TPMDC

GOP Candidate: Obama And Carnahan Want To Take Away Your Chance To Find The Lord (AUDIO)

Spread the word. Share this article on Facebook!

Share

House candidate Ed Martin (R-MO)

Share

Twitter Fark Reddit Send to a Friend

Send to a friend!

To email:    Your Name:    Your email:

Ed Martin, a Republican candidate for Congress in Missouri, said in a radio interview with a conservative talk show host that President Obama and Rep. Russ Carnahan are trying to interfere with America's freedom to worship. Martin also has taken a swipe at Carnahan's sister Robin Carnahan, suggesting she is doing the "devil's work" as Secretary of State.

Martin said today the growth of government endangers religious freedom and the "ultimate freedom ... to get your salvation." "And I think that's one of the things that we have to be very, very aware of that the Obama Administration and Congressman Carnahan are doing to us," Martin said during an interview on the "Dr. Gina show."

Martin is challenging Carnahan (D-MO) this fall. The left-leaning FiredUp Missouri blog caught the radio segment and posted the audio tonight.

Host Gina Loudon asked if Martin is running as a tea party candidate. "I'm not running to be a Republican in Congress, I'm running to be in Congress," he said. Martin said GOP leaders have spent a lot of time cautioning candidates and said he does not want to be that careful. For example, he said, leadership instructed him early on not to say he'd repeal health care on the campaign trail. "I said no way. I will vote to repeal it."

Martin said that, "the tea party inspires me and supports me." Martin let loose when the Loudon said Missouri's 3rd district is one of the state's most religious. Here's the transcript:

One thing I like to say is: America is great, not because of our genetics. We're great because we created a place and space where people can be free. And they can choose Christ, they can choose to be faithful. They can worship, and they find their way to the Lord. And -- or some of them don't. We sure want them all to, but some of them don't.

Part of that freedom -- when you take a government and you impose, and take away all your choices. One of the choices you take away is to find the Lord. And to find your savior.

And that's one of the things that's most destructive about the growth of government. It's this taking away of that freedom. The freedom -- the ultimate freedom, to find your salvation, to get your salvation. And to find Christ, for me and you.

And I think that's one of the things that we have to be very, very aware of. That the Obama Administration and Congressman Carnahan are doing to us.

Listen:

Listen to the full interview here.

Fired Up Missouri points out that Martin said in 2009 that Robin Carnahan (running for Senate on the fall ballot) "does the devil's work."

Listen:


TPM readers will remember Martin, who featured tea party activists on his campaign Web site carrying signs deeming Obama as "marxist" and a "dictator."

Martin, a former chief of staff to former Missouri Gov. Matt Blunt (R), is making the race competitive. He had 478,000 in the bank at the last filing period. Carnahan had $529,000. But the Cook Political Report ranks the seat as "likely Democratic."

Late Update: Carnahan and Martin both respond. Martin defended his comments, saying government bailouts mean freedom of religion could be next.

This post has been updated.

Comments (122) | Join the Conversation!

Recommend Recommend (0)

July 12, 2010 8:54 PM   

And it's true! Because if you REALLY believe in the lord, a politician can definitely interfere with your conversations with that self-same lord. Oh, wait! I thought he was all-powerful, and created the earth etc. but he can't push aside a pussy politician?

Oh, well. whatever works for the ignorant masses, eh?

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

EH

user-pic

July 12, 2010 10:11 PM    in reply to CVille Dem

god indeed can, as long as that meanie satan isn't in the way.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:40 AM    in reply to EH

It's Satan's work: The Christianist escape clause for when God doesn't grant every wish.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 5:36 PM    in reply to jeffgee

That and "free will" the eternal get out of jail free card for their omniscient, omnipotent deity whenever things go awry.Someone above suggests looking behind the couch.I'd think you'd have a better chance looking in that closet they're instructed to go into to pray.But that's just me and I side with Billy Joel,"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints".I've always thought Jeebus was a socialist myself since I don't recall any price being placed on that communal meal of loaves and fishes.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 7:31 AM    in reply to CVille Dem

If God is everywhere, it is definitely in Ed Martin's toilet.

Whatever happened to "You shall not carry God's name before you into vain (earthly) pursuits."

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 1:08 PM    in reply to Richard L. Adlof

Ed Martin's God is a magic genie for him to whip out and rub whenever he wishes.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 7:41 AM    in reply to CVille Dem

we flog this pretty good.
http://guttertruth.blogspot.com/

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 9:40 AM    in reply to CVille Dem

What really upsets me is that we used to hear about these intellectually dishonest (or bereft), right-wing extremist wackos when we were sweeping up after a firebomb, cleaning up the rubble of a exploded government building, comforting grieving families, or sending in the specialists to surround some training compound out in the boondocks with bullhorns, vests and tear gas pellets. Now we get to confront them as they run for Congress (!) and our logical words and ideas about freedom and rule of law don't penetrate their thick skulls. Have fun trying to reason with Ed Martin and his ilk.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 10:51 AM    in reply to Lovelynina

Somebody remind me of who said it, but "you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into"

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 8:56 PM   

Is there something about conservative logic that I don't understand? Is there some third way of reasoning beyond inductive and deductive that leads them to draw conclusions that seem like they come out of their asses? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:15 PM    in reply to Darren

You're not the one taking crazy pills!

(OMG, I love your avatar!!)

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:45 PM    in reply to Darren

Yes, there is. It's the way where you just believe whatever you wish to, regardless of logic. Only the desired end goal matters. Facts and reasoning are merely props to be used when they can be made to appear supportive of the desired result, and which are ignored when they can't be.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 9:10 AM    in reply to new10

Ignored or just flat out pulled out of your ass.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 11:20 PM    in reply to Darren

Inductive? Deductive? How 'bout reductive?

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:01 AM    in reply to Darren

You practise up on your logic skills by believing that the infinite being creator of everything somehow had a son, an animal on a teeny sliver of your creation. Same kind of animal as you. Arising in a teeny part of the culture of that teeny sliver, which the infinite creator happened to like more than all the rest of creation. And that 2000 years after this guy died, he is still around somewhere and still the infinite creator of everything and is intimately interested in and involved in your life. After that, believing anything is easy.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:08 AM    in reply to Darren

I think it's the love of the simple solution. Reagan was a master of it. Government is the problem, big government is bad. So any problem (even imaginary ones) can be blamed on government. what I find more annoying is the fact that when Republicans are in power they love big government. Where were all the Republicans yelling about socialism when the Bush administration federalized the Transportation Safety workers. THAT was socialism, the government took over a whole private industry.
This guy is having a little snit fit because someone he disagrees with is running things for a while.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:44 AM    in reply to blkblt

But that was fightin' the terrists! No rules apply when fightin' the terrists. They want to destroy Amurrica.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 14, 2010 9:34 PM    in reply to Darren

Invective, redactive, and liturgical logic.

The validity of these you must take on faith.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 9:15 PM   

A reporter then asked, specifically how is president Obama, right now, taking away your right to prat to your lord? Specifically, or at least a moment where the government has taken away your or someone you knows ability to preach to whomever they believe to give them spiritual guidance. The only time I see our government interfere in things related to someone's right to pray or religious freedom is when the government decides it is in its best interest to not have a state religion, to not favor one religious belief or another, to secure religious freedom specifically by taken away any religious groups right to impose a standard representative by/of the government. To me that is the celebration of religious freedom. Maybe you believe that there is one dogma, one particular spiritual practice which is better for humanity, but many other would disagree clearly. In order to maintain a balance our government can not be seen and should not be seen favoring one religion or another but it would be ignorant to not mention that many in our nations history have been inspired and informed by their personal spiritual pursuits.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:25 PM    in reply to JoshQuasimoto

Everyone knows that most people only find Jeebus through suffering and tribulation. If we get an economic recovery and people aren't constantly being bankrupted by health care costs *and* hundreds of thousands of sons, fathers, daughters and mothers aren't deployed overseas, how will they experience enough stress to want to go to church?

Of course, none of the above applies to the rich, who are God's own chosen. That's another way that Obama threatens Martin's "religion": taxing the rich to help others is like saying God made a *mistake* making them rich in the first place.

Makes as much sense as the rest of what the teabaggers have been arguing... :)

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 11:17 PM    in reply to Matt Jones

Actually, there's a good deal of truth to it. Places that have universal health care tend also to have declining rates of religious participation. In the mid-1960s, the rate of church attendance in Canada was actually higher than in the United States. Universal medical insurance was introduced in the mid-60s as well, and now Canada's church attendance rate is a good deal south of 20%. Cause and effect? We couldn't say that without much more work, but it is worth study.

There's an interesting article on the decline of Christianity in Canada here, which attributes it primarily to alienating women, who then failed to bring their children to church, and so on....

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 12:14 AM    in reply to sagesource

The decline in the number of religious observors in Western democracies has been proven to coincide almost exactly with the decline in the number of pirates operating in the Western hemisphere. This has been going on a lot longer than Canadian single-payer health insurance. Wake up, people!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 2:52 AM    in reply to Alan in SF

LOL ALAN!!!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

zzx

user-pic

July 13, 2010 9:41 AM    in reply to alex

Yarrr, matey. Methinks this Alan be needin' a keelhaulin'. He knows too much.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 12:27 PM    in reply to Alan in SF

Good one, but the part about women getting alienated and then not bringing their children to church rings true. I got dragged off to church every Sunday as a kid and hated it. I never took my kids to church, although we talked about God and Jesus and Buddha. Neither of them are religious in the traditional sense, but both of them are spiritual people.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 3:28 AM    in reply to sagesource

Sagesource, that has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why would a country's health care system have ANYTHING to do with the population's church attendance? Your assertion makes no sense, whatsoever. Surely, you were just joking.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 7:49 AM    in reply to alex

It may perhaps be explained by the greater availability of mental health services.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 10:51 AM    in reply to barrelhse

And because of Universal Healthcare the government has regulations on Pharmaceuticals and so there reasonably priced generics.

SageSpurce is right on the money.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 10:52 AM    in reply to barrelhse

Beat me to it.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 8:48 AM    in reply to sagesource

First, there hasn't been a causal relationship between universal health care and church attendance established. Taking two sets of statistics and computing a correlation shows... a correlation. You can probably find a positive correlation between church attendance and the declining size of the polar ice caps.

Second, there's a monumental difference between the state telling someone what religious beliefs people can or cannot have, and the state simply not caring. Hint: it's the latter for the US and Canada.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 8:58 AM    in reply to sagesource

In the US, without universal health care, we've had declining church attendence for a long while.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 9:26 AM    in reply to sagesource

I've always maintained that once you take the afterlife out of one's worldview, the magical post-mortem justice-and-retribution mechanisms of heaven and hell, etc, (and even karma if misconstrued,) then your eyes truly do open up to the bulk of humanity's pain and suffering at the hands of the greedy and cruel, and then wish to end it.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 10:48 AM    in reply to sagesource

And there is an increase in drowning where ice cream consumption has increased! FACT.

What you say may be true in fact, but cause is not the same as effect.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:13 AM    in reply to Eric

Uh Oh, I love ice cream, and I can't swim...

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 5:02 PM    in reply to sagesource

Studies I seem to have misplaced show very convincing statistics to support the idea that steak tastes better in regions where dogs are more liquidly flatulent.

Also, I'm still trying to figure out what precise action Obama has taken or is taking that robs Real 'Mericans of their ability to worship White Jesus.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 9:29 PM   

In other words, Obama is bigger than Jesus! He's more powerful than God! He kicks Buddha's butt! He's got Allah in a half-nelson! He's got Vishnu all tied up in knots! Oh noooooooo!

Only the Flying Spaghetti Monster can save us now.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:00 PM    in reply to Phoebe Fay

Yeah they're getting into Tim McVeigh territory here. Same as Bachmann up in MN. IF Obama and his devil-inspired Democrats could do this to their God-fearing nation, then whatever needs to be done to stop them is justified. Scary, very scary.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:21 PM    in reply to Phoebe Fay

Right On, Phoebe Fay!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:31 PM    in reply to Phoebe Fay

What an adorable, WISE beyond her years, little girl
in a RED dress (LOL) ~ A Fan of Intellect (In Whatever
FORM it Arrives), DR. IVY

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 12:03 PM    in reply to Phoebe Fay

The Pope traps Jesus in a cracker every Sunday and this dude is worried about Obama?

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

mcc

user-pic

July 12, 2010 9:38 PM   

Obama and Pelosi are like the little invisible cartoon devils that follow everyone around in Chick tracts, trying to sabotage situations that might lead to people finding out about the word of Jesus.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:07 PM   

"Never have people done evil for cheerfully than when they do it in the name of religion." Wm. Sloane Coffin

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:08 PM   

Alright, so I understand two parts of the situation:

1. We live in a country where we are free to pursue salvation.
2. Politicians (such as Obama and Carnahan) are preventing us from achieving salvation.

But how are these politicians preventing us from achieving salvation? Not only is this a frivolous topic, there is no logic to it! It's finger pointing for Christ's sake!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:34 PM    in reply to Small Stakes

"It's finger pointing for Christ's sake!"

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 7:52 AM    in reply to kufr

Bong hits 4 jesus

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

mcc

user-pic

July 12, 2010 11:01 PM    in reply to Small Stakes

The question I would *REALLY* like to see them answer, I think, is *what religion do they think Obama, Pelosi, and Russ Carnahan are*? Because all three say they are Christian. But apparently not if they're actually working to take away the freedom to be Christian.

Obama's a Muslim, obviously, but I don't get what, say, Russ Carnahan wants. Is Russ Carnahan also a secret Muslim? Or maybe a secret radical atheist?

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:08 AM    in reply to mcc

Pelosi is of course a devout Roman Catholic, the oldest strand of Christianity. But not being saved by immersion or something, it doesn't count. She is the spawn of Satan. She doesn't even speak in tongues or wave her arms around and pass out in church or anything.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:49 AM    in reply to emjayay

A lot of Evangelicals think Catholics aren't true Christians.

Scriptures: The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which all other faiths are based.
-- Ambrose Bierce

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:15 AM    in reply to Small Stakes

I think the logic here comes straight out of the Book of Rove in which it is written that it doesn't matter whether or not what you say is true or whether or not what you say can be backed by evidence.

I suspect these Republicans know on some level that they are completely full of shit, but it doesn't matter because there is a segment of the population that wants to believe that Obama is the anti-christ and they want to be told that Obama is going to take away your freedom to [fill in the blank]. People like Martin are just confirming what they already want to believe and then it gets repeated over and over and over again on the only news source they get [Fox] until they work themselves up into a whirling dervish dither.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:51 AM    in reply to twoviragos

Whirling Dervish? What are you, some kinda Sufi?
Eek! The Sufis are gonna take away yer freedom!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:55 AM    in reply to jeffgee

Maybe to carry the Christian metaphor, I should have said something about speaking in tongues!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:29 PM   

The deeper issue here is the absurd split within the mindset of the average far-right conservative when it comes to Obama. On the one hand the president is a feckless idiot, completely incompetent and unable to steer the ship of state. On the other hand he is an iron-willed Hitleresque dictator, or the antichrist, or someone who can prevent average folks from getting salvation, or some weird combination of those.

It's very strange, though to be honest there were some who opposed Bush who took a similarly conflicted stance toward his presidency.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

AJM

user-pic

July 12, 2010 11:03 PM    in reply to Geoff Johnson

Left brain versus right brain? Failure of emotions to connect to facts?

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 8:00 AM    in reply to Geoff Johnson

This idiocy on the right, with its reverence for ignorance and disdain for intelligence, will surely be the ruin of this nation. Home-schooled leaders in today's world? Good luck with THAT, chumps.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 10:52 AM    in reply to Geoff Johnson

It seemed like with the Bush Administration, the question always came down to "Are they liars or are they really that stupid?"

I think the conclusion after multiple disasters and scandals (No WMD's, $9 Billion in cash lost in Iraq, Katrina, Financial meltdown, etc, etc, etc....) was that they were stupid liars.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:38 PM   

Depressing to see that (having not found a new Hinckley by accusing the President of being a Muslim, being a communist, and telling everyone he wanted to take away guns), the lunatic wing of the right has moved on to "destroyer of Christianity". WTF are they going to be saying in another TWO YEARS when he's still President?

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 2:01 AM    in reply to Matt Jones

They'll be saying, "here's how to set the timer on the fuse".

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:42 PM   

Just when I think one of these Jesus freaks has gone beyond the pale, another, even Jesus-freakier Jesus freak pipes up with something even more batshit. Please (non-existant) God, make it stop.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:42 PM   

I'm here to say that the government has taken away my right to get laid. Cuz I just can't get laid to save my life!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 11:34 PM    in reply to barnacle

It might help if you got rid of that Zoot Suit from the 40s.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 10:44 PM   

In our new improved nation, Christians (at least those who desire to rise to the level of honorees in Washington) believe that faith is found in amassing weapons, arming for war, killing men, women and children who happen to have been born in the wrong religious country... and Jesus is not near powerful enough to protect them from non christian human beings.

Apparently, their faith is lacking in one tiny concept... that God is all powerful...

Soo... in this new improved nation of ours, it is their sole duty to protect God from harm until He somehow gets better and can defend Himself.

I really don't know how He managed to take care of this world all these millenium without these spiritual giants...

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 11:04 PM   

Of course, the "freedom of religion" doesn't count for Islam. Or Judiaism (remember they love Israel for the end of days but hate Jews). Or Pagnism. Or Buddhism. Or normal Christians who aren't off the deep end.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 11:12 PM   

its in the Glenn beck bible/real constitution as written by Glenn of course

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 11:29 PM   

This guy is a pure pandering politician of the worst kind. And it's amazing how much like Newt Gingrich his voice sounds on that audio. If the people of Missouri want that, they should insist that he comes with a six year supply of diapers.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 12, 2010 11:48 PM   

If he's really serious about getting elected he needs to follow Sister Sarah's example and get that missionary exorcist back from Uganda and get him to vouch that he's free of demon possession. No one can do that like a Ugandan. It's like the Good Housekeeping Seal of Religious Approval. Absolutely Guaranteed Deliverance From Demonic Possession.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 1:21 AM   

Who knew Ed Martin had so little faith in God? Could it be that he has doubt that God is truly great and all powerful? Is he really agnostic? Surely, God is greater than Obama and Carnahan? Unless Ed Martin believes that Obama is more powerful than God and can prevent those who want to seek salvation through Christ.

Ed Martin thinks Obama and Carnahan are more powerful than God. Did he just violate the 1st Commandment? Wouldn't this make God jealous? Someone help me on this. Quickly!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 1:24 AM   

Wait, so Obama is bigger than Jesus? I thought that was The Beatles.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 1:53 AM   

There is nothing more dangerous than a religious zealot, no one more insane than the fanatic.

As the GOP moves farther to the right, they leave sanity further behind. It would be sad if it didn't threaten the country so seriously.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 5:51 AM    in reply to ZeraLee

Except for the fact they're Christians, can someone tell me what the difference between them and Fundamental Muslims? Both are willing to die for their cause or kill for it. Both are motivated by hatred and fear. And finally, both have armed forces at their disposal. Surely you've all noticed about how our armed forces are turning into "God's Army." Not that all the troops want this. But Rumsfeld has definitely encouraged this and there is major pressures on non Christians who want to serve their country.

Have you read "A Handmaiden's Tale" by Margaret Atwood? It was written in the 80s but it seems so prescient about the religious war these UltraChristians are trying to wage. It scared me the first time I read it.

I'd also recommend the movie "Z" which is a not so veiled film of the 1960's murder of a Greek politician who the extreme military right junta, who basically staged a coup and won, using citizens to install their rule of law. It's a cautionary look at what can happen when the armed forces are controlled by the military and not citizens.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 2:31 AM   

These people really can't be winning majorities in Nov right? I mean, we haven't all stepped into bizarro world in the bast two years have we? What the fuck is going on in America? We kicked these people out over the past 4 years, now they're back and 10 times the crazy and they might be in charge of govt? We are a fucking laughing stock.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 8:41 AM    in reply to NICKinNOVA

Sorry to be the one to inform you, but this isn't news in America. This country has been in the thrall of mouthbreathing, puritanical religious hypocrites and greedy politicians since Day One, and they haven't lost very much ground in the centuries since.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 2:44 PM    in reply to kunda311

Ain't that the truth!!!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 4:09 PM    in reply to kunda311

These are the direct descendants of the politicians like William Jennings Bryan who prosecuted the Scopes Trial in 1925. And don't forget - Bryan won that case in court.

But the publicity was so bad that it buried the evangelicals for fifty years. They had to quietly build their own schools and expand with their own radio and TV networks, reading the works of the dominionist from Armenia, Rushdoony and getting Pat Roberts to run for President.

As the American media has been dying, the Xtian media has been growing and buying the radio and TV stations the media abandoned to use for propaganda. Rove was able to get them into alliance with the money Republicans to support Bush in 2000 so that's when they really surfaced again after the Scopes trial.

Now they no longer have Bush, but they have a number of Senators (Coburn, DeMint, Ensign, Inhofe, etc.) as well as Congresspersons (including Michele Bachmann) and they have Sarah Palin and Huckabee to run for President.

They've been with us in the shadows like cockroaches since the Scopes Trial, and now they are back out in the light. They need to be sent back to the shadows. With their radio and TV networks I am not sure how that will work.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 8:40 AM   

God, please save me from your batshit-crazy followers. They've been giving you a terrible name for about 2,500 years!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 8:40 AM   

Salvation comes from within.

This guy is really pushing the blasphemy button, using ignorant people's fears and lack of real faith to bend their votes.

As for politics in general, especially in this nation today, this fellow is playing with the devil just by getting into the game. Especially now that corporations can legitimately spend money on campaigns.

He needs to read Luke 4, v 5-6.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:37 AM    in reply to JEP07

Their Bible is much like their Constitution. Much shorter because it consists solely of sentence fragments they've excised, reinterpreted and rearranged into something that doesn't offend their ideology (and, therefore, their God).

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 14, 2010 8:27 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

They create their God in their own image.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 8:51 AM   

Not sure if Martin got the memo, but he's running for office in St. Louis - which is a heavily Catholic area. The language of evangelicals is a bit foreign to people there.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 8:56 AM   

*blink*

In a week that's seen Ken Buck call the left a bigger threat than al-Qaeda, David Vitter supporting birther lawsuits, and Michelle Bachmann claim Obama is enslaving America (read: white people)...we now have this.

This kind of hyper-abrasive, JIHADIST rhetoric won't play in a predominantly Democratic (and Catholic) district. And, really, that's what Ed Martin is: a Jihadist. He fervently believes in his own ultra-orthodox brand of Monotheistic religion and believes anyone who doesn't believe what he believes is out to destroy his religion and will fight to defend it. Jesus must be rolling over in his grave.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 9:59 AM   

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

- Sinclair Lewis

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:05 AM    in reply to georgecs

Sorry George, I posted before reading everything. But, at least you know I agree!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 10:24 AM   

Hey...I have an idea...why don't you people look under some rocks for Jesus. Since this is obviously where you came from.

C

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 10:57 AM   

Huh?

This is like saying the popularity of Justin Bieber is taking away my freedom to listen to Led Zeppelin.


Freedom. It's not just some word, and true there are lots of different freedoms. Some say we lost freedom when they passed the health care bill-- the freedom to be uninsured (funny they don't also complain about being required to have car insurance), but many more got the freedom of being able to afford health insurance, and to no longer be shackled to jobs they hate just to keep their insurance.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:00 AM   

As Sinclair Lewis said: "When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in a flag and carrying across.". Sounds like a good description of this wing of God's Own Party to me.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:09 AM   

He never says how Obama is keeping him from the freedom of salvation.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:17 AM   

It's true. I was trying to enter my local evangelical church on Sunday for my Bible classes, and a phalanx of Obama's jackbooted Black Panther thugs barred the entryway, and Barney Frank was directing them. Bastards!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:35 AM    in reply to bluestatedon

You think that's bad? I was on my way to church to be cured of my Buddhist lesbianism and a bunch of Black Panther thugs kidnapped me and forced me to go to a mosque. Once inside the mosque we all had to turn and face the direction of Moscow (mosque, Moscow?) and sing praises to Stalin. Then they made me go out and find some wealthy people and spread their wealth around. But that's not even the worst of it! The worst of it is that I was then forced to put on a diving suit and swim out into the Gulf of Mexico so that I could prime another well to start spilling oil into the water so that way, more people could sneak across the border. All of that and they STILL wouldn't let me find Jesus so here I am, stuck with being a Buddhist lesbian.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 2:13 PM    in reply to ladyfractal

Sounds like a distillation of ConservaCrazy.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 7:03 PM    in reply to ladyfractal

Madam, I am intrigued by your comments and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:18 AM   

There are days when I'm ashamed to be from Missouri...

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 12:29 PM    in reply to Dadzilla

He obviously isn't from Missouri. He hasn't a clue about "Show Me."

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:23 AM   

Another guy that needs "personally introduced" to his lord.
The time is coming my friends.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:27 AM   

I only WISH it were so.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:29 AM   

If you are looking for Jesus, let me suggest you start behind the couch.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:56 AM    in reply to ladyfractal

Jesus was in the trunk of my car when I got home from Tijuana.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 12:15 PM    in reply to PSzymeczek

I KNEW that there was one less person in the car the last time I was smuggling people across the border! Give him back, I want my Buddy Christ!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:34 AM   

Well, now, let's see.

Foreigner? Check.

Thief? Well, he stole the election and wants to raise your taxes and give your money to Them, so, yeah, clearly he is. And really, aren't they all?

Drug addict? Once an addict, always an addict.

Arsonist? Well, at least metaphorically.

Adherent to black radicalism? Check.

Consorter with terrorists? You betcha.

Covert sleeper agent for International Islamocommiefascism? Check.

Traitor? Check, Check, Check, and Checkitty-check-check-check.

Degenerate homosexual pervert? Oh, hell yeah. And it's still going on, years after Larry Sinclair's fifteen minutes were up.

Murderer? Ted Bundy was a piker. Abortionist, war criminal extraordinaire, and apparently not afraid to do his own killing when necessary. Hell, Ted Bundy was a piker.

Here to take away our guns (which is, of course, much worse than murder and treason)? Check.

Here to take away our very ability to find salvation in and through the Our Sweet Lord Dear Baby Jeebus by, inter alia, expanding access to private health insurance, imposing regulations on Big Finance and, apparently, demanding that BP pony up money to cover some of the damage? Check.

Yep. Really not seeing anywhere left to go on the crazed, over-the-top accusation front except cannibalism and child molestation. Which, I'm sure, Malkin or Redstate will get to sometime before November.

No wonder Coulter seems to have dried up and blown away like a withered old weed. There's no top for her to go over any more.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:40 AM   

Just let these people keep talking for a few more months and most of them will hang themselves.

It's not part of the job description of the president to help anyone "find Jesus"--and I doubt that anyone would be able to find him in Washington.

In one congressional election, Abraham Lincoln's opponent demanded to know whether he expected to get to heaven or get to hell, and Lincoln, sizing him up responded "I expect to get to Congress"--and so he did.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 11:54 AM   

Sigh.

I don't know what's worse...

The absolute CRAP these right-wing monkeys say OR the individuals whom this sort of nonsense resonates with.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 12:00 PM   

We need to issue a strong statement for Superstitious Freedom.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 12:13 PM   

they can choose Christ, they can choose to be faithful. They can worship, and they find their way to the Lord.

And, of course, the freedom to hate godless sinners...

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 12:17 PM   

Obama wants to take away your chance, eh? Is it a lotto style deal? Religious roulette?
I'll tell you what, roll the dice & all's good except snake eyes, then you're totally screwed, salvation denied.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 12:21 PM   

When did Jesus get lost?

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 12:25 PM   

Time for the straight jackets and the rubber room for Ed.

What is it about those so called Christians, that they aren't really Christians.

I have yet to see someone who claims they are a Christian actually be one. Ed isn't a Christian at all.

Jesus was a Liberal.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

Don

user-pic

July 13, 2010 12:49 PM   

"Part of that freedom -- when you take a government and you impose, and take away all your choices." says Ed Martin....

Interesting comment coming from a man who would jail doctors and women if they had safe, legal abortions. I guess he is referring only to the choices that he would allow.

I don't know about anyone else, but I am so tired of all these "holier than thou" types who see no problem restricting the freedoms of people who don't believe or follow Jesus. After all, Jesus never did anything beneficial for my people but did allow those who would murder us in his name to get away with it. Thanks, but no thanks, Jesus.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 1:00 PM   

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 1:13 PM   

"One of the choices you take away is ..."

Thank God (pun intended) that the fine folks of Missouri still have the choice to send this twit packing.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 1:35 PM   

This guy is a fucking idiot, plain and simple.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 1:44 PM   

'Martin said today the growth of government endangers religious freedom and the "ultimate freedom ... to get your salvation."'

Be funnier, if the hypocrisy of the Republicans and the decay of their moral and ethical system didn't raise the distinct possibility that - if given the opportunity - they would "privatize" religion and make salvation a "for-pay" proposition.

It has certainly happened numerous times before within the last 2000 years, and I feel quite safe in calling the right - the Republicans - as much or more greedy than any other professed Christians who have been documented since 1 A.D.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 1:50 PM   

That's just crazy. The freedom to "find Jesus" will never vanish; it's the tasteless, unbridled freedom these people think they have to hawk Jesus that bothers me.


Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 2:21 PM   

Hey, I live in Missouri 3, in Webster Groves, and I've always felt it was one of the state's least religious districts... thank God! None of my neighbors are church-goers and there's a lesbian couple next door with a bunch of adopted foreign kids and they're a very popular family in the neighborhood. I'm sure Martin would find a Satan connection there somewhere. Carnahan is our US Rep and we have a Democratic state rep and a not *too* wing-nutty Repub state senator. The district to our west has Rep Todd Akin, one of the more religiuos whackos in Congress. But I've always thought the Branson/Springfield area as the most religious in the state... around Christian County. I don't think Martin has a chance here.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 2:33 PM   

I think this guy needs to find another profession instead of becoming part of the "enemy" of Jesus about which he is complaining.

Perhaps a preacher. "Church of the Ignorant"

After all stupid people like him deserve to find their Savior as well...and he could certainly provide that kind of personal example...!

Like someone so aptly pointed out above, if his God is so all powerful, how is it Congress or the President could out vote God himself and make it impossible for you or I or anyone to find "Him".

He seems to be placing an awful lot of power in the hands of Congress when even the Soviet Union could not squash religion.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 2:53 PM   

It never ceases to amaze me just how much bigotry spews forth from people who claim to be enlightened whenever the topic is religion. Your comments prove you aren't as enlightened as you tell everybody you are.

And before the bigot-mobile runs me over...I'm an atheist.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 3:00 PM   

RE: "And they can choose Christ, they can choose to be faithful. They can worship, and they find their way to the Lord." - Ed Martin
A VIDEO TRIBUTE TO "REVEREND" ED MARTIN
There Will Be Blood - Daniel's Baptism [03:38] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwkP7Gnp7ek

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 3:13 PM   

Sarah Palin and Ed Martin would make the perfect GOP ticket in 2012. "Send us all your Republican money or go to hell!"

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 3:26 PM   

I hate to break it to this ignorant saltine but, Jesus isn't real. Like Peter Pan, it's a nice story but, it's not real. If ANY OF YOU SEE JESUS, WAVE TO HIM FOR ME!

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 3:29 PM   

"Your comments prove you aren't as enlightened as you tell everybody you are."

Complaining about nasty anti-religion liberals is like GOPers complaining about the horrible liberal bias in the media.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 3:31 PM   

I just wonder, how the hell are these people supposed to find Jesus when they can't even find their own asses with both hands and map?

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 4:21 PM   

Ed Martin, the Republican candidate for Congress wouldn't know Jesus Christ if he sat next to him on a cross country flight. In fact, he and all of the wealthy well connected conservative so-called Christians would ask to be reseated if they found themselves sitting next to a Jesus on a airplane. Jesus was for social justice and love and charity for the poor and the afflicted. He never asked how someone got poor or afflicted.
I am a Christian and these folks make me sick.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 4:45 PM   

"We're great because we created a place and space where people can be free. And they can choose Christ, they can choose to be faithful."

(And they can choose to NOT be faithful to Christ, and put up with our harassment and intimidation, in public, at school, at work, even in their own homes, until such time as we have driven them from our sight. In Jesus' name, amen. Oh, and if someone should kill some of 'em, well, that's unfortunate but works to the greater good.)

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

RKT

user-pic

July 13, 2010 5:20 PM   

Is it just me, or are these nuts coming out of the woodwork? I suspect they are gaining a foothold because of the unanswered right-wing broadcast media, and the unquestioning manner in which right-wing audiences accept what they hear on those stations. I could likely tell them the Romans who crucified Jesus were Democrats and they'd take it to heart.

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

July 13, 2010 7:28 PM   

What a dork

Reply | Flag Abuse

Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?

Leave a comment

Your response:

Follow us!

Most Popular

TPM Stories Now Surging on