten, pollute, discriminate]?
They want it ALL, like the criminals they wish to be.
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Powkat
June 14, 2010 1:26 PM in reply to MyMy
They want something for nothing: they get to keep the federal largess, but don't have to obey any laws they don't like, get to make traitorous claims and don't have to pay taxes. If they hate the government so much they should stop driving on public roads, stop calling the police or fire departments when they have a problem, stop taking any governmental benefits whatsoever. Yeah, that'll happen.
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clemenceau
June 14, 2010 1:09 PM
BP executives probably got a pretty good chuckle out of that one. Just confirms their faith in the fact that AL will not be too big a PR problem. Just order some more truck loads of shiny objects and tricorne hats.
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ericf
June 14, 2010 1:24 PM
It's not only conservaties unlikely to see the metaphor in "gather (pause) your (pause) armies". I also don't see how you read this except as a call for armed rebellion.
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BroderickCicero
June 14, 2010 1:25 PM
I find much of the Tea Party rhetoric disjointed, misguided and rather simplistic.
But why is this movement such a mystery to people? Starting with George H.W. Bush, politics in this country has become a spectator sport. It's us against them, Blue team against Red team.
The Tea Party is simply a old franchise that has been dusted off and restored with second hand parts.
But at the core of all political discontent (left, right and otherwise) in this country is a general disgust with the Establishment. The political and educational elite (the few) versus the middle class (the many). The idea that there are those that have access (the few) and those that get pandered too (the many). That there are those (the few) that think they know better than the general masses (the many).
The 'many' have listened to the 'few' spew over and over again about how they will balance the budget, cut government spending, reduce government, end the war, move away from fossil fuels, stay out of our bedrooms and private lives and yet as the 'many' make these pledges irrespective of party they spend more, print money to cover debts, escalate conflicts, drill for more oil, and treat drug addicts as criminals even as pharmaceutical companies register record profits by promoting off-label use with a Doctor's prescription.
It's the double standard. The hypocrisy. The seemingly complete lack of rational thought that occurs at the highest levels of this country's 'leadership'. And the advent and immediacy of the information age has given voice, audience and camaraderie to even the least intelligible individuals.
Traditional news media, wannabe wonks and political hacks are too busy pointing fingers and placing blame to focus on anything substantial. And as long as this environment is allowed to fester, we'll have more sinkholes like the Tea Party come to the surface.
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jeffgee
June 14, 2010 1:37 PM in reply to BroderickCicero
"If the Tea Party Patriots ever developed a coherent platform or agenda, they would lose half their supporters."
Michael Kinsley
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jeffgee
June 14, 2010 1:29 PM
Did Barber's Alabama ancestors fight to secede from the Union? Maybe he's wearing the wrong uniform in that ad.
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June 14, 2010 1:31 PM
As an educated, voting citizen who is both female and black, I take issue with any ad that literally speaks about the principles of our "founding fathers." I happen to like having the *right* to vote which, of course, the "founding fathers" would never have granted me. Make no mistake, I have respect for those who signed the Constitution and the job they did setting up this great nation. But, when certain groups spend so much time looking back, it prevents us all from moving forward.
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Subliminability
June 14, 2010 1:55 PM in reply to Marquisha
What many of the right-wingers like about the "founding fathers" is precisely that they operated in a time when only certain white men could vote or hold office. What the wingers don't like (if they even know) about them is that many of the founders were relatively egalitarian for their time and relatively freethinking on matters of religion.
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Bruce Webb
June 15, 2010 11:35 AM in reply to Subliminability
To repeat. Nothing in the Constitution as adopted in 1789 prohibited States from granting the franchise to women or blacks. Nor are there any property qualifications. And some states had in certain limited circumstances done both. To claim that any individual Founder, and particularly those from the North would have actively sought to deny those rights once extended requires some positive evidence.
All issues of citizenship were reserved to the States with the proviso that:
"The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. "
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Article4
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Tammy Turnip
June 14, 2010 1:37 PM
And now for some comic relief... http://bit.ly/aK8blJ
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TJ21
June 14, 2010 1:44 PM
7/10 on the production. 4/10 on the acting. Barber's performance was passable. But the whole piece hinged on the "Gather your armies" line and I just didn't buy the performer's passion.
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Bruce Webb
June 15, 2010 11:39 AM in reply to TJ21
Give him a break. The performer was 200 years dead and speaking through wooden teeth. It is hard to give your best stuff under those circumstances.
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Jaycal
June 14, 2010 1:52 PM
Incredible! He probably spent less that $500 on the production, hasn't actually released the ad, but it still going to get millions worth of free promotion for a rambling incoherent message.
Gotta' love modern media.
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barrelhse
June 14, 2010 2:01 PM
Washington at Valley Forge
Freezin' cold when up spoke George
He said Vo-do-dee-oh
Vo-do-dee-oh-doh
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bentbill
June 14, 2010 3:18 PM
I'm so glad he really thought this one through. I bet he will make a really great congressman, writing laws etc. Shows lots of rage and very sloppy thinking. Seems pretty standard for the tea bag brigade.
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Hornswaggle
June 14, 2010 3:29 PM
WTF is this:
"If they're true we should absolutely take action. I'm just taking metaphorically here."
Is he advocating metaphorical action?
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Lestatdelc
June 14, 2010 3:36 PM in reply to Hornswaggle
re: metaphorical action, it's kinda like interpretive dance I think.
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tiowally
June 14, 2010 5:30 PM in reply to Lestatdelc
It's very much like interpretive dance but 98% more props.
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Lestatdelc
June 14, 2010 6:30 PM in reply to tiowally
Those are allegorical props of course, yes?
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jimson
June 14, 2010 4:20 PM
1. The phrase "gather your armies" plus the obvious sinister tone in which it is delivered just shouts "violence", no matter how he denies it (I'm reminded of William Macy saying "I'm cooperating!" in Fargo, when he clearly wasn't cooperating.)
2. it doesn't matter what the founding fathers intended, they are dead, they didn't plan on computers or nuclear weapons or over-population, they DID plan on the constitution being re-written at some point, they DID enable the constitution to be modified with amendments. I'm not saying the constitution is moot, I'm saying the founding fathers are moot; we have to live in the 21st century, not them. They were not saints, just mortal men with foibles and disagreements; stop treating America like some God-anointed-magical-holy-land, it's just another piece of land with a name attached, and the constitution is just a set of rules we agree to use, we can change them if we want, the way the NFL brought in the forward pass or the MLB brought in the DH. If the tea-partiers can come up with a realistic and fair way to fund the government other than income tax I'll listen, but I will take it with a pinch of salt knowing that the mass of them are just angry and selfish.
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slb
June 15, 2010 3:51 AM in reply to jimson
Well said.
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Waltz
June 14, 2010 4:21 PM
"Barber stood by the ad's message -- namely that the men who took up arms against the British government in the 18th century would be stirred to do the same thing again by federal policies like the income tax"
Which is crap, because they didn't. He should study US History.
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KYshiner
June 14, 2010 6:14 PM
Wow, talk about a reach to win over the Tea Baggers! Whew!
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June 14, 2010 6:58 PM
“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” - Sinclair Lewis
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slb
June 15, 2010 4:01 AM in reply to Sean
Maybe that explains why I instinctively recoiled at all of the belligerant flag-waving that followed 9/11. Most of the people I knew at the time regarded me as a bad American because I didn't indulge in patriotic displays.
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Signalman
June 15, 2010 5:15 PM in reply to slb
Anyone who *really* respected the flag wouldn't put one up on their car or truck and then let it get rained on in a parking lot. Or leave it flying outside at night without illumination. Or drive down the freeway at 75 MPH and shred the crap out of it and then keep driving around with a shredded US flag standing in the bed of their truck (as I saw on more than one pickup in Northern Virginia shortly after 9/11.
There's a protocol one follows to fly the flag properly, kids. And this disabled Army vet sees an awful lot of people who don't seem to know about that.
If you can't fly it properly, then don't fly it at all. That'd be more respectful than doing that other garbage.
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SchoolyT
June 16, 2010 10:44 AM in reply to slb
The sense of nationalism that followed 9/11 was inspiring and at the same time frightening. The same motivations that bring together a society against a common enemy can also be harnessed to carry out sinister deeds with (un)intended consequences. See Germany circa late 1920's - 1930's. And, no, that isn't a Godwin's Law - it is an appropriate reference, IMHO.
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Sniffit
June 15, 2010 12:15 PM in reply to Sean
It's a nice quote and all, and I do like it, but that's pretty much how fascism comes to any country...by definition.
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June 14, 2010 9:06 PM
What does he mean "Without Representation?" Oh, I guess if you don't vote, your not represented. This is where it has to STOP.
This is exactly how Timothy McVeigh got started. Don't we have enough of a problem with a giant oil spill, lets come together and work to fix our problems. We are all brothers and sisters in this country, even if some of us should be institutionalized.
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XXXOOOXXX
June 14, 2010 11:33 PM
Not a bad preview. Does the movie have a release date?
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bluestatedon
June 15, 2010 12:00 AM
"the mass of them are just angry and selfish."
I might be able to handle angry and selfish if it wasn't also combined with ignorant and stupid. That's as toxic a brew of human failings as you're likely to have.
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crazycarnypoptart
June 15, 2010 12:55 AM
the funniest thing is he won't win the primary. The majority of the candidates with over the top messages lost so far in the primaries.
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smarish
June 15, 2010 8:53 AM
This guy must be taking his cue from Nancy Raygun. Remember her? Used to consult the astrology charts so she could tell Ronnie how to do his job?
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June 15, 2010 10:23 AM
I approve of this message!
http://zeromod.com
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June 15, 2010 10:24 AM
As someone who lives in Alabama, let me assure you that we're not all backwoods morons like this guy. However, I'm sure this commercial will appeal to plenty of people here.
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tiggytow
June 15, 2010 10:58 AM
Makes sense to me dude, the guy does raise some good points.
Lou
www.anonymity.au.tc
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Mastersidious
June 15, 2010 11:42 AM
Guy's an idiot. Washington was the Bill Gates of 'small business' in 1775. The revolution wasn't started over the Tea Tax, it was because the colonies had ZERO representation in British Parliament...not because they were just too dopey to win majority elections every year.
I'm sick of these faggot Conservatives trying to repaint history to make themselves out to be so humble. Why not have Jesus sitting at the table with you. Samuel Adams wouldn't piss on this guy's face if it was on fire.
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Sniffit
June 15, 2010 11:49 AM
There's no "wrong way to take it." He's quite literally and inexcusably calling for armed revolution because conservatives don't currently control the entire country and all aspects of American life. You see, those silly sociologists had to go and publish studies showing that white people will be merely one among many in a plurality in a couple decades...then those silly liberals had to go and elect a black man with massive voter turnout, almost all black people voting for him and huge numbers of the younger generations voting for him and showing him their support. This is WAR to conservatives. Not only did science warn them that this country, which they think is supposed to be a "white peoples' country," won't be, but then reality had to go and shove it right up their over-clenched little assholes by proving they can no longer and will never again be able to simple overwhelm the votes of minorities with shear numbers. You wanna know why they feel like they need to "take their country back" and do it violently if necessary? Look around...it's all the brown.
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Ugg the Repug
June 15, 2010 12:36 PM
If Ugg do ad hitting him on head with hammer, that mean Ugg probably break hammer. Nothing can be done 'bout that. Har har har.
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Mastersidious
June 15, 2010 12:53 PM
This is completely a result of Conservatives having absolutely no understanding of 'Revolution' outside of what they learned in 5th-grade Social Studies.
Americans (on both sides of the aisle) are too lazy and satiated with consumption (even if it's somewhat stymied at the moment by economic down-turn) to revolt against anything other than by blogging and showing up to wave flags at/with the loudest angry-white-man at the scheduled event.
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bill d berger
June 15, 2010 1:06 PM
Wow, the leftards here sure have a deep relationship with a basic disconnect with reality.
Now, let me say for my proof, look at the polls and the Kenyans terrible numbers.
Now, go ahead and say "it aint so" or use the losers last argument and attack the poster.
Either way, libturds here prove what losers they are and their failed Socialist Marxist ideology is all about.
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dswx
June 28, 2010 11:20 AM in reply to bill d berger
Wow, what amazing ignorance you are flaunting.
A. "Leftards". Been listening to ignorant right-wing talk radio again, sport?
B. "Proof". Your proof is all blatant lies. The polls? They show President Obama's approval ratings have been 45-50 percent for many months.
C. "Kenyan"? Who's a Kenyan? And why the non-sequitor? We are talking about the United States, sport. Unless you are an anti-American, hateful, ignorant Teabagger in which case the Taliban must love you.
D. Try to learn the fundamental difference between "facts", "proof", "wishes" and "opinion". You have no clue. But thanks for showing everyone how ignorant you are. LOL! There are few people in this country that can be bigger "losers" than you. You do not even know what "socialist" means! Run along to your anti-American, racist Teabagger meeting now.
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Leftflank
June 15, 2010 3:09 PM
We actually have been gathering their armies, one by one. They play GI Joe & we arrest them. Huttatree ring any bells?
An Alabama teapartier--it doesn't get much lower.
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hquain
July 14, 2010 8:18 AM
The main question to be mooted in the fall election, evidently, is whether this country will die of stupidity sooner rather than later.
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Jane in NY
July 14, 2010 2:02 PM
Ummm...wasn't the Revolution more about taxation without representation?
And isn't Mr. Barber running for office?
So...if he is running for office, doesn't that mean he acknowledges that we are represented in government?
Soo...ummm....yeah...
The entire commercial is phony. He is raising the flag of anti-IRS sentiment hoping to buy votes from fools who believe his election will add some coin to their purses.
As if this wad could ever make a meaningful contribution to governance.
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Jane in NY
July 14, 2010 2:09 PM
Ummm...wasn't the Revolution more about taxation without representation?
And isn't Mr. Barber running for office?
So...if he is running for office, doesn't that mean he acknowledges that we are represented in government?
Soo...ummm....yeah...
The entire commercial is phony. He is raising the flag of anti-IRS sentiment hoping to buy votes from fools who believe his election will add some coin to their purses.
As if this wad could ever make a meaningful contribution to governance.
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