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Nevada GOP Senate candidate Sharron Angle earlier in her career spoke out strongly against fluoride, the substance known alternately for improving dental health and as a Communist plot to undermine Western democracy.

Angle, the tea party favorite who is taking on Sen. Harry Reid, tends to be skeptical of government programs, and her opposition to fluoridation of municipal water supplies back in the late 1990s is no exception.

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The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported in April 1999 that the state assembly, of which Angle was a member, voted 26-16 for a bill that required fluoridation in two counties including the cities of Reno and Las Vegas. Angle was a strong opponent of the measure. The paper reported (via Nexis):

Before the vote, Assemblywoman Sharron Angle, R-Reno, sought to postpone the vote so she could add an amendment to block fluoridation in Washoe County. The Washoe County Commission in 1992 rejected fluoridation, and Angle said the Legislature should not approve fluoridation in her county without a vote of its people.

While another member of the Assembly suggested opponents of the measure were worried about the financial implications of fluoridation, the Review-Journal reported: "Angle said she simply does not like fluoride." Angle added she believed most fluoride used in water supplies could contain "lead, arsenic, [or] mercury."

Here's what the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has to say on the matter:

"For 65 years, community water fluoridation has been a safe and healthy way to effectively prevent tooth decay. CDC has recognized water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century."

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June 9, 2010 9:08 AM   

Paging General Turgidsen.

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June 9, 2010 11:51 AM    in reply to Ethan

BG Jack D. Ripper, Commander of Burpelson AFB.

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June 9, 2010 1:17 PM    in reply to Ethan

That's cute and all, but even a Guardian (UK) writer has recognized that the science isn't as settled as it could be.

And, decades ago, fluoridation was sold using deceptive techniques by those with a financial stake, including smear campaigns against those who were opposed to it.

I suggest starting here and then doing your own research. Many people will discover that they've been trained just like dogs: when someone raises issues with fluoride, you're supposed to respond like Justin Elliot wants you to.

Then, when you actually think for yourself like a human and look into it, you'll see how once again you can't trust what Justin Elliot tells you.

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June 9, 2010 2:11 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

I have more links about this issue in this post about Justin Elliott.

I don't know the answer, since I'm not a chemistry researcher or doctor. However, I do know there's more to this than hacks would have you believe, and some caution about fluoride is warranted.

I encourage everyone to think for yourselves rather than acting as you've been conditioned to act.

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June 9, 2010 5:25 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

"I don't know the answer, since I'm not a chemistry researcher or doctor."

lol

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June 9, 2010 6:39 PM    in reply to LiberalRedneck

I'm sorry this is difficult for you to understand.

Like I said, I don't know the answer: I'm not qualified to decide one way or another.

Compare that with Justin Elliott: he has decided.

Think that through for a bit.

I can't make a decision because I'm not qualified. Justin Elliott has made a decision. Now, you need to ask: is Justin Elliott qualified to make that decision? Has, for instance, Justin Elliott reviewed all the studies pro and con?

Or, is Justin Elliott just acting like an idiot and making a decision based on how he's been taught to think?

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June 9, 2010 4:40 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

you are correct...
I read an article on that icelandic volcano. The ashes that it is spewing all over the place contain flouride. Side effects of flouride are upset stomachs and a loss of bone tissue mass. this was according to the article. However loss of bone tissue mass AKA Bridle bones...loss of bone tissue mass will also lead to...loss of teeth.

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June 9, 2010 8:34 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

Donald Miller, whose article you've linked, is not a credible source. He also thinks that HIV does not cause AIDS but that vaccines cause autism. This is nonsense. He simply believes that flouridation of our water supply is socialism and is willing to spread garbage for political purposes.

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June 9, 2010 8:48 PM    in reply to Trolleyfish

I don't know who Miller is, but here's a quote from another group: There are now, however, valid concerns regarding the potential adverse impact of fluoridation on the environment, wildlife, and human health.

Can you guess which group said that? Here's a hint: they're a large, household-name environmental group. Can you guess their name? See update 2 of my post if you give up.

Major p0wnage.

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June 9, 2010 10:22 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

Major bullshit...was all this before you won the modesty award?

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June 9, 2010 1:44 PM    in reply to Ethan

I believe you mean Gen "Purity of Essence" Ripper

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June 9, 2010 9:12 AM   

I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

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June 9, 2010 11:18 AM    in reply to Riesz Fischer

It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids, without the knowledge of the individual, certainly without any choice. That's the way a hard-core Commie works.

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June 9, 2010 11:24 AM    in reply to commie atheist

"Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face."

Ripper was a prophet I tell yez, a prophet.

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June 9, 2010 11:40 AM    in reply to cwnidog

And maybe Reno 911 isn't fiction after all.

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June 9, 2010 12:19 PM    in reply to Riesz Fischer

I think you're some kind of deviated prevert.
I think General Ripper found out about your
preversion, and that you were organizing some
kind of mutiny of preverts.

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June 9, 2010 12:37 PM    in reply to Riesz Fischer

I do not avoid women, Mandrake...
...but I do deny them my essence.

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June 9, 2010 1:48 PM    in reply to Riesz Fischer

Seems she got her fill of precious bodily fluids, get prepared for talk of her particular mode of receiving it. Let go of my ears, I know what I'm doing.

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June 10, 2010 4:52 AM    in reply to Riesz Fischer

Well said. Gimme a beer.

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June 9, 2010 9:40 AM   

'The fluoride solutions used in fluoridation must not contain any quantity of lead, arsenic, mercury, or any other substance that may be considered hazardous to human health,' she said. During hearings, Angle said witnesses testified most states use an industrial fluoride that contains such substances.

It is so cute when Republicans pretend they care about water quality.

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June 9, 2010 10:24 AM    in reply to kspin

They certainly don't seem to be upset about all that not-fluoride pouring into the Gulf of Mexico.

I'd like to see one of them brush their teeth with that.

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June 9, 2010 1:32 PM    in reply to Signalman

They are upset. They're upset that all of their oil is being contaminated with sea water.

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June 9, 2010 11:24 AM    in reply to kspin

The fluoride solutions used in fluoridation must not contain any quantity of lead, arsenic, mercury, or any other substance that may be considered hazardous to human health....

I would be curious if there were any attempt to refute these allegations scientifically.

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June 9, 2010 9:57 AM   

Fluoridation of water is BS. That anyone who is against it is ruthlessly mocked is a testament to the skills of Edward Bernays and the length that industry has bamboozled the American public. The fluoride pumped into public drinking water is industrial waste - not the dental grade flouride found in toothpaste.

Look it up: http://podcasts.howstuffworks.com/hsw/podcasts/sysk/2009-08-13-sysk-fluoride-stupid.mp3

Nazi Germany originated the practice of fluoridating water. Today, every country in Europe, Japan, Canada - most developed countries except the U.S. - have banned fluoridation public drinking water.

This could be the only time I'd agree with a tea bagger.

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June 9, 2010 10:10 AM    in reply to Jeremy

Stop repeating woo.

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June 9, 2010 10:21 AM    in reply to LiberalRedneck

It doesn't take a leap of faith to believe industry would use a PR campaign (that's what Bernays excelled at) to convince people to drink it's industrial waste. Fluoride is a toxic byproduct of many industrial processes and would cost industry $$$$ to deal with it properly. What better way to socialize that cost than make people think "it's good for your teeth." Just like Bernays convinced Americans it's not breakfast without the bacon.

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June 9, 2010 10:26 AM    in reply to Jeremy

I mean, bacon rules, but I'm just saying.

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June 9, 2010 10:28 AM    in reply to Jeremy

You don't know what you're talking about.

I'm just saying.

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June 9, 2010 10:40 AM    in reply to LiberalRedneck

Do you know what you're talking about? Maybe I am wrong.

Maybe the industries that produce fluoride as a toxic byproduct really do have the best interests of our teeth at heart when they convinced Congress to allow them to dump it into our drinking water.

Maybe all those other governments that outlaw fluoridation are mistaken, too.

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June 9, 2010 10:44 AM    in reply to Jeremy

You're wrong.

Just stop posting about it.

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June 9, 2010 11:05 AM    in reply to Jeremy

I'm more concerned with the anal transponder suppositories the TSA sneaks into every air traveler in this nation. Last week I flew to Vegas and back and now my iPhone won't stop talking to my ass. Geez!

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June 9, 2010 12:12 PM    in reply to stephen duncan

Is there an "App" for that?

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June 9, 2010 10:31 AM    in reply to Jeremy

Watching Adam Curtis documentaries does not automatically transform you into a chemist, a scientist or a master of analogies.

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June 9, 2010 10:38 AM    in reply to Jeremy

Only an idiot that thinks he knows would believe this crap. Where the hell do you find it? First of all, saying this is industrail waste puts it in another category altogether. Do you have any idea wandering around in your skull just how much waste is generated? The amount of this stuff used in drinking water does NOT make this a viable way to "dispose" of it.
The amount of flouride used in various chemisties absolutely dwarfs use in water supplies. Go look up the amounts used for this. Then look up what is used to make teflon. That is just one use for this element.

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June 9, 2010 10:56 AM    in reply to Jeremy

Seriously, have you ever seen the natural dental smile of the Japanese and Europeans? I'm not saying they have poor oral hygiene. But I am saying that with the exception of the Germans, they generally have pretty lousy teeth.

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June 9, 2010 12:19 PM    in reply to tinsk

If you look at a graph of dental health worldwide (cavities per tooth) you'll see that dental health is gradually getting better all around the world for the last few decades. It's due to better dental care, not fluoridation as many countries, like in the EU, have stopped using it or never used it at all.

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June 9, 2010 10:12 AM    in reply to Jeremy

Criticizing fluoridation of water is bound to get the critic ridiculed, especially thanks to Kubrick, but there are reasons to disagree with the contention that added fluoride is a desirable substance to consume with every drop of water. In the fifties, we certainly were considerably less weary of colorants, pesticides, preservatives, metals, and other substances in our foods than we are today, and fluoride is no exception.

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June 9, 2010 10:16 AM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

Unfortunately most of the reasons for the disagreement are based on a poor understanding of chemistry.

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June 9, 2010 12:40 PM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

And yet, here we all, two full generations of people with much better dental health than our grandparents had at our age.

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June 9, 2010 1:28 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

I could only wish the rest of their bodies would follow suit. I am not one to believe that increased incidence of degenerative and inflammatory diseases we see today is a result of increased longevity, especially with the freakish increase in these conditions among the young in the form of diabetes and obesity, attention deficit disorders and autism. I remember how as a kid I thought Abbot was thin and Costello was fat. Nowadays, they both look pretty slim. Even Curly is thin by today's standards. I see something going awry, but I place the blame on an accumulation of environmental changes.

As in the case of iron or folic acid enriched flour and of margarine, yesterday's health foods sometimes turn out to be today's poisons, in both cases, backed by the science of the time and oftentimes the science is put out by an interested industry, and most likely if there are benefits, there are also likely to be unintended consequences. In other words, every medicine is also a potential poison if used longterm. I do entertain the possibility that the benefits of fluoridated water outweigh the consequences.

I should not stick my neck out for an issue over which my feelings are rather tepid, and my questioning the wisdom of fluoridated water is merely just that rather than the angry conspiracy mindedness this article is singling out, but personally, with my humble knowledge on human metabolism, I would prefer not to drink it.

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June 9, 2010 2:50 PM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

I am not one to believe that increased incidence of degenerative and inflammatory diseases we see today is a result of increased longevity, especially with the freakish increase in these conditions among the young in the form of diabetes and obesity,...

Call me crazy, but it seems to me that increased dietary sugar (and especially the increased consumption of sugared soft drinks) would be more likely to have something to do with that than fluoride in the water.

My boss swallowed all this anti-fluoride stuff when her daughter was born, and took steps to be sure she was never contaminated with it. Now at the age of 6 or 7, that child is having to have extensive dental work done every time you turn around.

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June 9, 2010 3:14 PM    in reply to slb

Increased dietary sugar consumption may be a compensation for poorer metabolism, but it is always the individual at fault in our culture, not the complex interplay of environmental factors in which she lives. As for fluoride, yes, the evidence pointing toward its dental benefits is strong, but whether or not they come at a cost is not a subject to be ridiculed. For example,

Am J Epidemiol 1991 Apr 1;133(7):649-60. A prospective study of bone mineral content and fracture in communities with differential fluoride exposure. Sowers MF, Clark MK, Jannausch ML, Wallace RB. “Residence in the higher-fluoride community was associated with a significantly lower radial bone mass in premenopausal and postmenopausal women, an increased rate of radial bone mass loss in premenopausal women, and significantly more fractures among postmenopausal women. There was no difference in the 5-year relative risk of any fracture in the higher-calcium community versus the control community; however, the relative risk was 2.1 (95% confidence interval (CI) 1.0-4.4) in women in the higher-fluoride community compared with women in the control community.There was no difference in the 5-year risk of wrist, spine, or hip fracture in the higher-calcium community versus the control community; however, the 5-year relative risk for women in the higher-fluoride community, compared with women in the control community, was 2.2 (95% CI 1.1-4.7). Estimates of risk were adjusted for age and body size.”

As with everything in life, there are unintended consequences and costs, and debating these is in no way an unscientific undertaking. Quite the contrary.

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June 9, 2010 2:52 PM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

So don't drink it. I am 65 and was raised on fluoridated water in MO. My husband, also 65, had teeth so bad they were removed when he was 17. He was raised in a nonfluoride, "it's a commie plot" state, Wisconsin. My grandson had surgery to remove rotten teeth at the age of 3. His parents fed him bottled, nonfluoride water. They were concerned about the quality of that tapwater. Hmmm...just sayin'. BTW, have you ever bothered to read the water report published (aat least here in Simi Valley, CA) every couple years by your water district?

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June 9, 2010 3:30 PM    in reply to soupson52

Anecdotes vs anecdotes, there are millions of people growing up without fluoridated water and without losing all their teeth at seventeen, but I will not deny the benefits of fluoride on dental health. Debate on the cost of the benefits should however not be shouted down. You know, there are benefits to having an automobile society and habitat, but you may have lately noticed that it comes at an environmental cost. The adversity to the debate is what troubles me the most, and fluoride does have its effects in spite of its benefits, which if you had bothered to carefully read, I do not deny.

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June 9, 2010 10:44 AM    in reply to Jeremy

Oh brother, an anti-fluoride wacko. Look sport, stick to the peer-reviewed science. That's how science has always been conducted. Through papers and journals and conferences. And the CDC is pretty darn solid.

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June 9, 2010 12:16 PM    in reply to Jeremy

I hate to say it, but the Teabaggers have a point on this one. Look to the European debates over the subject to inform yourself.

(Funny that we scorn the agencies like the SEC and MMS as laughably weak, at best and thoroughly corrupt at worst, but the CDC can do no wrong. )

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June 9, 2010 2:56 PM    in reply to joel3000

Can you say "track record"?

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June 9, 2010 12:56 PM    in reply to Jeremy

Nazi Germany originated the practice of fluoridating water. Today, every country in Europe, Japan, Canada - most developed countries except the U.S. - have banned fluoridation public drinking water.

This is patently untrue. Many countries in Europe fluoridate their water: The UK, Ireland, and Spain, for example. Whether the Nazis did so or not is irrelevant. They also realised smoking may not be so good for you. Evil people can get at least a few things right.


Protip: Comparing anyone to a Nazi, unless they literally are a member of a Nazi or neo-Nazi group, is the surest way to make people discredit your opinions.

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June 9, 2010 2:40 PM    in reply to christovir

I agree with your point about Nazi comparisons, and I'll stand corrected that not every country in Europe bans the fluoridation of water. However, it's a fact that Germany under Nazi control was the first country to propose and do fluoridation. Saying so is stating a fact.

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June 9, 2010 3:04 PM    in reply to Jeremy

It is also an irrelevant fact.

The 1939 Nobel Prize for Medicine was awarded to a German scientist for the discovery of the antibacterial effects of prontosil, the first of the sulfa drugs. He worked for the Bayer Institute, which was part of IG Farben, the manufacturer of Zyklon B, used in the gas chambers at Auschwitz and other death camps.

Do those associations make sulfa drugs evil? Until the discovery of penicillin, they were the only drugs effective against bacterial infections.

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June 9, 2010 4:07 PM    in reply to slb

I don't think it's totally irrelevant because the studied use by Nazi doctors was against political prisoners and prisoners of war (they discovered sufficient exposure to fluoride made them docile).

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June 9, 2010 5:08 PM    in reply to Jeremy

You know who else breathed air?

THE NAZIS!

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June 9, 2010 5:11 PM    in reply to Jeremy

Also, you took a fact and spun it to suit your narrative.

There is *NO* evidence that the Nazis used fluoride for making prisoners docile. I'm pretty sure guns did that just fine.

Seriously, you gotta stop repeating whatever bullshit you read online.

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June 10, 2010 9:14 AM    in reply to Jeremy

You are wrong about Canada. My drinking water (Toronto) is fluoridated.

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June 9, 2010 10:09 AM   

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June 9, 2010 10:27 AM   

The woman sounds like a Bircher (she hates the UN as well). It looks like she was afraid of the International Communist Dental Conspiracy. It would be interesting to see what Dr. Taitz thinks of this issue.

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June 9, 2010 10:53 AM    in reply to ejg3

Alex Jones has been feeding people these absurd conspiracy theories for years, and his father is a dentist who does fluoride treatments.

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June 9, 2010 11:09 AM    in reply to LiberalRedneck

Hey, I like you really do not support Angle. But I am not so sure on the whole fluoride thing. There is a great podcast called Stuff you should know, hosted by two guys Josh and Chuck, who did a show in the last year about fluoride, I must say whether it is healthy or not fluoride is industrial waste. I am not really comfortable with the idea that an industrial waste bi-product became the be-all and end-all additive to 99% of all city/municipal/county water. You seem to be very certain of its safeness (to the point of attacking other commentators who disagree), can you please provide me some background.

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June 9, 2010 11:11 AM    in reply to JoshQuasimoto

I don't care who you support politically, you are repeating misinformation and bad science.

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June 9, 2010 11:38 AM    in reply to JoshQuasimoto

Actually, fluoride is also naturally occurring in private well water as well.

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June 9, 2010 1:00 PM    in reply to JoshQuasimoto

Then I'm sure you'll support banning the largest component of industrial waste, and the one that kills the most people, dihydrogen monoxide.

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June 9, 2010 1:40 PM    in reply to JoshQuasimoto

Well, if Josh and Chuck have a podcast, I suppose their science is correct.

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June 10, 2010 1:28 AM    in reply to Slaw

Seriously Slaw, Liberal and others who commented. Stop the frickin snarking. UNless one of you wants to put up their degree in Chemistry/Dentistry or other science field and has peer reviewed published work to provide, then you are no different from me. You must be getting the information second hand. Of course I am more than willing to look at anything you provide about fluoride. Personally I re-use a 2 & 3 Gallon plaster water bottle which I refill at my local supermarket. I have not always done this and grew up with tap water in a very large town. The water was very hard and did not taste that great. Oh and yes I am aware that fluoride occurs naturally in fresh water, sorry I did not mention it.

To slaw I will give a proper english term in regards to your comment fu&k off! Seriously just take 28 minutes or so and listen to these two guys on the Stuff you should know podcast who talk about the all things fluoride. It's a great radio program, basically two guys doing professional reports on what they deem as interesting subject matter.

Heres the link:
http://podcasts.howstuffworks.com/hsw/podcasts/sysk/2009-08-13-sysk-fluoride-stupid.mp3

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June 10, 2010 5:04 AM    in reply to JoshQuasimoto

Well if Josh and Chuck said it, by god it must be so.

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June 9, 2010 3:06 PM    in reply to ejg3

It would be interesting to see what Dr. Taitz thinks of this issue.

LOL!!!

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June 9, 2010 11:03 AM   

Only one of a long list of wacko positions from this gem. The Ds should be so lucky in every race. No doubt Harry will be using black helicoptors rather than vans to get folks to the polls on Election Day.

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June 9, 2010 11:05 AM   

I'm a long-time reader and fan of TPM. But I see you taking the way too easy route on this one. You might look deeper than the not-infallible CDC. Check out not just the U.S. cities and counties that have stopped using fluoride, but also look at the number of entire countries that have discontinued its use.....such as Germany and the Netherlands. Those folks ain't no fools on health matters.
If you dig a bit, you'll find an interesting history in the politics of U.S. fluoridation. It is a highly toxic by-product in the making of aluminum and cost a lot to dispose of.....until magically it could be sold to water districts. You might find an industry insider getting a high-level government appointment many decades ago and, voila, fluoridated water. Just the kind of story a TPM of the 1940s and 1950s would have jumped on.
Uh, ask Dr. Weil. He's got plenty of street cred. No fluoride for him. Matter of fact, he uses distilled water at home and at the office, so he can also avoid all the contamination in our water from stuff like prozac and whatever else goes down the sink and toilet then back into rivers and lakes. (BTW, any responders who want to jump in quickly here and say, No, distilled water leaches minerals from your bones, etc. You, too, might dig a little deeper than that one hysterical web site that launched the urban legend. Ask Dr. Weil.)
Again, you wanna poke fun at a fringe-Tea-Party opportunist candidate, please do. I love it. But don't be so eager to pounce that you take the easy and ignorant route on a controversy in which, if you dig just a tiny bit below the "conventional-wisdom" surface, there are a lot of intelligent, legitimate, knowledgeable people who believe fluoride is doing us much more harm than good.

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June 9, 2010 11:08 AM    in reply to curveball2

Evidence please. You don't get to just type a bunch of crap and people believe it. Don't compare yourself to the CDC either, because your post is not peer reviewed.

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June 9, 2010 12:19 PM    in reply to LiberalRedneck

By all means, keep drinking the water.

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June 9, 2010 12:31 PM    in reply to curveball2

Man, this water sure is tasty.

It quenches my thirst so much better than your stupid crusader kick.

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June 9, 2010 11:15 AM    in reply to curveball2

Bravo and how right you are.

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June 9, 2010 11:06 AM   

There is a ton of evidence that municipal water fluoridation is has negative impacts on health, osteoporosis just to name one. The CDC is basing their position on research that was done in the 1950's back when smoking Lucky Strike cigarettes was also endorsed by dentists as a way to fight cavities. Can you name one single study that has been done in the last twenty years that shows fluoridation is good for you? Come on Elliot, do your research! More here: http://fluoridealert.org/fluoride-facts.htm

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June 9, 2010 11:07 AM   

There is a ton of evidence that municipal water fluoridation is has negative impacts on health, osteoporosis just to name one. The CDC is basing their position on research that was done in the 1950's back when smoking Lucky Strike cigarettes was also endorsed by dentists as a way to fight cavities. Can you name one single study that has been done in the last twenty years that shows fluoridation is good for you? Come on Elliot, do your research! More here: http://fluoridealert.org/fluoride-facts.htm

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June 9, 2010 11:10 AM    in reply to Simeon

Whacko pseudo-science site.

This would be like me posting a fundamentalist Christian site as evidence of Intelligent Design.

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June 9, 2010 11:18 AM    in reply to LiberalRedneck

Well I guess we Americans must be soooooo right about fluoride and the rest of the world is wrong.

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June 9, 2010 11:19 AM    in reply to samifloo

If the Americans in questions are chemists, then yes.

I don't think you fall in that category.

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June 9, 2010 11:54 AM    in reply to LiberalRedneck

Do you have any facts to support your position or do you just prefer ad hominem attacks? Where's your evidence to support water fluoridation apart from outdated, poorly-conducted government studies from fifty years when they also supported using DDT and Thalidomide? I guess those chemicals didn't work out so well, did they.

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June 9, 2010 11:59 AM    in reply to Simeon

Hurr durr.

I love conspiracy whackos. You make outrageous claims and then demand proof from others.

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June 9, 2010 12:24 PM    in reply to LiberalRedneck

Chris Bryson's book is filled with scientific studies that don't support your point of view. He's a former, well-respected BBC correspondent. Have you read it? That's what I thought.

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June 9, 2010 12:33 PM    in reply to Simeon

I forgot Amazon only sells non-fiction scientific textbooks.

Hurr durr.

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June 9, 2010 11:32 AM   

This is another stance taken by Scientology. That makes 3 connections she has to Scientology. I wonder if you can find that she is an actual member.

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June 9, 2010 11:36 AM   

Man...I'm going to have a wear manpampers on election night. I promised to laugh so hard I shit myself if the Teatards manage to hand Reid his job back and give KY a Dem Senator. It's just too good...too good. This woman is certifiable.

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June 9, 2010 11:48 AM   

(sorry for the double post above) If you really want to know why fluoride was introduced in our water supplies read Chris Bryson's excellent book The Fluoride Deception.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1583225269
Byrson convincingly shows that the real reason behind fluoridation was to insure sufficient quantities of fluoride for government nuclear weapons programs (fluoride is a key ingredient in the weaponization of plutonium.) To accomplish this, it was necessary to shape the American public's perception of fluoride at the time from seeing it as a dangerous substance, which it is, to a more benign view. With the cooperation of several universities, evidence was manufactured to support this perspective, and thus was born the "miracle of water fluoridation." Welcome to the genesis of the military-industrial complex.

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June 10, 2010 5:23 AM    in reply to Simeon

I see these messages to go and dig deeper. How about digging deeper into you're sources. Chuck and josh,Chris Bryson....ever notice these people are trying to sell you something?

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June 9, 2010 11:57 AM   

Hopefully we start seeing Democrats dressed up as teeth (instead of chickens) showing up at her campaign events and later polling stations.

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June 9, 2010 1:54 PM    in reply to Joe

Cavities optional or are we saving that for Nikki "buttered muffin" Haley. Ewww!!!!!

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June 10, 2010 5:28 AM    in reply to Joe

LOL. I love it.

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June 9, 2010 12:08 PM   

I'll bet she's worried about "Reds" in the state department, too.

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June 9, 2010 12:22 PM   

What I really want to know is where Orly Taitz, DDS, stands on this vital issue.

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June 9, 2010 12:35 PM   

I'm confused - I thought us Am-ur-uh-cuns knew best about everything and we were supposed to hate those secularist, socialist, wishy-washy Europeans, do everything the opposite way, and never conform to one-world government type policies. But flouride is the exception? We must copy Europe on that? For my own personal edification, what other contraditions am I supposed to embrace?

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June 9, 2010 12:54 PM   

Where's the part that says Angle objected because of a Communist conspiracy?

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June 9, 2010 1:21 PM   

Modern science indicates that ingesting fluoride does not reduce tooth decay but does contribute to adverse health effects. More than 2700 professionals, including 260 dentists, urge congress to stop fluoridation See http://www.FluorideAction.Net

7,000 Environmental Protection Agency scientists and health professionals want a moratorium on fluoridation until it can be shown to be absolutely safe for everyone.

Both the Centers for Disease Control and the American Dental Association now admit that fluoridated water should not be mixed with infant formula if parents care to avoid fluoride's adverse effects, such as dental fluorosis, white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth.
And what informed parent wouldn't. Unfortunately, this information is not reaching the public who still thinks ingesting fluoride is a good idea.

Politicians who favor fluoridation are influenced by the power and money of the American Dental Association, a union that represents the best interests of dentists.

The CDC does not do any original fluoride research. Endorsements were done by word of mouth decades ago. They aren't science-based.

Fluoridation 101
http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof

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June 9, 2010 1:53 PM    in reply to nyscof

Do you have primary literature to back this up? I'd be interested in looking at any of it, if you have it. Web pages and blogs don't provide evidence--you need primary citations.

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June 9, 2010 3:27 PM    in reply to Slaw

Slaw, just a brief look through the website above shows a study from American Journal of Epidemiology, 1999 showing an increased risk of hip fractures from fluoride in drinking water.
http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof/_pgg6.php3
There are plenty more like this, from mainstream medical journals.

The literature is replete with studies like this mentioned in Chris Bryson's book, The Fluoride Deception , cited above. However, since the fluoride industry paid for many of the these studies, they weren't allowed to be shown to the public until recently, ie. the Sloan-Kettering Beagle study from the 1960's. This study conclusively showed lung damage to dogs exposed to particularized fluoride but was never made public, even to juries. The only studies made public were those that made water fluoridation look like a good.

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June 9, 2010 5:19 PM    in reply to Simeon

Yeah, read this proof that is not on a credible scientific website.

Because, you know, its proof.

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June 9, 2010 1:54 PM    in reply to nyscof

Thanks for setting the facts straight. There simply isn't much real science in favor of fluoridation, plenty against it, and public support is weakening for good reason.

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June 9, 2010 5:21 PM    in reply to Simeon

"and public support is weakening for good reason."

No it isn't.

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June 9, 2010 1:51 PM   

This shit is just way too easy. All that is missing is making Shrub a spokesweed for the Nut Suckers.

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June 9, 2010 2:14 PM   

Why no link to the original article or vote?

It would be interesting to know who the other 16 assembly votes were from.

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June 9, 2010 2:42 PM   

Alex Jones just called, he wants his conspiracy back.

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June 9, 2010 2:49 PM   

well i personally would not consider it a conspiracy. just a case where economics out-weigh social concerns. funny that it is framed as a "socialist agenda".

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June 9, 2010 3:13 PM   

GOP in Nevada reminds me of hapless Democrats during a 20-30 year dry spell that took place many places in the country. Only the current GOP could take someone as vulnerable as Reid and make him likely to retain his seat by nominating a nut, with the close runner up being an airhead. But I guess when they have a governor who can't win his primary and a US Senator plagued by scandal, they really have no strong statewide leadership. Incredible.

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June 9, 2010 4:07 PM   

For those of you that want to see the list of scientific and medical journals with recent studies that seriously question both the efficacy and safety of fluoride, here you go:
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/teeth/caries/topical-systemic.html

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June 9, 2010 5:12 PM    in reply to Simeon

You really think you have access to information no one else could possibly have access to, don't you?

Clearly you have some magical ability to use Google that the sheeple do not possess.

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June 9, 2010 4:24 PM   

How about getting rid of the Chlorine as well.. I mean they use chlorine in Russia dont they?? and now they outlaw guns and send dissenters to concentration camps, dont they? Its an easy step from chlorine and fluoride to prison camps and slave labor! Just ask Glenn Beck..

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June 9, 2010 8:34 PM    in reply to Vietnameravet

Do you know who used else used chlorine? The Nazis! That's who! It's a toxic gas that can cause skin burns and blindness. Why would we want to drink that kind of poison?

/snark

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June 18, 2010 1:42 PM    in reply to christovir

Right on bro! And the Nazis also used electricity which we all know is a secret means of thought control by the beings on Melmack who think of people as a source of protein! Do I really have to say Snark???

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June 9, 2010 5:11 PM   

I grew up in the pre flouride era and did as was suggested "Brushed my teeth twice a day, saw my dentist twice a year" At my regular visits, I ALWAYS had 5-6 cavities a trip. I wasn't flouride treated. Now my kids with the same DNA were under the same regimen of daily brushing and regular checkups AND FLORIDE in our water plus flouride treatments occasionally by their dentist. The results of this is that they all have their own teeth in toto.....no false ones at all and in all their lives have NEVER repeat NEVER had a cavity. As far as I am concerned, that proves the effectiveness of flouridation.

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June 9, 2010 9:46 PM    in reply to Donald

Donald, if you look at the data, dental health has vastly improved in most countries with fluoridated water and without. In fact, it's improved because of better dental hygiene and care, not from fluoridated drinking water, otherwise the improvements would be seen only in countries that practice fluoridation. Reductions in dental caries by over 75 percent, in the last few decades, have been achieved in many EU countries that don't fluoridate at all.

And take a look at these results from two comparable provinces in Canada. Not much of a difference at all.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/ontario-fluoride-may-make-minor-difference/article1535873/

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June 10, 2010 5:49 AM    in reply to Donald

I think you hit on the reason why it was done in the first place. It had something to do with the fact that not everyone could afford to go to a dentist and get the topical treatments.

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June 9, 2010 9:12 PM   

Teabaggers are not the only Americans that have educated themselves about Flouridated water. You should too. I am left of Progressive, and quite well informed, and not by merely reading the quite varied quality of news & views written on HPost & TPM.
Check out the info readily available.
Even if you want to be floridated, along with your family, you have no right to force me to ingest the crap. It is NOT in the water to sterilize, de-contaminate or improve the quality of the water. It is there as (dental) medication. In the US, there are many products available which provide floride for topical application, the only way that it does provide dental benefits, to the extent that it does. Now the floride in our water supply in addition to the other products we may use could put children 'over the top', yes floride in excess is damaging to the health. READ UP on it before you write such nonsense. You'll find that it is advised that newborns and infants NOT drink floridated water, making parents have to find such non-floridated water for their young children. That is madness.

Ms Angle may have many odd beliefs, but just because she believes it doesn't make it odd. Again I strongly urge YOU to inform yourself on this subject, as at this point you've apparently 'swallowed the (floridated) Kool-aid'

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June 9, 2010 11:05 PM   

Geeze. No one is forcing ANYONE to drink ANYTHING. You don't want fluoride, drink bottled water.
Ozonation (then o3 removal via carbon)such as France uses is likely a better treatment for drinking water than the use of various chlorine compounds. You know what people do when they don't want to drink their chlorinated tap water? They either filter it, or buy bottled water. No one is forcing them to drink chlorine. For the sake of argument, lets just eliminate all of the halogens. If you don't want halogens or halogenated compounds in your drink- filter it, or buy bottled. But don't buy the fluorinated distilled water in the baby aisle of the grocery store- unless you want fluorinated water. What? You can purchase fluorinated bottled water? Thats crazy!
The point is- you have a choice. You have a choice to drink or not drink tap water. It's not a free commodity. It's something you purchase. If you don't like the specs of said commodity, purchase a different "brand" of it from elsewhere (or filter it). It's not like a "commie" gov't is forcing you to drink it.
You've got a frackin' choice!

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June 10, 2010 7:19 AM   

Geeze. No one is forcing ANYONE to drink ANYTHING. You don't want fluoride, drink bottled water.
Ozonation (then o3 removal via carbon)such as France uses is likely a better treatment for drinking water than the use of various chlorine compounds. You know what people do when they don't want to drink their chlorinated tap water? They either filter it, or buy bottled water. No one is forcing them to drink chlorine. For the sake of argument, lets just eliminate all of the halogens. If you don't want halogens or halogenated compounds in your drink- filter it, or buy bottled. But don't buy the fluorinated distilled water in the baby aisle of the grocery store- unless you want fluorinated water. What? You can purchase fluorinated bottled water? Thats crazy!
The point is- you have a choice. You have a choice to drink or not drink tap water. It's not a free commodity. It's something you purchase. If you don't like the specs of said commodity, purchase a different "brand" of it from elsewhere (or filter it). It's not like a "commie" gov't is forcing you to drink it.
You've got a frackin' choice!

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June 12, 2010 2:04 PM   

I am not one to believe that increased incidence of degenerative and inflammatory diseases we see today is a result of increased longevity, especially with the freakish increase in these conditions among the young in the form of diabetes and obesity,...

Call me crazy, but it seems to me that increased dietary sugar (and especially the increased consumption of sugared soft drinks) would be more likely to have something to do with that than fluoride in the water.

My boss swallowed all this anti-fluoride stuff when her daughter was born, and took steps to be sure she was never contaminated with it. Now at the age of 6 or 7, that child is having to have extensive dental work done every time you turn around.

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June 14, 2010 9:14 AM   

What about chemtrails?

What is Angle's position on chemtrails?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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June 14, 2010 9:35 AM   

-- Water fluoride chemicals boosts lead absorption in lab animals’ bones, teeth and blood, was reported by Sawan, et al. (Toxicology 2/2010). Earlier studies already show children’s blood-lead-levels are higher in fluoridated communities, reports Sawan’s research team.

-- State University of New York researchers found more premature births in fluoridated than non-fluoridated upstate New York communities, according to a presentation made at the American Public Health Association’s annual meeting on November 9, 2009 in Philadelphia.

-- New York State Department of Health dentist J. V. Kumar published national statistics in the July 2009 Journal of the American Dental Association which show similar cavity rates regardless of water fluoride content, However, dental fluorosis rates increased along with water fluoride levels. See analysis “Fluoridation No Benefit; Definite Harm,” by Kathleen M. Thiessen, Ph.D., SENES Oak Ridge, Inc., Center for Risk Analysis here:http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/Clinch_2009_No_Benefit_Definite_Harm.pdf


-- The National Kidney Foundation dropped its fluoridation support replacing it with this caution: “Individuals with CKD [Chronic Kidney Disease] should be notified of the potential risk of fluoride exposure.”

-- Researchers reporting in the Oct 6 2007 British Medical Journal indicate that fluoridation never was proven safe or effective and may be unethical. (4)

-- “A qualitative review of ...studies found a consistent and strong association between the exposure to fluoride and low IQ,” concluded Tang el al., in "Fluoride and Children’s Intelligence: A Meta-analysis” in Biological Trace Element Research (5)

-- Scientific American editors wrote in January 2008, "Some recent studies suggest that over-consumption of fluoride can raise the risks of disorders affecting teeth, bones, the brain and the thyroid gland"


-- A study in the Fall 2008 Journal of Public Health Dentistry reveals that cavity-free teeth have little to do with fluoride intake. Researchers report, "The benefits of fluoride are mostly topical…while fluorosis is clearly more dependent on fluoride intake."

-- Research published in Biological Trace Element Research (April 2009). indicates that blood fluoride levels were significantly higher in patients with osteosarcoma than in control groups. (13) Osteosarcoma, a rare bone cancer, occurs mostly in children and young adults

-- All infant formula, whether concentrated or not, contain fluoride at levels that can discolor teeth - even organic, according to research published in the October 2009 Journal of the American Dental Association.

"Fluoride appears to have the potential to initiate or promote
cancers, particularly of the bone...," according to the most recent
and extensive review of fluoride toxicology by the prestigious
National Research Council (NRC 2006).

Fluoridation is linked to bone cancer
(osteosarcoma) in young boys, is reported in Harvard's peer-reviewed
journal, "Cancer Causes and Control."

More scientifically verifiable adverse health effects of fluoride are here http://www.FluorideAction.Net/health

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June 14, 2010 3:22 PM   

-- Water fluoride chemicals boosts lead absorption in lab animals’ bones, teeth and blood, was reported by Sawan, et al. (Toxicology 2/2010). Earlier studies already show children’s blood-lead-levels are higher in fluoridated communities, reports Sawan’s research team.

From the abstract:

We exposed female rats and their offspring to control water (Control Group), 100mg/L of fluoride (F Group), 30mg/L of lead (Pb Group), or 100mg/L of fluoride and 30mg/L of lead (F+Pb Group)

In other words they exposed the rats to levels of lead in drinking water 2000 times higher than the EPA action level for lead in drinking water. Furthermore, they exposed the rats to fluoride levels 25 times higher than the legal limit for fluoride in drinking water over 300 times the standard level of fluoride added to water. Such high exposures are not always indicative of the bodies response to low level exposures.

Anyway. if you want to avoid lead poisoning in children, the best way to do that is not to eliminate fluoride, but to get rid of the lead exposure in the first place.

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June 14, 2010 3:31 PM   

-- State University of New York researchers found more premature births in fluoridated than non-fluoridated upstate New York communities, according to a presentation made at the American Public Health Association’s annual meeting on November 9, 2009 in Philadelphia.

What exactly did they find?

Domestic water fluoridation was associated with an increased risk of PTB [preterm birth]. This relationship was most pronounced among women in the lowest SES [socio-economic-status] groups (>10% poverty) and those of non-white racial origin,” write Rachel Hart, et al. Department of Epidemiology & Biostatistics, SUNY School of Public Health.

Ooops, they just invalidated the claim that fluoridation is associated with preterm births.

If it the case that fluoridation was responsible for preterm births, then the levels would be consistent across social economic groups. The fact that it is not suggests that other factors are present. Without any information about these factors there is no way that any positive link between fluoridation and preterm births can be validated.

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June 14, 2010 3:53 PM   

-- “A qualitative review of ...studies found a consistent and strong association between the exposure to fluoride and low IQ,” concluded Tang el al., in "Fluoride and Children’s Intelligence: A Meta-analysis” in Biological Trace Element Research (5)

Try to be honest in your cites, and don’t quote mine. A review of the abstract indicates that the above paper actually says this:

. . . . which means that children who live in a fluorosis area have five times higher odds of developing low IQ than those who live in a nonfluorosis area or a slight fluorosis area.

Did you catch that? They are talking about exposure in flourosis areas and that the IQ effects are only seen in high flourosis areas, not in slight flourosis areas. Flouridosis areas in China are not at all comparable to water flouridation in the U.S.

How do the fluoride levels in Chinese flourosis areas compare to exposure to fluoride in drinking water in the U.S.? The flourosis areas of China contain fluoride in the soils and in the coal used to process and cook foods. Research has shown that the contents of fluorine in local foods can exceed Chinese standards by up to 1400 times.

So, in other words, you are comparing bicycles to dump trucks here. Health effects in Chinese flouridosis areas are NOT indicative of any health effects of water flouridation in this country.

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June 15, 2010 7:58 PM   

Well, it's good to know that such kooky ideas are equally held amongst the members of various political philosophies. I was beginning to think that the fluoride wackos were predominantly Libertarian. Maybe they still are, but this thread doesn't give me much hope.

I guess it's just the nature of the Internet as a kind of flypaper for people with personality disorders.

People who think fluoride in the water is nefarious should be mocked and ridiculed. Marginalizing poor judgment is necessary for species survival. America is a breeding ground for paranoid ideas, and the only way out if it is for people to aggressively deride these poorly thought out ideas.

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