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Boehner: Government--i.e. Taxpayers--Should Help Pay For Oil Spill


House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH)

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Congressional Democrats and the White House are toying with different ways to force BP to cover the costs of damages from the Gulf oil spill. But they face stiff opposition from industry...and it seems leading Republicans. In response to a question from TPMDC, House Minority Leader John Boehner said he believes taxpayers should help pick up the tab for the clean up.

"I think the people responsible in the oil spill--BP and the federal government--should take full responsibility for what's happening there," Boehner said at his weekly press conference this morning.

Boehner's statement followed comments last Friday by US Chamber of Commerce CEO Tom Donohue who said he opposes efforts to stick BP, a member of the Chamber, with the bill. "It is generally not the practice of this country to change the laws after the game," he said. "Everybody is going to contribute to this clean up. We are all going to have to do it. We are going to have to get the money from the government and from the companies and we will figure out a way to do that."

So today I asked Boehner, "Do you agree with Tom Donohue of the Chamber that the government and taxpayers should pitch in to clean up the oil spill?" The shorter answer is yes.

The Chamber is extremely influential in Republican politics, so on that level it's not particularly surprising that Boehner has Donohue's back on this one. But the politics of asking the federal government (i.e. taxpayers) to help cover the multi-billion dollar cleanup and rescue efforts are deadly. Look for Democrats to jump all over this one.

Late update: Boehner spokesman Michael Steel emails to say "Boehner made a general statement about who is responsible for the spill, and the federal government oversight was clearly lacking, but he has said repeatedly that BP is responsible for the cost of the cleanup."

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June 10, 2010 11:26 AM   

But there's no difference between Republicans & Democrats, right?

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June 10, 2010 12:32 PM    in reply to FreeRider

Oh, big difference. Repugs own press. So, Repugs secret meet with oil to grease regs and press ignore. Press lazy. More better blame black man in White House. Americans too stupid, too racist to question. Har har har.

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June 10, 2010 2:09 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

No, the difference is the Democrats pretend they're not owned by the multinational corporations, the Republicans occasionally admit it.

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June 10, 2010 2:30 PM    in reply to Riesz Fischer

So you not Repug or Demwit? Ugg tTell secret. Ugg really just hunt gather person. It way Skygod make me. You too. More so soon. Har har har.

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June 10, 2010 3:25 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

I hope you're wrong, Ugg. But you're not gonna scare me into voting for any more Rats. I've had it with those spineless jellyfish.

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June 10, 2010 3:37 PM    in reply to Riesz Fischer

Har. Vote? Just hunt gather live. Let empire die. Har har har.

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June 10, 2010 5:01 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

YOU MUST BE SMOKING SOMETHING. REPUBLICANS DO NOT OWN THE PRESS. DEMOCRATS DO. THE ONLY PRESS REPRESENTIG A CENTER POINT OF VIEW IS FOX NEWS AND MAYBE CNN. EVERYTHING ELSE IS VERY HIGHLY SLANTED IN FAVOR OF DEMS. MAYBE IF YOU READ A FEW MORE CONSERVATIVE PUBLICATIONS OR WATCHED MORE CONSERVATIVE (NOT HARD RIGHT) NEWS YOU'D GET A BETTER IDEA OF THE TRUTH.

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June 11, 2010 12:20 AM    in reply to Imdagny

Man you're stupid. First you say that only Fox and CNN are objective, and then you tell us to read more conservative news. So which one is it? Be centrist or be conservative? We already know the answer so you don't have to respond to that question. The thing that I don't get about you ideologues is how insulated you are from reality. The press really can't be liberal because they have to be profitable and most are owned by big corporations so they naturally lean left. Even MSNBC isn't as left leaning as you guys like to think of it as because they have plenty of contributors who are hard right.

I know you won't understand what I'm saying because I DON'T TYPE IN ALL CAPS LIKE YOUR DUMBASS, but I felt that I needed to let you know.

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June 10, 2010 12:41 PM    in reply to FreeRider

Oh...also Repugs get votes from peoples who think all this oil spewing into Gulf come from dinosaurs rotted from 6,000 years ago. Har har har. And you call me knuckledragger. Har har har. Bye bye Gulf. Bye bye America. You not evolve all that much. Har har har.

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June 10, 2010 12:44 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

Political satire...so easy a caveman can do it?

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June 10, 2010 12:48 PM    in reply to Sniffit

Or a Muppet. Har har har.

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June 10, 2010 1:49 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

And yet is seems to always elude the grasp of conservatives. Does anybody fondly remember the thigh-slapping comedy available on The 1/2 hour News Hour? Uh-hyuck! Good Stuff!

The GOOD NEWS! is that Kelsey Grammer himself, will be introducing us to the ironically named, RightNetwork.

Apparently the only "satire" "conservatives" understand is when a REPUBLICAN calls someone a F*ck'n retard. If a Democrat dares use such a term, they must be HANGED! Only Republics can understand the nuance and rich context of such a dangerous, cruel claim. Of course, in proper hands, it's SATIRE!

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June 10, 2010 10:40 PM    in reply to KeithL

Well yeah.

After all, blacks can use the N word and gays can use the Q word.

Similarly, conservatives can use the R word.

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June 10, 2010 2:06 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

ugg very funny.

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June 10, 2010 2:20 PM    in reply to whataretheysmoking

Ugg thank whatsmoke. Call me Ug for short. Har har har.

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June 10, 2010 11:31 AM   

So, Government money is ok to be used to bailout BP but not GM?

I guess BP isnt unionized, so that makes them ok.

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June 10, 2010 11:40 AM    in reply to fsudirectory

Why would BP unionize? For better health insurance? Oh wait..England has universal coverage which kills buisness so badly BP can make 6 billion a quarter.

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June 10, 2010 12:00 PM    in reply to _jonny_5_

Perhaps government SHOULD help pay for the clean-up. The British government, that is.

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June 10, 2010 12:19 PM    in reply to _jonny_5_

I'd bet real money BP has more employees in the US than in the UK. For example BP has 4 1/2 refineries in the US (only one non-union) vs 0 in the UK.

BP has screwed up plenty, but spouting uninformed stuff about the company doesn't help anybody's case.

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June 10, 2010 12:39 PM    in reply to opt

While BP may in fact have moe employees in the US than England, I doubt that there are more US employees than outside of the US. Note: we get a plurality of our oil from Canada(universal coverage) are we silly enough to think BP doen't have a huge presence there?

Since most countries have some form of universal coverage my point is valid since buisness does not grind to a halt once a country has universal coverage.

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June 10, 2010 1:19 PM    in reply to _jonny_5_

About 40% of BP's worldwide business is in the US. Remember that BP bought/merged with Amoco and ARCO in the late 90s. Now the top management is almost all UK, unfortunately.

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June 10, 2010 2:58 PM    in reply to _jonny_5_

"While BP may in fact have moe employees in the US than England,..."

I think you've unwittingly put your finger on it.

BP appears to have many Moe employees in the US, plus lots of Curlies and Larries too.

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June 10, 2010 2:10 PM    in reply to fsudirectory

actually tawd palin held a BP union job in alaska. you betcha. also. but sarah hates unions and that socialised healthcare she used to cross over to canada to get.

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June 10, 2010 11:32 AM   

It's unbelievable that this can't be trumpted around the airwaves for the blunder it is. The American public is exhausted from bailing out Wall Street and Detroit. BP clears $67 million a day, and they have their hand out? How could The Orange Boner have teed up a better issue? If only there was a Democratic Echo Chamber...

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June 10, 2010 11:46 AM    in reply to Roma Victors

shouldn't that be the "GREAT" Orange Boner?

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June 10, 2010 12:35 PM    in reply to Roma Victors

As far as I can tell, BP does not have its hand out. I think this is just another Boner.

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June 10, 2010 1:28 PM    in reply to davcbr

Also, the idea of bailing out BP is in itself just plain stupid.
But the notion of breaking BP is just as stupid. People need to ask themselves which would be the better way to get compensated for the spill:
1. Clamp down on BP and attach assets in this country such as the pipeline, leases, etc
OR
2. Allow the company to continue its very profitable business and collect money for years.
Which do you think will actually be better?

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June 10, 2010 1:36 PM    in reply to davcbr

boner is the hand-puppet; bp is making his lips move-but don't push the visual metaphor too far-it gets really gnarly.

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June 10, 2010 3:01 PM    in reply to Roma Victors

I agree that this ought to get very wide play. Can't think of a better poster child for the worst kind of corporate welfare.

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June 10, 2010 11:34 AM   

I'm sure we'll soon see the TEA people come out against this suggestion. Rallys on the Capitol? CNN following their buses state to state?

Right?

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June 10, 2010 12:05 PM    in reply to It's Pat

Har har har har har har har. You funny walksupright person. Good one. Har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har.

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June 10, 2010 11:39 AM   

Look for Democrats to jump all over this one.

Given the Dems' reputation for working the media, I'll be waiting with bated breath.

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June 10, 2010 11:42 AM   

What's this guy smokin'?? BP was negligent (if news reports are accurate), MMS was staffed by the Repubs with drug and sex addicts who weren't interested in oversight (except maybe porn) and this bozo wants us to pay for the clean up. I'm usually pretty moderate, but this may be a time with Sec. Reich is right. Put BP in receivership until this thing is finished.

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June 10, 2010 12:00 PM    in reply to Ugot2bkidnme

The same stuff people who bailed out Wall Street smoked.

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June 10, 2010 12:25 PM    in reply to Lalo35adm

Right. Excellent analogy. Perfect really, because clearly if the federal government won't pick up the cleanup tab for BP, there's a clear and present danger that the entire global economy will collapse into a Second Great Depression.

Oh wait,never mind. Now I get it. Just as with BP now, there was no compelling reason potentially affecting every citizen in the nation whatsoever to bail out Wall Street and GM. Gotcha.

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June 10, 2010 12:33 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Government screwed up with the oversight. It should own up and fix its part of the clean up as a result.

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June 10, 2010 12:36 PM    in reply to Lalo35adm

Government screwed up with oversight of the banks, too. Yet, you opposed bailing out the banks.

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June 10, 2010 12:45 PM    in reply to Lalo35adm

Agreed. Gov't under Bush and his cronies certainly dropped the ball on oversight.

All you right-winder, deregulating nut-jobs should send a check or money order to:

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500

Thank you.

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June 10, 2010 1:06 PM    in reply to mrCurmudgeon

you don't understand: lalo, boner, and donahue think it should be cleaned up with TAXPAYER'S MONEY.

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June 10, 2010 1:13 PM    in reply to benjoya

i know this is obvious, but it can't be said enough. maybe even national dems might say such a thing. sigh, a guy can dream.

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June 10, 2010 1:13 PM    in reply to Lalo35adm

Oh, so -- because BP completely corrupted the MMS in order to wiggle out of compliance with the regulations, that means that they're not responsible for the consequences of not following those regulations?

Interesting set of values you "conservatives" have.

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June 10, 2010 1:20 PM    in reply to Lalo35adm

Can you do me a favor and shove John Boehner up your ass sideways? Just move your head a little to the right and I'm sure it'll be a good fit.

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June 10, 2010 1:35 PM    in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe

Or better yet that fucking nose of his.

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June 10, 2010 2:58 PM    in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe

You hardass person. Ugg like. Fuck 'em. Har har har.

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June 10, 2010 1:38 PM    in reply to Lalo35adm

You say nothing about Cheney secret meet with oil slimers. Why?

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June 10, 2010 2:01 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

Selective memories. Morning/afternoon Ugg - (I know I can call you Ug for short. har har har har.

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June 10, 2010 2:02 PM    in reply to chameleon

You Chamee, can call me Uggy Wuggy. Wink wink wink.

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June 10, 2010 2:49 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

I am so honored - wink wink back to you - you cute thing.

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June 10, 2010 4:59 PM    in reply to chameleon

Please, get a cave you two!

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June 10, 2010 5:21 PM    in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe

Only if you'll join us!!!! LMAO!!

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June 10, 2010 6:34 PM    in reply to chameleon

Har har har. Menage a boinky.

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June 10, 2010 6:46 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

omg... rotflmao!! you are a breath of fresh air in this place.

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June 10, 2010 6:52 PM    in reply to chameleon

Ugg need breath of whatever Marinus smoking. Har har.

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June 10, 2010 7:00 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

So he's a racist now too. I suspected as much. No one could diss someone as much if he weren't. "Tan Man". WTF???

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June 10, 2010 7:01 PM    in reply to chameleon

Oops wrong place. Damnit TPM

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June 10, 2010 7:20 PM    in reply to chameleon

get it straight.

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June 10, 2010 11:38 PM    in reply to Cornelius

STFU troll.

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June 10, 2010 7:05 PM    in reply to chameleon

Ugg feelings hurt. Boinky make better. Go to cave now?

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June 10, 2010 7:09 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

Oh no no no. That wasn't meant for you. Wrong story even. Damn TPM now they've got Ugg mad at me.

Ugg - I think its the drink Marinus prefers. I believe he mentioned Stoli on the rocks out of the freezer - that's how I like it too - but I'm a Grey Goose gal.

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June 10, 2010 7:21 PM    in reply to chameleon

Ug kid Chamee.

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June 10, 2010 8:00 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

I know and I love it. You are very funny and the all-time cutest caveman.

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June 10, 2010 11:26 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

Ugg that's your solution for everything--boinky, boinky. You need a cave girl for that! Ugg got cave girl?

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June 11, 2010 9:51 AM    in reply to larsvanness

Boinky not only solution. For Boehner, Ugg think hammer work better.

p.s. Ugg just need girl. Cave optional.

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June 11, 2010 10:30 AM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

Well you can't have chammy 'cause I allready claimed her for my own here (she just don't know it yet).

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June 11, 2010 11:01 AM    in reply to larsvanness

Har har har. Ugg once live with girl, but she wouldn't tell me where. Har har har.

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June 11, 2010 11:36 AM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

LOL...can't stop laughing here. Thank you so much for contributing so many gems.

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June 11, 2010 12:06 PM    in reply to larsvanness

I'm blushing!!!!! Believe it or not!!!

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June 10, 2010 5:12 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

Good point. I say we have Cheney, Bush & Co. help pay for the clean-up out-of-pocket, since they're responsible for the deregulation. =D

Btw, Ugg rocks CyberDuckie's world!

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June 10, 2010 1:53 PM    in reply to Lalo35adm

I agree, let's fix the oversight.

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June 10, 2010 4:53 PM    in reply to Lalo35adm

Republicans are constantly arguing for deregulation and against government oversight.

And now you're arguing that government should pay for the clean up because of their lack of regulation and failure in oversight?

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June 10, 2010 1:50 PM    in reply to Lalo35adm

I think by "smoked" you mean "studied." And what they studied was economics.

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June 10, 2010 4:38 PM    in reply to hunter

No, there was nothing to study. They were simply asked a rhetorical question by Wall Street: who's your daddy?

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June 10, 2010 11:45 AM   

Right, Americans can pay for big buisness' mistakes but trying to stimulate the economy is fascist communism.

If Logic played into the Tebaggers politcal agenda, this would have been a terrible thing for Boner to say, but alas...

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June 10, 2010 11:45 AM   

I think I'll wait and see how the 'lamestream' media jumps all over this.
Waiting
waiting
waiting
etc, etc,etc

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June 10, 2010 11:45 AM   

i suggest we start with boehners paycheck for the rest of the year, and anybody else who thinks we should assists bp. this from the man who was against assisting american owned gm. go figure. whitney was right-crack is whack!

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June 10, 2010 12:07 PM    in reply to Denise

Somebody start a petition, we'll all sign and then have some one run around after the candidates and see who signs and who doesn't.

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June 10, 2010 11:48 AM   

Dems should frame it as "Republicans want to bail out BP"

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June 10, 2010 1:14 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

perfect

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June 10, 2010 11:48 AM   

The small guv'mint Republicans need billions in taxpayer funds to bail out a British firm that ruined American waters.

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June 10, 2010 11:49 AM   

This is great logic - regulation failed, therefore government should pay for the cleanup. Does this mean Boner now supports HCR, since regulation has failed to produce affordable care or reign in insurer's perpetual dickishness (see recission, etc)?

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June 10, 2010 11:52 AM   

The goverment needs to stay out of the way.
Unless I make a mess of things.
The the government needs to come in and clean up after me.

And while you're at it, KEEP THE GOVERMENT AWAY FROM MY MEDICARE.
And cut my taxes.

How's this for starters,
"Today, John Boehner said he wants to raise your taxes to clean up the mess made by British Petroleum. Do you want to give John Boehner and BP more of your paycheck?"

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June 10, 2010 2:08 PM    in reply to mcrose68

keep the gummint away from enforcing safety, but use the gummint to legislate what people do in their bedrooms. that's republican and rand paulian "logic".

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June 10, 2010 11:53 AM   

Chamber of Commerce wants to raise your taxes to protect British Pretroleum's profits. Are you ok with that?

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June 10, 2010 11:53 AM   

So asking taxpayers to spread around the cost of health care is bringing us one step closer to the gulag, but it's OK to make taxpayers pay to clean up BP/Halliburton/Transocean's mess? Republicans: Please articulate a theory of government/view of social contract that would make sense of this. Thank you.

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June 10, 2010 1:54 PM    in reply to Beautiful Mind of Barbara Bush

I'm not a Republican, but here's my grasp of the Republican's social contract:

- Giving government money to poor and/or brown and/or unionized people: bad.
- Giving government money to white people, rich people and corporate donors: good.

Thus, we can spend a trillion dollars on welfare for Big Oil and the military-industrial complex (see the Iraq war), but spending roughly the same amount on HCR isn't OK.

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June 10, 2010 2:29 PM    in reply to Matt Jones

That's about it. Tax cuts for rich people solve every problem.

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June 10, 2010 11:54 AM   

Lets see we as U.S. citizens can not have state paid healthcare, state paid extension on unemployment, state paid cobra so people don’t loose their company paid healthcare, state paid bailout for U.S. industries which supply U.S. citizens with jobs, but we can have state paid bailout of a foreign company. Sounds about right for the Republican/Tea Baggie/ Compassionate Conservative Party.

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June 10, 2010 11:55 AM   

Hey...Hey... You morons wined and loobied congress to do away with the regulations that were set to prevent this... You got what you wanted. Now pay the piper.

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June 10, 2010 1:12 PM    in reply to Ben Judea

Can we fix it so that only Palin/Boehner/Cheney/Bush have to pay them? Can we set a tax on oil only for republicans who support this assholic position?

Have Palin down there cleaning dying birds. Nice photo op for the Quitter. Maybe she can guzzle a gallon or two while she's at it.

This angers me beyond belief.

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June 10, 2010 11:55 AM   

!@#**@*!*!**!*##$$$$!!

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June 10, 2010 11:56 AM   

Take it for a vote and every single Republican who votes for the government to pick up the tab will LOSE their seat come November.

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June 10, 2010 11:58 AM    in reply to Maritza

I agree - Pelosi should put this to a vote on the House floor.

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June 10, 2010 11:57 AM   

Are you fucking kidding me, Sunkist Face?

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June 10, 2010 11:59 AM   

I guess I shouldn't be stunned by this, but unfortunately thats not the case. This is the same party that wanted to "Take Their Country Back" from the black man in office?? And now what? Give it back to Britain?

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June 10, 2010 12:24 PM    in reply to vasu

"Give [the country] back to Britain?"

There's the soundbite.

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June 10, 2010 12:00 PM   

We need to have congress pass a law which states something such as...
"Whenever Congress suggests taxpayers pay for any project, the congressman sponsoring the bill must NAME the taxpayers who will be required to pay, rather than the all inclusive but inappropriate GOVERNMENT."

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June 10, 2010 12:04 PM   

Go to Facebook, friend the US CoC, and ask them why they support corporate socialism for BP.

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June 10, 2010 12:07 PM   

The cognitive dissonance, it burnses us.

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June 10, 2010 12:10 PM   

Sorry, I overslept. What did Tan Man say? Oh, and BTW, I was wondering, does any one know if the President called Tony Hayward yet? Can't find it anywhere.

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June 10, 2010 3:04 PM    in reply to Cornelius

Whine, Bitch, Complain.YAWN

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June 10, 2010 4:32 PM    in reply to Hobbes83

You and Chammy, what a pair.

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June 10, 2010 6:59 PM    in reply to Hobbes83

So he's a racist now too. I suspected as much. No one could diss someone as much if he weren't. "Tan Man". WTF???

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June 10, 2010 12:11 PM   

If the Dems do not jump all over Boehner & Donohue & the Republicks, then they truly do deserve to lose a lot more this November than we think they will.

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June 10, 2010 12:11 PM   

Wasn't this asshole just railing about deficit spending?

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June 10, 2010 12:11 PM   

How about any politician who took oil company lobbying money coughing it up for starters? For that matter how about any lobbying firm who made money shilling for oil companies chipping in? Anyone who voted to put Nero and Caligula in charge of the Minerals and Mining Service pony up? Those politicians who stripped the government of it's oversight capabilities and let the extractive industries police themselves ought to fork over their ill gotten gains and quit talking about bankrupting our government and we taxpayers further.

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June 10, 2010 12:15 PM   

maybe Boehner should donate all the BP money he procured over the years to a fund for Gulf residents (really the Dems who got the money should propose this)

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00060103&cycle=2008

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June 10, 2010 5:11 PM    in reply to swaidely

CHECK YOUR FACTS. ANOTHER SLANTED INFO SOURCE. CNN SAYS DIFFERENTLY, SO TAKE A LOOK AT THE FOLLOWING LINK:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/05/bp.lobbying/index.html

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June 11, 2010 12:25 AM    in reply to Imdagny

Okay stupid, do you realize how small of an amount $71K is when it comes to presidential elections? Please take your bullshit to another website where people lack critical thinking.

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June 10, 2010 12:15 PM   

Can the barbarians turn off the lights when they leave the smoking wreckage on the shining hill?

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June 10, 2010 12:51 PM    in reply to sean

Keep it up. Roaches will have to turn off lights. Har har har.

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June 10, 2010 12:18 PM   

Let's see, Repubs say the government should in provide support to BP for the clean up. But government should not provide support for health care for its citizens.

Wow.

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June 10, 2010 12:23 PM   

Naturally he means all the tax-payers earning over $500.000 who will be delighted to pick up the check.

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June 10, 2010 12:27 PM   

The Republicans always have been the Dems best weapon
Ask Harry Reid

Gotta love it

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June 10, 2010 12:29 PM   

What's their justification? BP has maintained that they can afford the clean-up.

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June 10, 2010 12:30 PM   

I think the GOP should stop spending their money at the lesbian bondage theme clubs, and bail out their own Patron.

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June 10, 2010 12:31 PM   

Jesus Christ. Why doesn't he just ditch the suit in favor of a leather harness with a leash and a sign around his neck that says "I'm Big Oil's Bitch and so is the Rest of my Party?"

I'm sure the DNC communications office will be along anytime now with a zippy press release and Zing! one jab and mission accomplished so no need at all to relentlessly beat on them with "Republicans want the taxpayers to pay to clean up BP's mess! Wonder why?" commercials until November.

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June 10, 2010 12:32 PM   

Keep drilling offshore, and accidents will keep happening. And apart from the environmental and economic cost - workers will be injured and killed. It is, sooner or later, inevitable.

Which means the board that approves offshore drilling permits is, wait for it - a death panel.

Ask Caribou Barbie how she feels about that.

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June 10, 2010 1:11 PM    in reply to Ron Jeremy

This was no accident as Rachel Maddow says. It was a calculated risk to go as cheaply as possible, ignoring their own safety procedures let alone government regulations and common sense and they lost their gamble. And took the Gulf Coast and maybe more down with them.

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June 10, 2010 1:25 PM    in reply to markg8

Rachel Maddow has had some of the best overall coverage and made some of the best editorial remarks across the media spectrum. I hope she keeps calling BP on the BS and showing the country what kind of slime they really are.

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June 10, 2010 12:36 PM   

and watch as mr hopey changey -- in his endless quest for bipartisanship -- agrees to a 50/50 split. because, afterall, he's publicly stated how he's responsible.

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June 10, 2010 12:43 PM   

I totally agree with the Minority Leader, but only after every assest that BP has is expended on this disaster. Then, when they are bankrupt and disolved, if more is needed the country will step up. It wouldn't hurt to have the government require a mandatory fund be set up with all of the oil companies contributing if they want to continue ANY offshore drilling ever again.

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June 10, 2010 1:20 PM    in reply to xargaw

I'd vote for that!

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June 10, 2010 1:54 PM    in reply to xargaw

And actually, there is a fund -- there's an 8 cents/barrel tax on oil that goes to the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund. My guess, after seeing the tremendous consequences of this spill, is that the fund could probably stand to be bigger, though.

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June 10, 2010 2:10 PM    in reply to xargaw

What happens when BP's stock value drops low enough for Exxon or Shell to gobble them up for their drilling rights, refineries and retail outlets and then sucks them dry before spinning off the husk with no capital? Hate to be cynical and maybe some smart lawyer - I'm looking at you NC Steve - can tell me this scenario is impossible but sadly these days I doubt it is.

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June 10, 2010 12:43 PM   

But ... I thought I remembered hearing about a law passed after the Exxon Valdez disaster that limits the liability of the responsible oil company to $75M? So, if that's the law, it doesn't matter what the Big Boner, or anybody else, says now. It makes me wonder why he would even speak up with such an unpopular position. Just STFU and wait for the courts to throw out any damages above the cap.

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June 10, 2010 1:48 PM    in reply to Metzengerstein

No. For one thing, that limit is only for economic damages, it doesn't include state and federal cleanup costs. More importantly, though, the cap does not apply if BP or any of its contractors acted wtih gross negligence, or violated federal saftey laws or regulations.

Over and above that $74 million cap, damages can be paid out of the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund that the government maintains, and which is paid for out of a tax assessed on each barrel of oil.

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June 10, 2010 1:50 PM    in reply to slb

Fumble-fingers -- I meant a $75 million cap, of course. A million here, a million there...

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June 10, 2010 12:47 PM   

This is a wholly corporate disaster, aided considerably by the tens of millions that Big Oil and other business interests pour into American elections each year. BP makes tens of millions of dollars in profits every day and has hundreds of billions in assets. They must be appropriated by the government.

http://www.sunstateactivist.org/campaigncorner/

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June 10, 2010 12:53 PM   

Privatize profits, socialize costs. The republican way.

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June 10, 2010 2:02 PM    in reply to sherifffruitfly

Admit nothing, deny everything, demand proof, and shift blame.

That's how addicts do it.

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June 10, 2010 2:39 PM    in reply to sherifffruitfly

IT IS THE RETHUGLICAN WAY! They are complete amoral greedy assholes who would sell their mothers to whorehouses if they could make a buck from them. They have ZERO sense of social responsibility and a TOTAL sense of personal entitlement. There should be a blood test to diagnose and treat the rethuglican mindset before they destroy the entire planet.

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June 10, 2010 12:57 PM   

Why is the government responsible for the deadly decisions of BP, Halliburton and other oil industry toadies the Bush govt. put into place in regulatory agencies?

Hell no! Make BP pay for this mess.

And while you're at it, Dems, Boehner just handed you an issue that EVERY Democrat in the country can run on - vote for us, or the GOP led Congress will make you pay for BP.

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June 10, 2010 12:59 PM   

these guys are simply unbelievable.. they like to complain about bailouts (which is pure demagoguery anyway, since they happened under Bush and most of them voted for it), but now they want the taxpayers to pay for the worst environmental disaster in the country's history, caused by -- surprise! -- corporate greed and inadequate regulation (like so many other things in this country, like the death of coal miners, collapse of the economy, etc.)

I want to see Republicans running for office say on the stump this fall that their constituents should pay for the clean-up of this disaster...

these guys are nothing but a joke... no other developed country has these right-wing clowns in the pocket of corporate interests (because no other developed country has the corrupt system of financing election campaigns we have in this country..)

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June 10, 2010 1:00 PM   

That's it.

The gloves are off, game on, representatives that are supposed to be by and for the people are sociopathic, economic, and environmental rapists.

Anyone supporting this idea or this man is either obscenely wealthy or insane.

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June 10, 2010 1:04 PM   

I agree with Boner. The government should pay to clean up the spill and then nationalize the oil industry.

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June 10, 2010 1:05 PM   

The Republicans don't care how it looks anymore.

Their base wants them to be bat-shit crazy Obama-haters and corporate whores. So that's what they give them.

What do they have to lose?

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June 10, 2010 1:05 PM   

Me not like Ugg. Me kill Ugg with rock.

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June 10, 2010 1:11 PM    in reply to barnacle

ugg is embodiment of free market. why you commie?

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June 10, 2010 1:36 PM    in reply to barnacle

I beg to differ. Ugg *rocks*. Ugg is this election cycle's Idiotic (of "THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS! FOR HILLARY!!" fame in 2008).

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June 10, 2010 1:46 PM    in reply to barnacle

Ugg not easy kill. Frozen 40,000 years. Still here. Har har har.

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June 10, 2010 1:14 PM   

"Oil company BP's credit default swaps (CDS) widened to levels associated with a "junk" rated company as its shares and bonds all deteriorated sharply in a self-reinforcing move."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6501OR20100601

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June 10, 2010 1:16 PM    in reply to clemenceau

Wrong link, here's the correct one from this morning -

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65921420100610

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June 10, 2010 1:16 PM   

Oil spills happen, both naturally and otherwise. We know this, and we have known this for many years. But we still need to drive our cars to work, and make plastic, and heat our homes. No one is willing to give that up, no matter how many dead manatees make it onto the news. And so any reactionary measures are likely to cause more harm than good. The best we can do is minimize oil spills by imposing rigorous standards of procedure, multiple layers of oversight, and trying to reduce overall consumption of oil as much as possible.

Here’s what we have to gain from getting out of oil (Middle Eastern or otherwise): (1) no more dependence on decadent dictatorships – we can’t really go around preaching peace and freedom when we’re forced to publicly make out with crime lords, opium barons, and people who consider themselves living gods; (2) significantly reduced greenhouse gas pollution; (3) we can stop getting ripped off by OPEC; (4) we can avoid coming tensions with Russia, Canada, and Greenland over access to Arctic oil deposits; (5) the exorbitant prices our citizens pay to meet their daily energy needs will no longer line the pockets of speculators, currency manipulators, and day-traders; (6) we will have incentives to develop new energy technologies, which we can then market to the rest of the world.

How to continue meeting our energy needs without oil is a difficult problem, and the solution is a widespread and gradual switch to nuclear power in as many areas as current technologies allow, with investments in other renewable energy forms as they pertain to various locations (for example, thermal energy for the ring of fire, solar power in the southwest, hydroelectric power for the Mississippi, and wind farms up and down the East Coast). Such a switch could provide jobs and incentives for science and technology training, both of which would have positive residual effects. We should put such a system in place in as minimally-invasive a way as possible: encourage the free market to take up the mantle, pass the torch from federal to state and local governments…

To correct this problem, we don’t necessarily need more regulation, as liberal birdsong calls for, nor do we necessarily need less regulation, as conservative hacks continue to chant, but we could use some smarter regulation with less of a focus on GDP growth and more of a focus on creating a happy, healthy, society. The word “regulate” originally meant “to keep regular”. The Media’s visceral coverage of the oil spill should show Americans that our times and our policies are anything but regular:

http://www.theinductive.com/blog/2010/6/2/coherence.html

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June 10, 2010 1:18 PM   

There's two BPs involved here: the oil company and Boehner's Pockets (or his campaign committees) which I'm sure have been well oiled with funds from this industry.

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June 10, 2010 1:20 PM   

BP Debt and Shares in Self-feeding Downspin

"Oil company BP's credit default swaps (CDS) widened to levels associated with a 'junk' rated company as its shares and bonds all deteriorated sharply in a self-reinforcing move."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65921420100610

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June 10, 2010 1:25 PM   

Pay as you go or more debt?

Seriously, was Boehner for giving aid to Katrina victims or was he against it because they didn't they give him campaign contributions?

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June 10, 2010 1:25 PM   

I think Boner is getting too carried away with Tea Parties. I think he is confused between the concept of the Boston Harbor, Tea Party and thinking its a good idea bailing out BP's Gulf of Mexico, Texas-tea Party.

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June 10, 2010 1:34 PM   

I see. So, the government is partially responsible because it didn't do its job of preventing BP from cutting corners and behaving irresponsibly. Right.

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June 10, 2010 1:35 PM   

the gop is something else aren't they? i can't figure out if they are stupid, they think the american people are stupid or i am lol.

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June 10, 2010 1:38 PM   

He's an idiot.

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June 10, 2010 1:42 PM   

Dear "Representative" Boehner,

You are a fucking moronic orange-skinned corporatist-fellating asshole.

I'm surprised you're not in favor of cleaning the oil off waterfowl by pissing on them.

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June 10, 2010 1:49 PM    in reply to bwindrip

Har har. Ugg impressed. You teach business writing? Har har har.

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June 10, 2010 2:29 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

Vitriole 101 - Economy of Punctuation

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June 10, 2010 2:45 PM    in reply to bwindrip

Ah. Ug like. Ug practice word economy. Har.

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June 10, 2010 2:48 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

I see you're getting a little tight with the g's as well...

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June 10, 2010 2:54 PM    in reply to bwindrip

Har. Call me Ug for short. Har.

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June 10, 2010 2:58 PM    in reply to Ugg the Repug

U funy

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June 10, 2010 3:07 PM    in reply to bwindrip

U2. Har.

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June 10, 2010 1:46 PM   

Maybe Donohue and Boehner are correct. It's the taxpayers' fault because the industry was underregulated and we need to accept our responsibility for allowing this to happen.

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June 10, 2010 1:48 PM   

Quoting Steel's e-mail to Jed Lewison at Kos:

The numbnut from TPM mumbled and Boehner didn’t understand what he was asking.

I don't think Boehner's flack thinks much of Brian or TPM.

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June 10, 2010 1:56 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

I still can't believe that crap from Michael Steel. Boehner continues to act like federal government is somehow separate from the American people - as if "we the people" are different from "they the government". Does Boehner realize that "they" are he and his fellow government officials?! Does he realize that "they" are hired by US (the American people) to represent us and our interests?

Boehner is an idiot. Michael Steel is a jerk.

And I am a proud, patriotic American citizen who's sick and tired of this kind of crap.

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June 10, 2010 2:00 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

You're nothing until you've been called a numbnut by some idiot flak for an even bigger idiot.

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June 10, 2010 1:59 PM   

The key question is: WHICH taxpayers?

Boner and his friends in the GOP want tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans, the pollution-spewing corporations, and companies that ship jobs overseas.

The Democrats want those who have more and pollute more and outsource more to take more responsibility.

That, my friends, is the difference in the 2010 elections.

Vote wisely, my friends.

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June 10, 2010 1:59 PM   

Has Boehner been soaking in oil to achieve that nice orange tone?

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June 10, 2010 3:01 PM    in reply to mikeyrstx

Ahhh...the color and pageantry that is John Boehner

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June 10, 2010 2:02 PM   

I don't think the TPM reporter mumbled... I think Boehner just had BP's tongue in his ear and he couldn't clearly understand the question.

Though i am sure there is video... So let that come out and prove if the TPM reporter mumbled. Also, they will change there tune and soon this will be a "Gotcha Question" like the civil rights question.

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June 10, 2010 2:34 PM   

This here is BS!! Why in the blue fvck should we bail them out too? Do we share in their profits? Don't they go up on gas prices anytime they feel like it? Isn't this a cost of doing business? Make them responsible for the ENTIRE clean-up bill..no loans, no nothing. They made enough in profits over the last few years to be able to afford it.

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June 10, 2010 2:35 PM   

This here is BS!! Why in the blue fvck should we bail them out too? Do we share in their profits? Don't they go up on gas prices anytime they feel like it? Isn't this a cost of doing business? Make them responsible for the ENTIRE clean-up bill..no loans, no nothing. They made enough in profits over the last few years to be able to afford it.

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June 10, 2010 2:36 PM   

This here is BS!! Why in the blue fvck should we bail them out too? Do we share in their profits? Don't they go up on gas prices anytime they feel like it? Isn't this a cost of doing business? Make them responsible for the ENTIRE clean-up bill..no loans, no nothing. They made enough in profits over the last few years to be able to afford it.

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June 10, 2010 3:00 PM    in reply to Donna

U2. Har.

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June 10, 2010 2:47 PM   

And tell me again why the taxpayers should pay for this.......??

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June 10, 2010 3:00 PM   

If Rep. Boehner wants "the government" to take part of the responsibility, then he can just send the bill to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. The American taxpayers are not a bottomless pit of money for Republicans and Democrats to siphon off of when their big money campaign contributors get into a jam. We've already paid more than we should have for oil and gas during the Bush Administration when gasoline shot up to between $3 and $4 a gallon. BP has more money than it knows what to do with. This is THEIR mess. It is THEIR responsibility to clean up. It is THEIR responsibility to pay for the disruptions this leak has caused in the lives and incomes of thousands across multiple states. It is THEIR responsibility to PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES. These conservatives love to talk about things like "personal responsibility." Since their activist buddies on the Roberts court (SCOTUS) love the idea that coporations are just like persons when it comes to making campaign contributions. But when it comes to these corporations acting responsibly they start singing a different tune. Are people that vote for the GOP EVER going to wake up? Or do they just crave being bent over time and again by these plutocrats???

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June 10, 2010 3:06 PM    in reply to jga773

That should have read: "These conservatives love to talk about things like 'personal responsibility.' But when it comes to these corporations acting responsibly they start singing a different tune. Since their activist buddies on the Roberts court (SCOTUS) love the idea that coporations are just like persons when it comes to making campaign contributions, they can go ahead and pay for damages too."

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June 10, 2010 3:24 PM   

Good ol' Agent Orange - he always delivers the crazy.

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June 10, 2010 3:36 PM   

The notion that liability limits are necessary to prevent the monopolization of offshore drilling by large corporations represents deeply flawed thinking. Only companies with sufficient capitalization to cover the costs of potential disasters such as this one should be allowed to drill. Conversely, the companies that do drill should be acutely aware of their responsibilities should accidents of this sort occur, as fear of the consequences of sloppy management would help induce responsible behavior.

Why indeed should the thousands upon thousands of people (hundreds of thousands? milliions?) whose livelihood depends on the environmental quality of the Gulf be subjected to the effects of the catastrophe that BP has caused and have no (or insufficient) recourse for recovering their losses? Does anyone really believe that the US taxpayer should be expected to cover that burden?

This is just another case of 'privatize the gains, socialize the losses' that sees our society subjugated to the greed and power of large corporations.

The situation also puts the lie to the notion promoted by the John Roberts and the conservative block on the Supreme Court that corporations are equivalent to individual citizens in terms of their rights. Their rationale is that the collective body of the investors in the corporation has the same rights of free speech as an individual. If corporations are equivalent to individuals, then if criminal negligence on the part of BP is proven, can we not expect the shareholders to then go to prison?

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June 10, 2010 3:37 PM   

Everybody repeat it with me; privatize profits, socialize costs.

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June 10, 2010 7:16 PM    in reply to Hobbes83

wow. aren't you smart.

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June 10, 2010 7:40 PM    in reply to Cornelius

I'm going to assume from your well articulated response to my post that you have no idea what that means.

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June 10, 2010 3:49 PM   

Here again the Republicans want the American Tax Payer to bail out another industry that rips the American people off at the pump and now with our taxes. Republicans have no problem to spend money and make a bigger deficit if it's for the rich in this country. Anyone that votes Republican really needs to have their heads chopped off.

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June 10, 2010 3:49 PM   

Ok, so let me get this straight a Republican by the name of Boehner, wants to shaft the American tax payer? Yet he opposes sticking BP with the bill. Wow! I bet every stand up comic from here to Timbuktu will get a rise out of that one.
Makes perfect sense to me!

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June 10, 2010 3:54 PM   

WHAT EVERYONE SEEMS TO MISS IS THAT BOENHER'S ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT TAXPAYERS PAYING FOR CLEANUP IS NOT QUOTED. RATHER, THE WRITER OF THIS CORRUPT COLUMN MAKES HIS OWN CONCLUSION. SO MUCH FOR TRUTH IN REPORTING. SAME DEMOCRATIC SPIN!

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June 10, 2010 4:04 PM    in reply to Imdagny

Go AWAY YOU TEA-BAGGED REPUKE...

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June 10, 2010 4:58 PM    in reply to Imdagny

And stop with the cap-lock tirades.

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June 10, 2010 3:58 PM   

This is how Boy-Ner wants to respond to an attack on the U.S by a bloodthirsty, greedy multinational corporation?

No, what needs to be done here is that all major BP executives should be rounded up and arrested for environmental crimes. Then their pathetic company should be placed into receivership, and all profits should be devoted to cleaning up the Gulf for the next 50 years -- because that's how long it's going to take to get any kind of a recovery.

This is a far more devastating attack on U.S. soil than 9/11. A lot fewer people killed but one hell of a lot more devastation to our nation. The BP terrorists are no better than the 9/11 terrorists in my book.

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June 10, 2010 4:15 PM   

According to GOP and Boehner, taxpayers should help BP and not the struggling homeowners who are under water or small business who cannot get any loans.

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June 10, 2010 4:17 PM   

UNFORTUNATELY MANY DEMOCRATS INCLUDING OBAMA DO NOT REFRAIN FROM USING IMPOLITE AND EXTREMELY OBNOXIOUS LANGUAGE, A TRADEMARK OF EITHER POORLY EDUCATED, OR SOUNDLY UNION LABORERS, OR YOUNG IDIOTS WHO HAVEN'T LEARNED THE PROPER WAY TO DISCUSS THINGS. YOU WILL NOT EARN INTELLECTUAL RESPECT WITH STUPID AND DERROGATORY LANGUAGE.

IF YOU CAN'T TELL THAT THIS OPINION WAS SLANTED BECAUSE THE WRITER CHOSE TO AVOID QUOTING BOEHNER, (BECAUSE IT DID NOT INDICATE HE WANTS TO TAX AMERICANS), THEN YOU ARE DEFINITELY THE CROWD HE IS TRYING TO INFLUENCE WITH HIS SPIN. I CHALLENGE THE WRITER TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE QUOTE. BOEHNER IS A REPUBLICAN, MEANING HE IS FOR LOWER TAXES, SMALLER GOVERNMENT, MORE PERSONAL CHOICES, FEWER ENTITLEMENTS.

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June 10, 2010 7:01 PM    in reply to Imdagny

PEOPLE SHOW THEIR STUPIDITY BY TYPING EVERYTHING IN ALL CAPS!

Try both caps and lower case. People won't think you're QUITE as ignorant.

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June 10, 2010 8:59 PM    in reply to Imdagny

President Obama uses OBNOXIOUS language? You just arrive here from the planet Pandora? Still sucking on that "unobtainium" crack pipe? Still beatin' your wife and kids? Get the f**k outta here!!!

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June 10, 2010 4:27 PM   

OMG-
I just heard the most frightening thing on underground radio, from former oil people...

Wondering why everyone is acting so strange about the oil spill and no cameras? And a denial of the plumes?

Intelligent speculation is that the drilling hit too deep, and caused a sort of volcano effect, hitting something like magna, releasing toxic chemicals, such as hydrogen sulfide and benzyne, at levels thousands of times toxic.

The plumes are actually "cracks" in the earth, not the drill hole but all over the bottom of the Gulf, because of this destabilization, out of which these toxic chemicals are coming.

The oil and even the dispersant are like candy compared to this, which is why people are getting sick. Many will eventually get cancer and birth defects. Its going to make a cancer cluster look like heaven.

That is why they are not doing much. They are sitting on a potential beyond nightmare.

I think I am going to be sick.

Anyone else hearing this stuff?

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June 10, 2010 4:38 PM    in reply to tropicgirl

Don't believe everything you read or hear, as evidenced by this column. If there were a chance that the earth was about to explode those boats wouldn't be there. They would send everyone home to be with their families. There purportedly are small leaks all over the ocean causing oil balls everywhere. The earth continues to move and with each tectonic plate movement leaks may occur. Mother nature never sleeps.

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June 10, 2010 4:41 PM   

TO: Brian Beutler

Do you write for the National Enquirer? Huffington Post? Get your facts straight. Oh, that's right - you write for a marginally accurate site.

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June 10, 2010 4:44 PM   

Boehner has obviously lost touch with not only his district, but the rest of the country. The idea that taxpayers, including people who work on the Gulf Coast who have already lost their livelihoods because of the spill, will have to pay to clean it up is absolutely ridiculous.

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June 10, 2010 4:48 PM   

Said it before and say it again, Sunshine Johnny is Ohio's gift to the Ripley Hall of Shame.

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June 10, 2010 4:49 PM   

Actually, Boenher may be right. In his own twisty-swervy sort of way. What did we do when the earlier oil crisis started, what did we do? Why, we cut buses! Doesn't that make a strange, Orwellian point of view?

I may have made this sound like a *very* broken record, but can't we please build buses, trains, and rails, and then staff them decently? Like, in the next eon.

Emily

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June 10, 2010 5:52 PM   

I have to admit, I'm torn about this one. If the American people are stupid enough to vote Bushes and other neo-cons into high office, they sort of deserve to pay for this mess. Perhaps this way they won't be so daft as to put these criminals in power again. Is that what it takes?

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June 10, 2010 6:03 PM   

his tongue is as black and squishy as that crude

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June 10, 2010 6:36 PM    in reply to bigsuperb

Where Cheney? No word from sneermouth. Hmmmmmm. Har har har.

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June 10, 2010 6:09 PM   

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that Boehner's intention was not to suggest a taxpayer bailout, only to tar President Obama with the blame that belongs to the Bush/Cheney administration - and the republican moles they embedded in career positions.

This was just another incident in their "blame Obama" campaign.

I wish they had really meant "Country First", but that was just a sales pitch.

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June 10, 2010 8:41 PM   

Fuck you, dude. How about YOU pay for it? You're the one sucking them off, not us!

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June 11, 2010 2:01 AM   

Let's get this straight: Boehner, who fights against ANY regulations on Corporations, is arguing that since the Government DIDN'T regulate BP, that means taxpayers should pay for the cleanup.

Are Conservatives really Hypocrites or do they think that all of us are stupid?

Aside from the Executive Douchebags at BP, blame for this disaster lies squarely with Conservatives and with DAN QUAYLE'S COMPETITIVENESS COUNCIL. Conservatives/Regressives/Fascists made the push to deregulate EVERYTHING in the name of unfettered profits so all of those Millionaires and Billionaires out there should foot the entire bill for cleanup as well as financing R&D for developing alternative energy sources to get the world OFF the oil they make so much money from.

Who needs foreign Terrorists when we have Conservatives/Regressives making their best effort to destroy the USA from the inside out.

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June 11, 2010 7:30 AM   

So let's get this straight. Republicans (Bush) insert cronies into MMS to gut regulation. Oil spill occurs as a result. Republicans blame the federal government and want U.S. taxpayers to pay. Why do republicans hate America?

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June 11, 2010 12:26 PM   

I'd suggest that this chatter-box Boehner plan to contribute his share in hard labor. There will be more than enough for him and his descendants if the latest news is true. This will be an unending flow of death coming from the sea.

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June 11, 2010 2:14 PM   

No, an emphatically NO, Mr. Boner! The present administration should freeze all financial accounts in the names of George W. Bush and Mr. Dick Cheney, have both men and their staffs subpoenaed to answer under oath the real reasons why the regulatory agencies did not do their JOBS. My conjecture is they had been threatened of losing their jobs and pensions should they attempt to oversee the dirty oil industry. Same thing happened when the oil industry was threatened with the EV-1 automobile, California! You should have stood your ground back then, maybe the Gulf of Mexico would still be blue instead of OILY BLACK!!

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June 11, 2010 4:38 PM   

Basically, we did help pay for this disaster by subsidizing them in the first place & by taxing them at far less of a rate than the average working man pays. They just want to squeeze us on both ends now.
I believe BP should be seized & sacrificed as an example to the whole industry with the proceeds going stright to the problem. Also, if Shell, Exxon & the rest of them still want the luxury of earning these outrageous profits, they should jump in & help us stop this gusher & with all the clean-up.
Legal or even practical, probably not, but wouldn't it be nice.

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June 12, 2010 4:12 AM   

The world mostly agrees that attacking Iran to punish their practices is socially appropriate, given a history of Iran making us generally nervous about industrial by-products, yet the matter of immediacy in damages in the U.S region, the oil spill marathon which lacked industry investment in planned prevention and resources concern/investment, is now appearing to an elected official as an open question in the resolve of critical blame and government directed discipline.

Once 'in the family' it seems, yet again, that
' Boehner gives it straight to the Americans and to the government,
and,
Pelosi whacks Boehner for America and Californians, '

Can news become historical classicism this quickly, again?

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June 12, 2010 1:46 PM   

Can we fix it so that only Palin/Boehner/Cheney/Bush have to pay them? Can we set a tax on oil only for republicans who support this assholic position?

Have Palin down there cleaning dying birds. Nice photo op for the Quitter. Maybe she can guzzle a gallon or two while she's at it.

This angers me beyond belief.

m65 kamagra

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June 13, 2010 4:24 AM   

This forum is one big case of "preaching to the choir." I Love It!!

I'd like to comment on Mr. Donahue's assertion that "It is generally not the practice of this country to change the laws after the game,"

In fact, there is precedent - In the 90s, the Repub Congress passed a law changing the bancruptcy laws so that you could no longer go bancrupt on your student loans. This was enforced retroactively - That is, even if you were able to bancrupt on those loans when you took them out, and even if that knowledge was part of the original contract, it was now an unavailable recourse.

Someone sued. Claimed it violated Constitutional prohibition of ex-post-facto laws. Case went to Supreme Court. The conservative majority found that the Constitutional protection against ex post facto laws ONLY extended to criminal statutes and specifically NOT civil financial laws. This decision still stands as law today.

Therefore, our government can bloody well change the laws all it wants. Our government can even prohibit BP from being able to claim bancruptcy if we wish to do so. We could say that the shareholders of a corporate entity are personally liable for damages done by the corporate body. We could make it retroactive to 1950. As long as there are no criminal charges, all bets are off Mr. Donahue!

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June 13, 2010 12:03 PM   

He is now making it our fault??? that BP and the regulators were in bed together and conspired to commit a crime of failure.... to meet the regulations for equipment etc. to drill there !!!and who paid him????Did his tan go to his brain? What level of sanity is this or isn't it that would even go there...shifting the blame and responsibility, vote him out.

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January 26, 2011 11:34 PM   

Boehner has obviously lost touch with not only his district, but the rest of the country. The idea that taxpayers, including people who work on the Gulf Coast who have already lost their livelihoods because of the spill, will have to pay to clean it up is absolutely ridiculous.

Michelle Noras
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