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Las Vegas -- Senate candidate Sharron Angle (R-NV) revved up a conservative crowd today, even as she denied her pre-primary win statements on phasing out Social Security.
Addressing the conservative convention RightOnline at the Venetian casino this afternoon, Angle was hailed for pledging to "permanently repeal the death tax" and for saying she stands with Arizona's new immigration law. She has become a conservative darling in her bid to unseat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV).
Angle repeated her desire to shut down the Department of Education, saying that it and other federal functions should be left to the states. She also said if elected her vision is, "One nation under God, not one nation under the government."
Angle's remarks on Social Security were the most likely to be new political fodder in an increasingly competitive race. The TPM Poll Average is Reid 44.0% to Angle 43.1%.
During Angle's less-than-10-minute speech, she outlined her philosophy to cut the deficit and talked of her "simple" campaign plan she calls "Pay back, cut back and take back." To start with she said the government should pay back the $2.5 trillion that's been "raided and pillaged out of the Social Security fund."
"I've never said I want to eliminate, I always said I want to save Social Security by paying back. But to do that we have to cut back," Angle told the crowd of more than 1,100 attendees to mild applause.
Of course, it takes just a few seconds to find video of Angle's now-famed quote on Nevada's "Face to Face" television show that, "We need to phase Medicare and Social Security out in favor of something privatized."
Angle said the government could use leftover stimulus funds and money paid back from the TARP program and "put that money into that Social Security fund that would send a clear message, not only to seniors that we're acting in good faith, but also to our businesses that we really understand we need to go in a different direction and that different direction is not charging up on an already maxed out credit card."
Angle said lawmakers should take a look at the Constitution and "re-read the part that says the federal government has enumerated powers and says everything else is for the states."
"Pay attention to our founding fathers, they knew what it takes to be a free nation," she said.
Angle said that since winning she's received many small donations from across the country, adding, "I get the sweetest notes." She closed with "We have the right angle to defeat Harry Reid."
I shot some video as Angle was introduced and when she took the stage. Watch:
Last night I spoke with a California member of the tea party who explained why she believes Angle is an "icon." Watch:
Reid speaks to the progressive event Netroots Nation this afternoon. Follow our coverage here.
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mcc
July 24, 2010 4:17 PM
Remember back when libertarians used to say they were different from theocrats?
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mibwilso
July 24, 2010 5:48 PM in reply to mcc
Libertarians who say stuff like that aren't really libertarians. They're just far-right Republicans who disown their party.
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CityGuy
July 24, 2010 7:51 PM in reply to mibwilso
Exactly. A true Libertarian is against government control over guns and abortions. Against Political Correctness (whatever that is) and religious interference in government.
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davewtf
July 25, 2010 9:15 AM in reply to mcc
That was one scary line. She's no libertarian. She's a straight-up ignorant theocrat. It is so scary that these people try to rule this nation according to the supposed rules of their sky-god, while ranting against other theocracies like Iran.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
July 25, 2010 12:51 PM in reply to davewtf
Well, in a sense, she's the perfect libertarian. In the nearly hackneyed, if usually truncated, words of Emerson, "[a] foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." Libertarian ideology is the intellectual space where Emerson's foolish consistency meets reductio ad absurdium. Religious loonyism can snap into that kind of mindset like one Lego into another.
Little minds like Angle's latch on to libertarianism because it allows them to assume a pretense of intellectualism without having to bother with a lot of pesky complexity and relativism and moral ambiguity. One or two facile truisms suffice to explain all things and generates the one, only, indisputably "correct" policy for all matters of public concern.
Which, come to think of it, is an equally apt description of communism, fascism, Broderism, Friedmanism, the various religious fundamentalisms that afflict the world, and the Democratic Leadership Conference.
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mJJ
July 25, 2010 10:38 PM in reply to davewtf
Aside from all that she keeps lying even when it is possible for people to produce the speech where she wanted to kill social security. Of course, for me, I have payed in to Social Security since I picked fruit when I was a teenager. I expect Social Security to be around long after I am dead and gone. But this drip not only lied about her wanting to stop Social Security but it is on a tape. For her to deny what she actually said is worse than the statement she made. She has a right to her opinion but to deny what she said is just a big lie. Liars are not to be trusted. I am a Republican but I say, "Go, Harry Reid" this lying woman cannot be trusted.
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JonBrownzBody
July 24, 2010 5:02 PM
Wow. While entertaining, the cognitive dissonance is utterly remarkable.
"One nation under God, not one nation under the government."
"Pay attention to our founding fathers, they knew what it takes to be a free nation," she said.
Sharron knows that the Citizens of this country worship more than one God....and that many don't worship a god at all. Tellingly, she doesn't say 'under a god', but rather 'God' as a singular entity not subject to interpretation.
She also knows that the founding fathers established a a government made up of laws, and specifically one that is not subject to the interpretation of a given church, a consortium of religions or religious leaders.
So, her statement clearly indicates that she stands in direct opposition to the intent of the founding fathers she regularly quotes. Which, of course, would make her un-American and an anti-Patriot.
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toddincabo
July 24, 2010 6:35 PM in reply to JonBrownzBody
Yep..nothing new there..they all crawled out from under the same turd.
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david hilton
July 24, 2010 10:32 PM in reply to JonBrownzBody
The Founding Fathers also disallowed women, blacks, native americans and mulatto's from voting. Only Free White men could vote - is that the America the TEA Party is trying to win back?
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CanisDirus
July 25, 2010 3:13 PM in reply to david hilton
Good point!
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jeffgee
July 25, 2010 10:24 AM in reply to JonBrownzBody
"Pay attention to our founding fathers, they knew what it takes to be a free nation"-
is her meaningless way of showing that she "loves" this country more than the liberals do, which is all that matters to the Tea partiers.
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YellerKitty
July 25, 2010 10:38 PM in reply to jeffgee
Well said, jeffgee. It's not necessary to be coherent in order to rouse the rabble, as long as the requisite number of patella-popping phrases roll out accompanied by a perky smile and an enthusiastic nod from an immaculately coiffed head. The speaker already knows the audience has surrendered whatever cognitive abilities may have once impeded their progression toward perfect me-too-ism.
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justaJ0e
July 24, 2010 5:17 PM
Yeah ... I noticed she didn't specify which god.
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Common Sense Caucus
July 24, 2010 5:31 PM
That thing (angle) is a fascist, true threat to the safety of Americans. Her election would be catastrophic. Donate to Harry Reid! Harry helped push through Health Care and Unemployment benefits! This Angle organism would leave Americans dying in the streets. She is a disgrace to herself, her family, anyone who has ever cared about her, and most of all, she is a disgrace before God.
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rip
July 24, 2010 5:33 PM
You have to love conservative accounting - let's use borrowed money to pay back the money we borrowed.
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JonBrownzBody
July 24, 2010 5:50 PM in reply to rip
C'mon now rip. This is progress. Last time around, they started not one, but two wars, and a completely new prescription drug entitlement program....none of which was accounted for in any manner whatsoever. At least now they are attempting to apply some sort of accounting principles.
Probably because god told them to.
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FlownOver
July 24, 2010 6:20 PM in reply to JonBrownzBody
To say nothing of the tax cuts that shifted more and more of the burden off the filthy rich and onto the middle class – likewise on the national credit card. The freakin' amazing thing is that they're talking about doing it again, and they expect people to buy it again.
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barrelhse
July 24, 2010 9:56 PM in reply to FlownOver
I'm afraid that ignorance and stupidity will rule the day here, in our formerly educated and successful country. Funny how these assholes want to dismantle the Dept. of Ed. and replace it with belief in a mythic fairy-tale. Oh, wait, it's THEIR mythic fairy-tale...must be the best thing for everyone else or they'll kill you.
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Hank
July 24, 2010 5:50 PM
Come on, Nevada! You can do it!
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Max Thrax
July 24, 2010 5:51 PM
Reid, the only Dem with less balls than Obama.
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BrownEye
July 24, 2010 9:17 PM in reply to Max Thrax
Mister, I assume you are a mister, I'm a nobody and know that intelligence is more important than balls. You must be a nobody too.
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LadyBlahBlah
July 25, 2010 2:49 AM in reply to Max Thrax
Why worry about the size of someone's nuts?
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It's Pat
July 25, 2010 11:41 AM in reply to LadyBlahBlah
He's not. This is just a way to detract from the Angle story and bash Reid & President Obama.
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Ahmedsaid
July 24, 2010 6:27 PM
Ooooohhh, Sweet Sharron, with that lovely, lustrous auburn hair. Just let it grow a bit longer, Milady. Old Hangdog Harry learning how to play Chinese checkers.
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cwnidog
July 24, 2010 6:49 PM in reply to Ahmedsaid
Sailor, typing with one hand again, I see.
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donquijoterocket
July 24, 2010 6:50 PM in reply to Ahmedsaid
I often wonder if those wingers who are constantly writing mash notes to those females of their sort they consider "pretty" ever got out of middle school.Maybe you could get someone to pass her the note.I'm sure she'd be thrilled. Then you could move on to Princess Sparkle Caribou the Temptress of the Tundra and batshitcrazy Shelley. Obtuse Angle keeps making campaign appearances and Senator Reid's chances increase.
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crazycarnypoptart
July 26, 2010 7:43 AM in reply to donquijoterocket
I love that, obtuse angle ought to be her new nickname
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July 24, 2010 7:25 PM in reply to Ahmedsaid
That's really worse than usual. Are you sick? Flu? I heard it's going around.
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barrelhse
July 24, 2010 9:59 PM in reply to Ahmedsaid
She has the nicest teeth I ever came across.
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John M
July 25, 2010 1:34 AM in reply to barrelhse
Probably as false as the notion that she has a brain.
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It's Pat
July 25, 2010 5:20 AM in reply to barrelhse
She stays away from that government flouride in the water.
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BrownEye
July 25, 2010 11:00 AM in reply to barrelhse
That's a good one. I'll take that as one in the gutter but I might put a bag over her head.
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donquijoterocket
July 26, 2010 12:46 AM in reply to BrownEye
Might want to double bag that one
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1audiofile
July 24, 2010 6:47 PM
The actual truth is that the government is paying back the money they borrowed from Social Security WITH INTEREST. For the government to pay the money back all at once, it would have to RAISE TAXES. It appears that is what she is advocating,,,She wants to RAISE TAXES.
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shag11
July 24, 2010 6:49 PM
Right-wingers lie so much, she probably believes she never said it. John McCain lies so much, I don't think he'd know the truth if it slapped in the face.
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donquijoterocket
July 24, 2010 6:53 PM in reply to shag11
No you forget the wingnut standard for public utterances. If the statement she's alleged to have made was not delivered in exactly the words and order cited then they never said it.
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Dadzilla
July 24, 2010 9:37 PM
The problem Ms Angle, is the part where you have said your in favor of privatizing Social Security.
We have this thing called recordings which, while highly technical, I assure you is neither witchcraft or a leftist conspiracy.
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slb
July 25, 2010 4:12 PM in reply to Dadzilla
Except that she would argue (disingenuously, but since when has any right winger shied away from being disingenuous?) that "privatizing" Social Security is not the same thing as scrapping it. It is "saving" Social Security, because of course, government programs never work; therefore, Social Security as a government program is ultimately doomed. Only private retirement programs work. Just ask former Enron employees.
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Dadzilla
July 26, 2010 1:12 PM in reply to slb
"Just ask former Enron employees."
Or for that matter Worldcomm, General Motors, Dana, I don't doubt either of us could lay a long list out there.
Ms. Angle's plan is no doubt heartily endorsed by the brokers/ scam artists of Wall Street.
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Nancy Irving
July 24, 2010 10:27 PM
Does she not know, or is she pretending not to know, that paying back the monies owed by the general fund to the Social Security trust fund means raising taxes, not lowering them?
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TheIronCage
July 24, 2010 11:57 PM in reply to Nancy Irving
She's a lying idiot. Only a lying idiot would say that spending $2.5 trillion dollars is a tenet of deficit reduction.
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July 25, 2010 10:58 AM in reply to Nancy Irving
I think she doesn't know and if it were to be explained to her she wouldn't understand. The far right has so thoroughly embraced the notion of trickle-down economics that they cannot accept that there's an alternative theory that works. Despite it being proved multiple times it doesn't work, they continue the myth because they get their money from the rich and not us poor folk.
A lot of these people are near militant in their religious beliefs but are actually pretty poor in doing WJWD. The vast pool of Christians who believe in being a good person are so overshadowed by the hypocrites who take a "do as I say and not as I do" approach to everything that it's causing a divide and making a lot of people angry at all Christians, just like how these folks are angry at all Muslims.
Take the deep South, where I'm currently residing, where there's plenty of Southern Baptists who control city councils and whole counties. They have blue laws based upon their religion, however don't practice the abstinence themselves and go out of town to drink and drive home. They set up tax structures to keep the blacks out of the nice schools, because as a guy from Hattiesburg, MS told me the other day, "down here in the South, when you get a bunch of blacks together they cause trouble."
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Captain Crunch
July 24, 2010 10:43 PM
Can't you see the Reid ad on TV, Sharron Angel saying she wants to get rid of SS, Sharron Angel saying she never said that.
Flip....flop....flip....flop....
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barrelhse
July 25, 2010 9:33 AM in reply to Captain Crunch
Wait- are you really lim, selling flip-flops?
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Mrwilson1
July 24, 2010 11:28 PM
If anyone follows the markets, Im not sure I want my retirement "favor of something privatized".
The tea bags are not telling you what your world will look like if they get their way. And Angle speaks but doesnt know herself.
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pmb50
July 24, 2010 11:44 PM
Hey Harry were is your adexposing this lying lunatic. Harry where are your balls
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TheIronCage
July 24, 2010 11:52 PM
This woman is dumber than Sarah Palin. I can't get over how fucking stupid she is.
"Pay attention to our founding fathers, they knew what it takes to be a free nation."
Why tell the truth when lying is so much easier? Where do I begin?
-slavery, to be owned isn't to be free
-only white male landowners could vote
-Native American land grabs and genocide, reservations don't make people free
-there was a first version of the constitution that failed miserably, and it granted the majority of power to the states with a weak federal government
-some of the framers wanted a monarchy
-the holy masterpiece that they created almost fucking fell apart less than 100 years after it was formed (the Civil War) due to the giant "oversight" of slavery.
-Native Americans couldn't legally practice their indigenous religions from 1883 until Jimmy Carter signed the Native American Religious Freedom Act of 1978 (19fucking78!), that doesn't sound free to me
-Gay people still can't be married in almost every state due to people who think God talks to them
In a country that claims all men are created equal, the reality has never met the ideal. People have always been beholden to other, more powerful groups in this country, and to deny that is dangerous. Control, like progress, is dynamic. If we ignore the injustice that appears to be inherent in our way of being, then how can we fight against it?
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calbearinillinois
July 24, 2010 11:59 PM
Gotta love someone who claims everyone else needs to read the Constitution then misqoutes it. Nowhere does the document say the only powers of Congress are the enumerated ones - a striking difference between the Articles of Confederation (which stated Congress only had those powers explicitly granted by the states) and the Constitution (which empowers Congress with the ability to pass all "necessary and proper" legislation to carry out its responsibilities). The 10th Amendment doesn't say anything about enumerated powers, either - just the idea that there is no power vacuum in that any powers not granted the government are reserved to the states.
If she doesn't believe me, maybe she'd believe John Marshall, whose opinion in McCullogh v. Maryland back in 1805 took on this very issue and found the government's authority under the "necessary and proper" clause extended to chartering the US bank (a non-enumerated power). But I guess Founding Fathers only count when they agree with her.
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inokeah
July 25, 2010 12:22 AM
I know that any change to social security scares the frankin out liberals.
This is the base, I think, Sherron Angle is thinking on:
I retired 10 years ago. My grand dad took me to a financial guy when I got married. I worked and invested on his advice.
I now get: Soc Sec = $1400. Union Pension = $1200.
Business investment = $2800. These are monthly income amounts..
You tell me where the money is?
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John M
July 25, 2010 1:46 AM in reply to inokeah
Your company pension is only $1200? Our company pensions in Canada are between two to three times that amount, then you add Canada Pension Plan and Old age Security Pension plus what you ahve in a Registered Retiorement Savings Plan. Of course we have had $1200 a month more in our pockets (much of it placed in Registered Retirement Savings Accounts)paying for health care through taxation and then having far better health care from cradle to grave than you Amercians have, despite your wasting the $1200 a month on health costs for inferior health care in the US while we have that $1200 a month in our pockets.
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slb
July 25, 2010 4:24 PM in reply to inokeah
Congratulations. You have been lucky. Maybe you entered and left the working world at ideal times in the business cycle. But many people are less lucky; they they enter the cycle at times of very low growth, or there is a precipitous plunge in the market near the end of their working lives. These are things that nobody has any real control of. The best you can do is to hedge your bets, so that the vagueries of market timing don't wipe you completely out.
That is the purpose of Social Security: to provide a floor below which nobody will fall. If you can take your discretionary funds and do better, that is all well and good. You are even better off than you might otherwise have been. But your Social Security money is always there as a backstop.
I do not understand what is wrong with that. It would seem to me to be the prudent, conservative, thing to do.
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Common Sense Caucus
July 25, 2010 1:27 AM
Crush the fascists like angle! No platform! Antifa!
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logicpath
July 25, 2010 1:42 AM
Doesn't she realize the Trust Fund will be paid back, when Social Security needs the money, most likely from money borrowed from the public. In essence, the debt owed will be transfered from the Trust fund to some other Treasury Note holders.
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Scott in PacNW
July 25, 2010 2:11 AM
The 'death tax' thing always cracks me up.
You're DEAD. At that point I guarantee taxes won't matter much to you.
Your heirs, on the other hand, should have their income taxed as income just like the rest of us. No free ride.
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LadyBlahBlah
July 25, 2010 2:52 AM
She is a nut. She is truly a nut . . . and dumb. Doesn't she realize the founding father's did not want a nation forced to be under God . . . but under law? Guess not.
~sigh~
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nick
July 25, 2010 6:18 AM
The phrase ONE NATION UNDER GOD WAS ADDED TO THE PLEDGE ( WHICH WAS WRITTEN BY A SOCIALEST) BY THE GOVERMENT
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BrightLightsBigCity
July 25, 2010 8:47 AM in reply to nick
Yes it was. That phrase... "one nation under God..." was added to the pledge in 1954 during the Joe McCarthy witch hunts. So.. does that mean the U.S. of A. was a nation of infidels before 1954?
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JDinBalt
July 25, 2010 9:50 AM
Reid had better damn well play audio from both Angle's insisting she never said she wanted to get rid of Social Security back-to-back with the audio from when she said she did. The only thing he seems to be ballsy enough to do is to campaign, so maybe we will see this happen!
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VAsouthernliberal
July 25, 2010 10:29 AM
These Teabaggers keep saying they want to take back the country. My question to these people: where dd the country go?
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alaric
July 25, 2010 10:35 AM
If inconsistency is a disqualifier then this president and his administration should resign immediately. The story changes every day with these guys.
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Ripper McCord
July 25, 2010 11:40 AM
More fiscal smoke and mirrors from a GOP tea partisan. "Pay back" the Social Security Trust Fund with money borrowed from China? Why stop there? Why not borrow enough money from the Chinese to fully pay off our whole national debt and then borrow more from China to pay off the Chinese? Thanks, Sharron. Now I know how to finally get free cable TV.
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July 25, 2010 11:57 AM
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JimmyBobby
July 25, 2010 1:52 PM
Um, Sharon? Honey? How's the government gonna "pay back" $2.5 Trillion without raising a pantload of taxes? Just asking, y'know, because, well...trying to keep us in reality. You've heard of reality?
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July 25, 2010 3:58 PM
TPM moderators: WAKE UP! Get the spammers off the site.
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July 25, 2010 6:21 PM
Every time I feel a bit morose, I only need a look at Sharron Angle to feel much, much better. So we only need a glance at our "Founding Fathers" (of course, women need not apply)to be whispered in my ear by their ghosts? Would I still be OK to include Thomas Jefferson and Tom Paine in the mix?
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Jimtoday3034
July 25, 2010 11:55 PM
Sharron Angle is an illiterate liar who talks in circles. She makes no sense at all, cannot truthfully explain her positions on anything, and cannot articulate what actions to take to achieve these results however unconstitutional. What a train wreck!
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