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There comes a time in a person's life when you give up on that dream of replacing the decently paying job you lost with another decently paying job. Rand Paul, Republican nominee for Senate from Kentucky, believes that time is now.

In an interview with WVLK-AM in Lexington, Kentucky on Friday, Paul told host Sue Wylie he supported the Republican filibuster last week of more than $100 billion in emergency spending that includes extended jobless benefits. Paul said the bill must be paid before the extension is voted into law -- and if that can't happen, it's time for America's unemployed to face facts and stop holding out for jobs similar to the ones they've lost.

"As bad as it sounds, ultimately we do have to sometimes accept a wage that's less than we had at our previous job in order to get back to work and allow the economy to get started again," he said. "Nobody likes that, but it may be one of the tough love things that has to happen."

Paul also suggested that regardless of whether the benefits could be paid for with cuts somewhere else, it might be time for some people to just stop asking for government aid.

"I think the issue is bigger than unemployment benefits." Paul said, referring to government spending. "It's all about priorities, what is the priority. And sometimes tough decisions will have to be made."

"I'm not sure what the answer is," Paul said. "In Europe, they give about a year of unemployment. We're up to two years now in America."

Check out the audio. It starts at 2:48:

Audio of the entire show is available here, here, here and here.

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June 21, 2010 1:16 PM   

Out. Of. Touch.

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June 21, 2010 2:30 PM    in reply to ondioline

Dit.To.

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June 22, 2010 1:34 AM    in reply to fortunatolucchesi

Fuck. Head. Paul.

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June 21, 2010 2:54 PM    in reply to ondioline

This is Rand Paul's "nation of whiners" comment. But he's had so many of them, it's hard to pick.

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June 21, 2010 3:54 PM    in reply to ondioline

Look at it this way:

"Rand Paul Blames Americans, Absolves Obama for Unemployment"

We'll have the video tonight at 11, with Justin Beiber's visit to our studio, right after "CSI Des Moines".

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June 21, 2010 6:32 PM    in reply to Doc Magnus

Too funny!

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June 21, 2010 4:09 PM    in reply to ondioline

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
– Anatole France (1894)

At least we now have the foundation for Rand Paul's brilliant political philosophy.

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June 21, 2010 5:31 PM    in reply to ondioline

I discussed this here. Can anyone direct me to a Democratic leader pointing out the second thing Rand Paul isn't harping on? See the paragraph starting with And, another problem with Paul's remark

Of course, harping on that would cost the Democrats power at the same time as it helped the unemployed, so forget that.

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June 21, 2010 10:45 PM    in reply to ondioline

Yes, you are out of touch. Rand Paul on the other hand knows what needs to be done to stop growing the debt.

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June 21, 2010 1:17 PM   

This fool can't sympathize with anyone going through something he hasn't experienced himself. Typical conservative. He hasn't the first idea of what unemployed people do to find work, and has no interest in finding out if his first assumption is right.

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June 21, 2010 6:35 PM    in reply to ericf

Yes, he has no concept that one cannot survive on a lower wage. In addition, if you get a crappy paying job after having a good paying job, then get laid off again, your new unemployment benefits are based on the low salary of your crappy job.

Rich Libertarians REALLY have no clue. And in his case, he would have been rich no matter what due to his father.

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June 21, 2010 7:13 PM    in reply to ericf

A lack of sympathy is a constant in members of the Republican Party. It's astounding, especially for people who claim to be religious in any way.

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June 22, 2010 10:29 AM    in reply to ericf

I am guessing people like Paul are the reason this Tea Party guy is endorsing a Democrat. http://operationpitchfork.blogspot.com/2010/06/this-texas-tea-party-activist-supports.html

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June 21, 2010 1:23 PM   

die of a heart attack rand paul

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June 21, 2010 4:17 PM    in reply to hansolo1317

But first, get treated by a non-certified doctor.

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June 21, 2010 4:20 PM    in reply to jeffgee

LOL! That's funny!

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June 21, 2010 4:26 PM    in reply to jeffgee

and after your heart attack, get a better hairpiece if you're being laid out in an open casket.

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June 21, 2010 1:24 PM   

Shut up and get back to work. I hope the Dems in Kentucky are thanking him for more ammunition.

Definitely out of touch, but also the result of a silverspoon in his mouth for his whole life.

Wonder if he understands that if some of these people take lower paying jobs, and loose the unemployment they have that we will see another wave of foreclosures?

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June 21, 2010 1:33 PM    in reply to vasu

Understand? Yes.

Care? No.

After all, the magic hand of the free market will make everything right again, don'tcha know?

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June 21, 2010 1:38 PM    in reply to vasu

I can see Jack Conway's commercial now: "Rand Paul wants you to shut up and get back to work."

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June 21, 2010 1:31 PM   

Tell companies to start hiring, and THEN tell people to quit whining and get back to work.

Please?

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June 21, 2010 3:58 PM    in reply to aq

absolutely!!!

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June 21, 2010 8:35 PM    in reply to Pam

Amen!

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June 21, 2010 4:02 PM    in reply to aq

Ask Dr. Rand Paul how many additional workers he is going to hire. Obviously he won't be laying any off, right?

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June 21, 2010 4:10 PM    in reply to aq

I don't get his logic. How does a laid off engineer taking a job at Walmart "allow the economy to get started again?"

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June 21, 2010 4:42 PM    in reply to tchamp77

Very carefully.

Let me tell you a story on how trickle-down economics work in a Rand Paul-ian America...

First you have to build your own business harnessing chickens for currency. Make friends with reclusive genius rapists who develop motors that run on sunshine and free will. Then you have to have a lot of money, and focus it on demolishing standards of conduct to allow more personal freedom and choice, with minimal supervision in order to allow for less expenses on your already non-taxed income to make even more money. You use that money, as you wish, to pay your slaves... er, 'working class' people who have low-ish IQ's, who you're just planning on replacing with highly efficient machines that you import from even less fortunate parts of the world, as in America, machines are cheaper than people...

This eventually leads to great profit margins, and lots of jobs for those with the ability to take them!

Those people, on the other side of the river, they are just lazy, they don't go to the best schools. They don't apply themselves, don't work hard. They get what they deserve.

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June 21, 2010 6:17 PM    in reply to aq

By Ayn, I think you've got it!

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June 21, 2010 1:35 PM   

The guy whining about his medicare reimbursement rates telling people to suck it up and get a job for less money to get the economy moving again. Gotta love it.

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June 21, 2010 2:33 PM    in reply to DrToast

I can understand the necessity of accepting a lesser position making less money. People did this in the 80s, after all. I was there. From my perspective, I saw a few people like that in the Army, people with college degrees taking jobs as enlisted personnel with starting pay grades of E3 or E4.

My question for Rand Paul is, apart from the Army and Marine Corps, where are these jobs? Is he aware that there are, on average, five people competing for every unfilled position right now? That doesn't sound like we're a nation of lazy deadbeats to me.

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June 21, 2010 2:42 PM    in reply to Steaming Pile

My point was that he's asking people to do something that he isn't willing to do.

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June 21, 2010 2:51 PM    in reply to Steaming Pile

Funny how that moral flaw of laziness seems to suddenly descend on people in waves -- and to vanish when jobs actually do become available. The real laziness is in Rand Paul's refusal to think.

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June 21, 2010 5:57 PM    in reply to AJM

I call it The Virtue of Inopportunity. It is easy to criticise the plights of others when you have never experienced what they have, because you haven't had the opportunity. In Rand's case, he's led a pretty rich, protected, and sheltered life, in spite of the specious line his dad spouts about enforcing personal responsibility on his children. Rand has no clue about or interest in how the rest of us live. So he has to just assume that anyone who's not living the life has got to be morally lacking and lazy.

What a dick.

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June 21, 2010 3:47 PM    in reply to Steaming Pile

"I saw a few people like that in the Army, people with college degrees taking jobs as enlisted personnel with starting pay grades of E3 or E4."

Guilty as charged.

As far as the Army was concerned at that time, if you had a Bachelors', then you entered as an E-3 and were automatically promoted to E-4 once you had 120 days' active service.

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June 21, 2010 4:01 PM    in reply to Steaming Pile

I just recently applied for a job and the interviewer told me that they only had 1 position and they have recieved 1,300 application!!!!! I don't know what Rand Paul is drinking.....I guess it is TEA PARTY BS!!!!

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June 22, 2010 6:59 AM    in reply to DrToast

But that's because, as Paul has pointed out, doctors are ENTITLED to make a good living.

Just remember that when Paul talks about "priorities."

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June 21, 2010 1:37 PM   

Most people on unemployment have worked more than 99 weeks which is the maximum right now. So, let's say you've been working for 20 years straight at the same job or several different ones. Each week for 20 years the government takes out taxes for unemployment insurance. Now, because of Republican policies, as we saw during Bush's 8 years many of us were laid off. These same GOPer and a few idiot Blue Dogs think it's OK to cut you off because the jobs haven't come back? I say the bastards should do the responsible thing and extend Unemployment Benefits at least another 6 months! It's my money, not some hand out!

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June 21, 2010 3:32 PM    in reply to roxsteady

Actually, unemployment benefits generally are based on employer-paid taxes, the taxes didn't come out of your paycheck. Of course, the problem with a down economy is that there are fewer payroll taxes funding unemployment. But as Paul himself said, "I'm not sure what the answer is", so his policy is to do nothing. Yep, there's a bright mind. At least he could take the same Palin-endorsed approach to the oil spill, and pray to God to solve the unemployment benefits funding problem.

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June 21, 2010 4:45 PM    in reply to sawgrass

Using that same argument though, 50% of a person's Social Security is also paid by the employer. So for all those tea bags saying they deserve their SS because it's their money, they would be at least 50% wrong?

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June 21, 2010 5:44 PM    in reply to sawgrass

That's right; our tax money went to Goldinsacks and AIG, among other find corporate concerns. It did not go to UI; ergo, the unemployed have no complaint and no right to UI.

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June 21, 2010 1:38 PM   

"Get back to work"

Yeah. So what if you were an executive earning six figures? You want to avoid starving to death? Get a job serving fries at minimum wage.

Oh, wait..no fast food manager in his right mind would higher someone who's fallen that far from grace when he can get a dumb teenager who he/she can exploit.

Enjoy begging on street corners in Rand Paul's America

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June 21, 2010 2:29 PM    in reply to EnnuiDivine

Even that won't work. You cannot live on a minimum wage job.

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June 21, 2010 2:36 PM    in reply to Spyder308

True. People like Rand Paul who spout nonsense like that should be forced to live for one month on $7.35/hr. This includes the typical housing arrangement someone making minimum wage might scrounge up, and the smoking, rusted out 1988 Oldsmobile one might drive.

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June 21, 2010 3:10 PM    in reply to Spyder308

Absolutely right. You can't really even make ends meet at wages slightly above minimum wage, as Barbara Ehrenreich so dramatically demonstrated in Nickel and Dimed. It's not that I didn't realize that life near the bottom was tough, but that book was still a real eye-opener for me.

One of my colleagues was let go about a year ago when his position was eliminated. He's in his 50s, he's got two pre-teen children, and he has diabetes. He really needs a job with health insurance not just for his family, but for himself, because he's otherwise uninsurable. And at his age, those jobs just are not that available. The last I heard, he had had a few nibbles, but nothing had come of them.

In case the GOP hasn't been reading the job statistics, we were LOOSING jobs for a while, and we still are not adding them at a pace that is sufficient to keep up with the growth in the population. It's not just as simple as "get another job" -- the jobs aren't there. They have been shipped overseas or they simply vanished when the financial sector nearly imploded.

Rand Paul is a despicable little worm.

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June 21, 2010 4:10 PM    in reply to slb

I don't usually play Grammar Nazi, but this one irks the hell outta me and I see it all the time on the Internets:

It is LOSING. Not LOOSING. Loosing = to make something loose; to loosen; as in a screw or the lid of a jar.

Losing = what a loser who loses does. That's what we're talking about here.

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June 21, 2010 1:39 PM   

"As bad as it sounds, ultimately we do have to sometimes accept a wage that's less than we had at our previous job in order to get back to work and allow the economy to get started again," he said.

Note the hilarious use of the pronoun "we." And the laughs just keep on coming from this half wit.

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June 21, 2010 1:40 PM   

He knows what it feels like to be piled on...yup

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June 21, 2010 1:40 PM   

I'd like to hire someone (for less money than they made in their last job) to wait outside Randy's house and say "Hey Rand, Fuuuuccckkk Yoooouuu!!!" and flip him the finger with both hands whenever he comes outside.

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June 21, 2010 1:57 PM    in reply to Morbo

I'd chip in for that - can we start franchises in some other districts? :)

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June 21, 2010 2:00 PM    in reply to Morbo

You could probably find someone to do that for free.

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June 21, 2010 1:44 PM   

Rand Paul is a breath of fresh air in American politics! When will Rand cut loose once and for all from the GOP homogenization machine that is trying to prevent him from speaking the truth to the American public about the great issues of the day? At last a new political voice summoning America to face up to the hard choices facing us in today's world. Rand knows that there comes a time when real Americans have to stand on their own two feet and stop putting their hand out endlessly for government handouts.

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June 21, 2010 1:54 PM    in reply to barryashe

Like his old man who was an Air Force flight surgeon before he went into politics?

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June 21, 2010 2:11 PM    in reply to Ernest

Or Rand himself, who has received about $32,615 a year over the last four years for his participation (as a doctor) in the Medicaid program and an unknown amount from Medicare.

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June 21, 2010 2:53 PM    in reply to barryashe

You mean he hates the rich?

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June 21, 2010 3:03 PM    in reply to barryashe

Sailorboy, is that you?

BTW, if you are not sailorboy, you should be cringing in shame.

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June 21, 2010 3:17 PM    in reply to barryashe

If they only HAD two feet to stand on. Unfortunately, they were mangled with a sledgehammer by W and the robber barons a few years ago.

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June 21, 2010 1:48 PM   

When you have to start with "as bad as that sounds", maybe you shouldn't say it at all. Otherwise, you're probably doing your opponent's job and will most likely end up as a soundbite.

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June 21, 2010 1:49 PM   

The GOP is all about "tough love", well, minus the love part anyway.

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June 21, 2010 1:52 PM   

Said like a man who's never worked a shit job a day in his life.

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June 21, 2010 3:14 PM    in reply to Ernest

Sounds like a man who has never had to worry about where his next paycheck is going to come from, or how he's going to manage to stretch what he's got far enough to cover the basic necessities. Like food and clothing.

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June 21, 2010 1:56 PM   

tough love for the middle class and poor, but you assholes express endless sympathy for corporations and the rich.

And this moron seems to think that those who used to have good salaries can easily get a lower paying job. It's come to the point where people have to dumb their resumes in order to get an interview.

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June 21, 2010 1:57 PM   

says the doctor son of a congressman

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June 21, 2010 1:57 PM   

Earth to Paul---THERE ARE NO F---ING JOBS--high paying---low paying---no paying---NO F---ING JOBS.

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June 21, 2010 1:58 PM   

Let's see him accept a lower wage, How about the people who can't even get a job at a lower wage. But he's getting paid to talk about people who don't right now. Sure it's easy to say accept a lower paying job, it's getting the OFFER for a job that comes first. We have no problem coming up with funds for other countries, we'll even give Greece money for their hard economic times but when it comes to Americans it's one big slap in the face. We're more worried about giving *illegal* immigrants rights than helping our own people. I'm not looking for a hand out or to collect unemployment longer than I have to I just don't want to be homeless while they fund every other country and leave us hanging.

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June 21, 2010 4:11 PM    in reply to Arianna

We're more worried about giving *illegal* immigrants rights than helping our own people.

Wait, what? Where did this come from?

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June 21, 2010 1:58 PM   

Dems should threaten to cut Rand Paul's bread and butter and see how he handles that.

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June 21, 2010 3:47 PM    in reply to Viva!America!

I'd like to cut something else of Rand Paul's and it ain't his nasty hair. Does this guy own a fricking comb. I am sure his breath and his underarm stink too.

What a disgusting sorry excuse for a human being. I thought his father was bad but he even has his father beat.

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June 21, 2010 2:01 PM   

it may be one of the tough love things that has to happen

You and your family may go homeless, but only because we love you.

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June 21, 2010 3:17 PM    in reply to agio

What do you want to bet that he'd be one of those people behind the anti-homeless measures, too?

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June 21, 2010 3:56 PM    in reply to slb

Absolutely.

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June 21, 2010 2:05 PM   

Every time he opens his mouth he offers yet more proof that he is a complete and total a**hole with zero understanding of our founding principles and our constitution and no understanding at all of how real people live their real lives.

What part of "promote the general welfare" does Rand Paul not understand?

He seems to think Ayn Rand's books are blueprints for running a country. Those books are just fiction Mr. Paul. And really poorly written fiction at that.

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June 21, 2010 6:04 PM    in reply to several

Not to mention, written by a complete sociopath.

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June 21, 2010 2:05 PM   

When did the American Nightmare replace the American Dream? Why braindead Dems can't attack these folks as destroyers of the American middle class is beyond me

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June 21, 2010 3:17 PM    in reply to bluebell

I would like to know that too. Why can't Dems hang this hateful bullshit around Rand Paul's neck and sink him like a rock?

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June 21, 2010 3:45 PM    in reply to bluebell

Because the right will turn it into "class warfare" and all the poorly-paid drones will come out in defense of the rich. That's what always happens when politicians want the rich to pay their fair share and to close tax loopholes for big businesses. The serfs rebel against their own best interests.

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June 21, 2010 3:50 PM    in reply to Hobbes83

Ignore Blueballs. She only knows how to bitch. Just blame everything on the democrats. She and Rutabaga Ridgeopole and anyone who bashes Obama are the best of friends.

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June 21, 2010 5:48 PM    in reply to Hobbes83

It IS class warfare! Democrats are either afraid to fight it or in the other class. Remember the howls when a handful of folks on Wall Street were asked to forego bonuses? Driving down middle class wages IS class warfare.

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June 21, 2010 2:05 PM   

How can this idiot get elected to the senate? Oh, that's right, it's kentucky. Our country is circling the drain and the reich wing is pooring drano down it to make us go down faster. Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.

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June 21, 2010 2:24 PM    in reply to Michael A

How can this idiot get elected to the senate?

We'll see about that...

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June 21, 2010 3:28 PM    in reply to hunter

As ridiculous as it sounds, Rand Paul is still the favorite at this point. Kentucky is a conservative state and has strongly trended Republican at the federal level since the Clinton years. Jack Conway can win, but it's going to take a barrage of powerful, devastating ads. Conway certainly has the material to run those ads. But does he have the money to run enough of them?

It could be a situation similar to what Lee Fisher faces in Ohio - an opponent with some very glaring vulnerabilities but who has such a large edge in campaign money that Fisher can't take advantage of it.

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June 21, 2010 2:05 PM   

The arrogance of this man to just presume that the 15 million unemployed people are not taking jobs as they come available. As if taking a handout is not one of the hardest and most depressing acts in most people lives, especially when you've been working for your entire life and have a family to support.

Forgetting the fact that far too many of the job losses are not to do the natural employment cycle but are instead due to the reckless and deliberate acts of irresponsible banks and financiers, it is incredibly INEFFICIENT for highly skilled people to work for minimum wages instead of high value added professions that they are qualified for. As many people have pointed out, most employers are not going to hire some former VP of marketing to flip burgers.

And, how does Mr. Paul think these people are going to pay their mortgages on minimum wages? Because that's all we need right now, more mortgage defaults.

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June 21, 2010 2:07 PM   

ultimately we do have to sometimes accept a wage that's less than we had at our previous job in order to get back to work and allow the economy to get started again

"And sometimes your previous job paid so low that it's actually not possible for a replacement to pay any less. This is why we must repeal the minimum wage immediately, so people can get back to work and allow the economy to get started again."

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June 21, 2010 2:10 PM   

What makes Mr. Paul think the unemployed are turning down jobs waiting for better offers with more paid, doesn't he know unemployment only pays a part of your former pay. I don't know of any jobs going unfilled because the American worker is living high off of unemployment. I hope the voters of KY let him stay in the job that he has now.

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June 21, 2010 2:14 PM   

Mr. McMorris-Santoro:

It's not $120 billion in jobless benefit extensions. It's a $120 jobs package that includes "...tax credit extensions, jobless benefits, and aid to cash-strapped states for Medicaid", to quote Fox News.

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June 21, 2010 2:15 PM   

Mr. Paul is a professional whiner who, through the privilege of under-taxation, is free to do nothing productive at all. He fills his time complaining of the screams of the destitute.
Which level of hell do you belong in?

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June 21, 2010 2:16 PM   

Yes, because the option is that there IS a job to get. Moron.

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June 21, 2010 2:21 PM   

The question that I have for the economists is this:

If unemployment benefits average around 35%-40% of the typical earned income of the recipient when s/he is working, how does prolonging benefits make it likely that the worker will refuse to go back to work if s/he has the unemployment benefit?

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June 21, 2010 2:21 PM   

Idiot. My father has maxed out his unemployment benefits after the entire department of which he was the head was closed. He HAS taken any job he could to get to help make ends meet: he's sold cars, tended bar, installed garage doors, mowed lawns, etc. But there's tons of people competing for every menial job, and it's hard to get hired as an overqualified man in your fifties.

Then, a new auto plant opened in his area, promising jobs in exchange for tax breaks, but, instead of using local companies to design and build the plant (his field of expertise), they trucked in cheap immigrant labor and hired a European firm for the design. They then promised they'd hire the main work force from the area, so he swallowed his pride and went back to community college (keep in mind that he has a college degree and professional certification) to learn machine tooling. But that promise isn't panning out either.

The bottom line is this: instead of blaming the participants, it's time to start looking at the problems in the system that have gotten us to where we are. We need a modernized "new deal" for this century.

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June 21, 2010 3:23 PM    in reply to Bama Belle

Amen.

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June 21, 2010 2:27 PM   

Hmmm.... and employees accepting less money for the same work... who does that benefit, again?

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June 21, 2010 2:29 PM   

The unemployed should form a phony board to certify themselves in their desired professions.

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June 21, 2010 4:13 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

(tip jar)

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June 21, 2010 4:18 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

Not just tip jar - tip hat! Very good one.

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June 21, 2010 2:34 PM   

Most Americans agree with that sentiment. They've been conditioned away from empathy. You know empathy, that gurlie-man, female, librul stuff.

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June 21, 2010 2:39 PM   

I also enjoy the way people who don't know the first thing about Europe are always talking about the way things are done in Europe, as if they are experts on the subject.

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June 21, 2010 3:25 PM    in reply to Virginia

Notice that he was not so eager to copy European ideas of providing health care.

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June 21, 2010 2:40 PM   

It may be true that unemployment benefits last for a shorter time period in Europe, but it is also true that nobody loses their health care when they lose their job either. We'd probably be amazed at the flowering of small, independent businesses if we just took care of people's health care needs whether they have a job or not. Why is that not a right? Do we tell the unemployed that their kids can't go to school now because they have no job, or that the police won't come to their house to investigate a burglary or the fire department won't put out a fire, because they don't have a job?

It would be much easier I think to tell people to find a job, any job, if they had some of the basics covered, as they do in Europe. It is true though that you can make unemployment too generous. There are folks in Europe who would just as soon stay unemployed, as the benefits are quite generous on the dole.

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June 21, 2010 3:27 PM    in reply to Jackie

+1

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June 21, 2010 2:42 PM   

"As bad as it sounds, ultimately we do have to sometimes accept a wage that's less than we had at our previous job in order to get back to work..."

Really? Genius! Wish I'd thought of that. Oh, wait, I did.

What an asshole.

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June 21, 2010 2:43 PM   

Apparently RP hasn't noticed the reports of a hundred or more people applying for two jobs. Looking for work right now is a joke. Employers are in the drivers seat and are using this to drive wages down and weaken labor more than it's already been weakened. But the cost of living has continued going in the opposite direction. Not to mention government at all levels are doing all kinds of crazy things to increase tax revenue. I bet that after this there will a very long period of economic stagnation because workers just don't have the means to buy stuff. And it's people like RP who don't care one bit as long as they get theirs. Nor does he understand that working 60 or 70 hours a week forever for $8 or $10 is not a life.

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June 21, 2010 3:15 PM    in reply to thepeoplechoose

And it's people like RP who don't care one bit as long as they get theirs.

You've hit upon the Libertarian credo, most succinctly put as "Fuck you, I've got mine.".

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June 21, 2010 2:48 PM   

I'm not a Rand Paul supporter nor a TPer, but I do have a question for everyone bashing him and this latest statement:

What is the answer then?

Clearly, there is simply not enough work to employ everyone that needs it at the income level they need. Sure, this is of our own doing over many years, but it seems that to say he's "out of touch" oversimplifies what we can actually do under the circumstances.

How long can the country support everyone while they wait for a job that pays what they need? Can we just keep borrowing while jobs keep disappearing? We can't seem to replace them at the rate they are being lost so it seems to be a losing battle.

Even the smartest progressive solutions need money we don't really have, but can't afford not to spend.

Everyone can keep bashing him, but he seems to have at least one of the pragmatic points of view. We'll have to make the best choice we have available according to our own circumstances.

I'm just a guy, but it seems to me there are not really a lot of good choices at the moment.

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June 21, 2010 3:21 PM    in reply to hsdell

Most people aren't waiting for a job that pays the same. No one talks enough about how employers will look at your resume and cross you off immediately because you are over qualified - even though you are more than willing to accept the pay that they listed in their ads. I mean, why else send a resume? Over the weekend I read on Yahoo that some employers are actually crossing off people who were unemployed because they fear that you were laid off for performance reasons NOT lack of work. OMFG! And let's not forget age discrimination. The competition is also fierce as hell. I'm here in NYC and if you don't get your resume in as soon as a position is posted, good luck. Hopefully your resume makes it in the first 50 out of 200 resumes that are sent in the first day. Then you have to hope that the hiring manager actually has the time and patience to go through those 50 resumes. Shit, some of these advertised positions aren't even available.

Anyone who says "just" do this or that is completely out of touch and has never had to deal with long term unemployment or unemployment for any length of time. Sounds just like Rand Paul.

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June 21, 2010 3:29 PM    in reply to Viva!America!

Sounds like most conservatives/republicans to me. My sister asked me one day when I was trying to have a thoughtful conversation with her about health care - the question she asked was" Why do so many people not have health care?

How do you even begin to respond to a question like that =- because apparently she is so far removed from what is happening in the real world. Her husband left her well off - she has no worries. She can get up in the morning and do whatever she wants to do or nothing at all = and unfortunately the folks like her all feel the same.

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June 21, 2010 8:26 PM    in reply to chameleon

Until I got to your 2nd paragraph I thought your sister was a six year old.

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June 21, 2010 3:39 PM    in reply to Viva!America!

I understand your point.

I don't know where you heard "just" do this or that--I listened to the radio interview clip and didn't hear him say anything like that.

Anyone dealing with limited finances has to set their own priorities to spend within a budget. I don't understand why everyone thinks it is so unreasonable for him to say that, or how "being in touch" with how difficult it is to get a job changes the available choices.

Who has a response or position on this that makes sense to you?

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June 21, 2010 3:39 PM    in reply to hsdell

I've always wondered why it has to be 100% unemployment for 10% of the workers, rather than 10% unemployement for 100%. I could work 36 hours a week, get a secure 90% of my income and head out early on Friday, and for every 9 workers who drop back to 90% employment, we would create one new 90% full time job that would pay the mortgage.

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June 21, 2010 3:40 PM    in reply to hsdell

How long can the country support everyone while they wait for a job that pays what they need? Can we just keep borrowing while jobs keep disappearing? We can't seem to replace them at the rate they are being lost so it seems to be a losing battle.

What would you suggest? Work camps, poorhouses, soup kitchens? It's just so inconvenient when people don't just disappear when their jobs go away. Or are you suggesting that Soylent Green is the solution to the current plague of useless mouths?

In short, if the rest of us don't help out (that's what government is about, by the way) the consequences will immense.

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June 21, 2010 3:46 PM    in reply to hsdell

Who the heck is looking for a similarly paying job? Everyone I know who has been out of work is either already in a lower paying job, or still looking, and they aren't dismissing jobs that pay 20, 30 or sometimes even 50% less.

Your comment, like Rand's, lacks an understanding of what is actually going on in the job market for the unemployed right now.

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June 21, 2010 3:51 PM    in reply to hsdell

The solution is to grow the economy to provide the jobs for the people who want them. And that, unfortunately, takes deficit spending until the economic engine is sufficiently primed to be able to run sufficiently well on its own. This means that the deficit hawks who are insisting on "balancing the budget" are doing precisely what will ensure economic stagnation and long-term unemployment.

See Paul Krugman's column today: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/opinion/21krugman.html?hp

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June 21, 2010 4:27 PM    in reply to slb

Truth.

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June 22, 2010 2:58 AM    in reply to slb

Yup. Doesn't seem to be any way around that.

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June 21, 2010 4:40 PM    in reply to hsdell

The answer *was* to disincentivize the export of skilled American jobs over the last two generations. This goes on even today; witness the abuse of the H-1B visa program. Corporations will develop impossible-to-fill 'laundry lists' of qualifications that they want a candidate to have for a given position, more-or-less secure in the knowledge that they won't find a viable US candidate, which gives them all they need to ask for an H-1B slot. My wife was a recruiting director during the dot-com era (and I was a traveling IT consultant); we've both seen it happen time and time again.

Of course, when it came time to hire the laundry-list guy, the qualifications had diminished somewhat; the idea was to get an inexpensive coder or DBA shipped over from South Asia and pay the hapless guy half of what an American employee would expect. He wasn't expected to build applications that Captain Picard would use on the USS Enterprise -- he just needed to be able to write code to specs.

At any rate, another portion of the answer -- and something we can do now to redress past failures -- is to *incentivize* the repatriation of overseas profits and the creation of domestic jobs.

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June 22, 2010 3:03 AM    in reply to Signalman

Yes, I understand that one--I'm in the same biz (IT) and have had to work with those offshore developers on occasion.

But it seems to be a losing battle to regain those jobs. With many countries pushing hard on both tech education and English, a huge percentage of those jobs may be gone for good.

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June 22, 2010 10:36 AM    in reply to hsdell

I fear you are right.

All the more reason to find a new industrial sector/industry to incubate and grow. Green energy would seem to be a great place to start. Let's incentivize R&D for solar and wind power generation plants, as well as providing tax sweeteners for home-optimized installations. Let's incentivize cities and counties to capture methane from their landfills so it can be used for power generation. Let's provide low-interest loans for businesses who want to produce solar and wind plant components so we can get people back to work in the kind of good-paying factory jobs that were once the economic backbone of the country.

I'm sure you can add more meat to those bones, or even suggest another area where we might be able to start building up a next-generation industry.

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June 21, 2010 5:23 PM    in reply to hsdell

Okay, so we can't afford to keep paying unemployment benefits, even though there aren't any jobs for these people. What do we do? Drop their unemployment and throw all of those people, and the families that they're trying to provide for, into a great big shit can and bury it?

The premise is wrong. How can you say we can't afford to either pay the unemployment benefits or create living wage jobs? Think about the amount of food that gets thrown out in America everyday. Think about the number of iPads, iPhones, Xboxes, and other expensive toys for people with too much money and/or too much time on their hands. How many of those are sold in this country? You can find that money for unemployment benefits in the luxury and waste of the average American without even getting into the extreme excesses of the top 1% income earners. If you want to go look at the top, just raise the top tax rate to what it was under some of our past Republican presidents (skipping over the last one) and we shouldn't have any trouble affording unemployment benefits or fixing the unemployment problem.

Oh wait. The wealthy are the sacred cow. It would be mean to ask them to make a sacrifice. Okay, let's just gas the unemployed.

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June 22, 2010 3:12 AM    in reply to chimpale

So, you seem to be restating the problem, which is clear, but not sure what you're point is as to solution.

I don't see how you can find the money in the luxury and waste--it's already spent. Seems you're suggesting tax on those types of spending. Can't see how that will make any difference creating enough private sector jobs or unemployment benefits at the rate we're going.

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June 21, 2010 2:48 PM   

In some of America's communities there aren't any of those fine, lower-paying jobs to be had. Those jobs are already filled. Maybe I should just camp on Ron Paul's doorstep and see if he'll feed me. Kind of like the old "Lazarus and Dives" folksong. Though, really, I doubt that the outcome would be any different.

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June 21, 2010 3:58 PM    in reply to Alice Venturi

In some of America's communities there aren't any of those fine, lower-paying jobs to be had.

And to those who would say, "Well, then, they'll just have to relocate," it is important to point out that it's not so easy to do that if you own a home (whether or not you have a mortgage on it) that you cannot sell. Not to mention that it would often require leaving behind the all-important support networks of family and friends.

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June 21, 2010 2:51 PM   

So if he lost all his Medicare and Medicaid money, would he then, perhaps understand what would happen if he, as a "highly trained" professional suddenly lost a huge chunk of his income as a way to get the economy moving again?

What he seems to forget is business isn't hiring, PERIOD! Next he will say that if all those damn illegal's weren't here, all the Americans would do those low wage jobs. He seems to overlook the "very small fact" that even low wage jobs take training. Even burger joints have safety standards and regulations, I suppose he wants those to end as well, as they take away from the business!


One can only hope that voters in KY are listening to how he will put their jobs in jeopardy....for the good of the economy. One wonders what he pays his office staff and nurses - minimum wage?

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June 21, 2010 2:53 PM   

the gift that keeps on giving.

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June 21, 2010 3:48 PM    in reply to neesy08

If you like a piece of crap with curly hair.

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June 21, 2010 3:04 PM   

"As bad as it sounds, ultimately we do have to sometimes accept a reimbursement that's less than we had previously in order to get the country back on track..."

Rand Paul's opening address at the annual convention of his own medical certification board. NOT!

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June 21, 2010 3:09 PM   

"As bad as it sounds, ultimately we do have to sometimes accept a wage that's less than we had at our previous job in order to get back to work and allow the economy to get started again."

In what conceivable way is that controversial?

As to the rest of it: come on guys (editorial team). There is crazy and insensitive, and certainly Rand Paul is guilty of that at times. But you're starting to be guilty of dressing these things up because you have a hard-on for a candidate. Rand Paul said nothing approaching "Quit whining and get back to work." Here he's giving a very standard middle-of-the-road Republican take on unemployment benefits, not altogether different than just about every Republican and a good portion of centrist Dems too. I would daresay you could run this headline for a huge majority of the Republican candidates this year, or anybody who has ever expressed any reservations about unemployment benefits or a desire for people to wean off them - from Bill Clinton to Barack Obama.

Seriously, there are certainly extreme positions in the modern GOP. This is not one of them. This is something that the two parties have a generally good-faith disagreement on. You're essentially suggesting that you can't support not extending unemployment benefits beyond 15 months without being batshit insane or evil or totally callous and insensitive. That's nuts. Rand Paul certainly is capable of going off the reservation of moderate American political discourse. He is not doing so here, and at this point you're openly pot-shotting to feed a narrative.

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June 21, 2010 3:15 PM    in reply to BradCrossedPond

Maybe not controversial, just stupid and out-of-touch. It implies that unemployment of >9.7% is due to people just holding out for something better.
In what conceivable way is that realistic?

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June 21, 2010 3:35 PM    in reply to BradCrossedPond

Agreed. It's not that it isn't by itself true, it just doesn't take into account the facts on the ground. As if the wave of unemployment we have would dissipate if everyone would just suck it up and take a lower paying job. The fact is, a lot of people have. People really do- in general- try to survive. And a lot of people double or triple up on jobs to survive and each one of those additional jobs takes a job from someone else. Yes, that's a fact of life. But to couch it in a way that makes it sound like there are just a bunch of people laying around waiting for "the perfect job" is just absurd. And out of touch. Add in the people who actually have a certain amount to get by. No, not to keep the cable on or buy some luxuries, but to feed their kids and make sure they have clothes and necessities. It's not actually a sign of weak character if you are trying to actually provide for what you need. There are many people out there that COULD take a minimum wage job, but that would only allow them to say, "Yes, I have a job." The fact that it takes up time and pays back too little to keep the family going is also important.

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June 21, 2010 4:07 PM    in reply to BradCrossedPond

To imply, as he does, that the main unemployment problem is just that people are too spoiled and lazy to take lesser jobs than the ones that they had strikes me as QUITE controversial. It's not the unemployed who are so out of touch that they don't realize they have to lower their aspirations; it's Rand Paul who is out of touch not to realize that the biggest problem is that the jobs simply aren't there, that there is a 5:1 ratio between the number of unemployed and the number of available jobs.

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June 21, 2010 3:20 PM   

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June 21, 2010 3:30 PM   

Gee, Rand, I know it's the right thing to do, to take what's available rather than holding out for that job that pays as well as your old one. But, those unemployment benefits are just so generous. Who wouldn't want to just keep collecting unemployment checks forever?

Ya clueless a-hole.

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June 21, 2010 3:34 PM   

"In what conceivable way is that controversial?"
True enough, really, Paul's answer to unemployment is for people not to be unemployed. The same hard-headed logic can fix the oil spill - the fix for that is for there not to be an oil spill. This is pretty basic, people.

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June 21, 2010 3:40 PM   

Yeah, BP. Stop whining and pay for fucking up the Gulf. Jebus, these corporations are such fucking WHINERS!

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June 21, 2010 3:43 PM   

Stop whining and GIVE BACK your payments from Medicare v& Medicaid, Dr. Paul!

And see your income drop by half.

Could you still pay your bills?

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June 21, 2010 3:44 PM   

Perhaps we unemployed should become politicians? But wait, I wasn't born with a trust fund or a silver spoon, so I'm not well-heeled enough to throw my hat into the ring. This is he best democracy money can buy?

In reality, if we stopped pouring money into the twin sinkholes of Iran and Afghanistan, our budget problems might gradually ease. And, if corporations could be forced to break their addiction to slave labor, labor might have a chance at creating lives for themselves.

Finally, as sad as the political situation appears to be in Kentucky with the likes of Rand Paul basically saying "Suck it, bitches", the all-GOP TN legislature thinks it's solved all of our most pressing issues, because all they wanna do is get guns into bars. Let's face it, what mixes better than liquor and firearms? Raw oil and gulfwater marine life, maybe?

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June 21, 2010 4:13 PM    in reply to Garry

Perhaps we unemployed should become politicians?

Well, so far it seems to be working for Alvin Greene...

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June 21, 2010 3:46 PM   

On the one hand, what a penile-encephaleptic. On the other hand, he's probably a perfect replacement for Jim Bunning, isn't he?

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June 21, 2010 3:47 PM   

Seriously, Rand Paul is a genius. He is going to put every Miss America out of work. He has unwittingly solved all the world's problems.

The solution to unemployment? Get a job.
The solution to childhood hunger and world starvation? Eat something.
The solution to a bad economy? Buy something.
The solution to homelessness? Move into a house.
The solution to war? Don't go to war.

He's a jeenius! Who would've thought it was so easy?

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June 21, 2010 3:53 PM   

So essentially Mr. Paul is advocating that Big Government tell American they need to find a low-paying job and get back to work? Government involvement in basic choices of freedom for all Americans?

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June 21, 2010 3:53 PM   

And this is the "libertarian" who endorses no changes to Medicare or Medicaid because doctors should be able to make a living. Hypocrit of the first order!

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June 21, 2010 4:01 PM   

I'd have more sympathy with his position if he ever had to give away all his money and do some actual work himself

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June 21, 2010 4:05 PM   

Dude knows whereof he speaks. Now that everyone knows he's certified by Randy's Cut-Rate Ophthalmology Certifyin' Board, he'll make even less when he returns to work after losing his Senate bid.

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June 21, 2010 4:13 PM   

Locking in the Baby Boomers' votes, are you Randall? They're getting laid off after years of service at lots of companies. Good luck getting anything that pays the bills

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June 21, 2010 4:14 PM   

Maybe he'd like to take a job in the Optical Department at Wal-Mart.

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June 21, 2010 5:31 PM   

That should make 420,344 people very unhappy(total population of KY is 4,041,769 with 10.4% unemployed)...hope they are all registered to vote.

Doesn't Rand remember what he said about illegal immigrants: "They take our jobs" and other malarkey? Of course not because Rand Paul is non compos mentis. He simply does not have a clue and he is running for public office. He and Bunning make a great pair...there is not even a half-wit between the two of them

When he opens his mouth, have the honey bucket ready 'cuz that's all that will pass thru his lips.)

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June 21, 2010 6:24 PM    in reply to Seatower

If you are using "honey bucket" in the military sense of the word, then I wholeheartedly agree.

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June 21, 2010 7:41 PM    in reply to commie atheist

Yes, it was used in military parlance.

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June 21, 2010 5:32 PM   

Does Dr. Paul support the government stepping in to create jobs where the private sector will not?

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June 21, 2010 5:40 PM   

I'll bet he has still got his good paying job and is not willing to take the pay cut that he expects me to take. No thanks, there is already a guy in the white house with his head in the clouds. Why would we want another one?
Maybe one day we'll get a guy that knows the awful reality of hunger with no next meal in sight. I aint holding my breath though.

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June 21, 2010 7:24 PM   

Does RP take chickens and other livestock (or their parts) for payment...like before WWII? (His words.)

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June 21, 2010 8:30 PM   

I disagree with Rand Paul's comments. That said surely there are projects that the unemployed could work on that would result in a better America and not just the handouts for unemployment.

There is a need to help people when they are out of work but these same people could be doing something productive for the nation such as working to clean up litter, helping in national and state parks, painting public facilities, etc. and doing many other public service projects.

Anyone who gets free money handed to them should be required to do something productive in return. It would help our country and encourage them to find a job.

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June 21, 2010 8:31 PM   

Said the man with the hair weaved into a thinning do.

Guys will leave their hair "messy looking" to make it harder to spot the obvious signs of this, and it works. People just notice his hair is a mess, not the incongruent nature of it as it is.

The presidential ticket that Repugnicans dare not speak - Paul/Paul 2012. Who is on top? It doesn't matter, because either way it would be the end of the Republican party as we know it.

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June 21, 2010 8:57 PM   

My husband isn't too proud to take a lower paying job and would be grateful for the opportunity. However, no matter how many minimum wage jobs he applies for, no one is going to hire a man in his 60's when they can get a young person for the same amount.

A job is more than money; it's a measure of self worth and right now, my husband could really use some. Comments like Paul makes do not help the situation at all. Some of those who have jobs don't seem to think those without them are even human.

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June 21, 2010 9:36 PM    in reply to Andreams

Your husband is part of an army of over-60s who could fill an incredible number of useful jobs, but are not given a chance. And that's the point Rand Paul misses or chooses to ignore. CNN Money has an article about general discrimination against the unemployed at http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/16/news/economy/unemployed_need_not_apply/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin

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June 21, 2010 10:50 PM    in reply to Rob

Why would any company discriminate against an older applicant if they're capable of doing the job?

I wouldn't be surprised if you support some new Civil Rights Act to force companies to older people. The absurdity never stops with progressivism.

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June 22, 2010 7:24 PM    in reply to Amin

Unfortunately, courts have already ruled that it's okay to age discriminate. Incredible but true. As to your question re why they would discriminate, all I can do is guess since they won't tell the truth, cost of health insurance, physical appearance, belief than an older person won't follow instructions as well as someone new to the workforce, and a multitude more.

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June 21, 2010 10:47 PM   

Rand Paul knows what America needs to do. 'Progressive' policies of borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from foreign countries, are not sustainable. The current deficits are going to hurt the future generations of Americans. Spending has to be cut now, and any one that doesn't acknowledge this is selfish.

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June 22, 2010 10:37 AM    in reply to Amin

Progressive policies, eh? You're at least two wars, an unfunded drug policy & two Presidential terms behind, at least. The outrageous deficits created by those policies are hurting us NOW & are the reason why we are even having this conversation.

Are you the spawn of Herbert Hoover?

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June 22, 2010 3:25 AM   

As someone who has been looking for work, any work, for months now, here's what I have to say to Rand Paul: Jump out of a plane and land anus first on Winchester Cathedral. Or simply the nearest sharp, pointy building. (And take Sailor's newest incarnation, Amin Khad, with you.)

If there was work to be done, Fucktards, we'd be doing it. Keep living on taxpayer money...It's the best you'll ever manage.

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June 22, 2010 10:28 PM   

With a son like Rand Paul, does Ron Paul need any enemies?

Rand, please get a clue about how there is a shortage of money because people were driven into debt slavery. Hence unemployment is rising. Meanwhile, ponder debt-forgiveness or better, a debtor and saver bailout based on the principle of justice. See Deuteronomy 15 and Leviticus 25 if you claim to be a believer.

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June 24, 2010 12:51 AM   

Over the years, many of our jobs went overseas, otherwise we would have had a decent pool of jobs to apply to. Thank you "Corporate America" for that.

TARP money used correctly should have included rules to help consumers who got tangled in this credit mess, so they can pay off their debt. A huge mistake there. Oh, silly me....Bonuses has to be paid first ... Don't worry...my bosses got theirs after I was let go from my company...money left over I guess...

Overhauling our transportation system, i.e: switching to hydrogen fuel or a suitable renewable alternative today would build a solid footing for America. Even if we don't have all the answers ironed out but the need for solutions will spark creativity and opportunities to move us forward. Hope you realize that this is only one out of a million ways to make positive changes for us. TARP money would have been wisely spent this way....BUT, don't pay attention to me..I'm not one of your leaders.....

I am paying the price for the lack of foresight and intelligent decisions made by our elected and corporate leaders and you are bellyaching to me?

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