
Rep. Zach Wamp (R-TN), who is running in a heated three-way Republican primary for governor of Tennessee, has a dire warning about the new health care reform law: If a new Congress and president aren't elected in order to repeal the bill, states might just have to secede.
"I hope that the American people will go to the ballot box in 2010 and 2012 so that states are not forced to consider separation from this government," said Wamp, who has also promised to refuse to implement the law at the state level if he is elected, in an interview with the Hotline.
Wamp also praised Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) -- who has also floated the idea of secession -- for leading the fight against the health care bill. "Patriots like Rick Perry have talked about these issues because the federal government is putting us in an untenable position at the state level," said Wamp.
The Hotline asked Wamp's GOP primary opponents whether they are opposed to secession. A spokesman for Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam answered, "Yeah," while Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey blasted "Rep. Wamp's trademark over-the-top temperament and overheated, sometimes crazy rhetoric."
Captain Crunch
July 23, 2010 2:16 PM
while Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey blasted "Rep. Wamp's trademark over-the-top temperament and overheated, sometimes crazy rhetoric."
"crazy is as crazy does..."
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Commie Dearest
July 23, 2010 4:08 PM in reply to Captain Crunch
Hey, let's all start calling each other "Patriot"!
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barrelhse
July 23, 2010 5:18 PM in reply to Commie Dearest
lol
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TJF
July 23, 2010 2:37 PM
Every time I see this guy's name I think of driving with a flat tire:
....ZachWampZachWampZachWampZachWampZachWampZachWampZachWamp....
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eve
July 23, 2010 7:44 PM in reply to TJF
HA!
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housewife
July 23, 2010 9:40 PM in reply to TJF
Okay. I literally laughed out loud.
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DownriverDem
July 23, 2010 2:37 PM
Good. What's stopping you. The south has done us more harm than good. Bye Bye
PS: We want all our stuff back too.
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EH
July 23, 2010 4:07 PM in reply to DownriverDem
Exactly. Have fun maintaining those freeways, Zach!
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BigDaddy
July 23, 2010 5:01 PM in reply to DownriverDem
You, sir, as well as the others who have commented below, have stumbled upon the Big Secret of Southern Conservatism: we are the poor SOBs who are sucking the Republic dry, even as our R politicians rail against the federal government and as, of course, the locals swallow. Tennessee, for example, gets $1.27 for every dollar of tax money, according to the Tax Foundation.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html
Ask your financial advisor where else you can get that kind of return on investment.
Although I live here and don't want secession to really occur, of course, it does my heart good for people to call the secessionists' bluff. Why the TN Democratic Party can't do it loudly and often on television is beyond me.
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patmcgrowen
July 23, 2010 9:00 PM in reply to BigDaddy
I have made this point several times. If TN-$1.27, ID-$1.21, AZ-$1.19, and SC-$1.35 would secede that would give us an extra dollar to give back to CA-$.78 to help pull them out of the Republican induced nightmare they are living in. Blue States should encourage Red States to secede. I'm getting to the point that I believe a divided America is the inevitable way of the future. It's so funny here in KY, Rand Paul keeps telling us that he's going to kick the federal government out, everything should be paid for on the local level. We need to keep Kentucky's money here. We receive $1.51, we get back all of our money plus some, duh. Luckily the state's major papers are asking "Where are we supposed to come up with this extra money?" All this boils down to is higher county/state taxes. Unless you want your town to be like Colorado Springs where they're shutting down streetlamps, closing parks and pools, citizens have to mow public grass, and police officers respond to calls from an office. Sometimes I wrestle with the idea, would it be best to let these idiots take control and show the people what their "no tax" fantasy world would look like? I bet the Tea Party Hatriots would be the first to complain about all the lost services.
We have been seriously considering moving to a blue state but Jack Conway came along and I want to do everything I can to get him elected and send Rand Paul back to daddy's lap. But if Rand wins in November that will seal the deal. We will be moving to a blue state. As progressives we must stop wasting our tax money and our votes in red states. We need to make purple states blue and blue states bluer. It is time for mass migration. We also need to consider the benefits of state level government. If Republican's control the federal government, we should just enact our progressive policies on the state level and voice our 10th Amendment rights when they try to overreach. What a taste of irony that would be.
Blue States "We want our dollar back"
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toddincabo
July 24, 2010 5:25 PM in reply to patmcgrowen
Good for You...
I couldn't wait to get out of Bama. Way to stick around and try to see the Dem through.
Good Luck !
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Doc Magnus
July 23, 2010 5:58 PM in reply to DownriverDem
Tennessee without federal dollars would aspire to be Albania.
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Given Up
July 24, 2010 2:28 PM in reply to Doc Magnus
Or Somalia
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PartTimeRoadie
July 24, 2010 5:15 PM in reply to Given Up
Ya, but Somalia doesn't have as many guns.
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July 23, 2010 6:57 PM in reply to DownriverDem
Come on, dude. The South has done us plenty of good (e.g., nearly all genres of American music, much of African American culture, great food, great writers, good presidents). We're the United States for a reason, warts and all.
Being a Southerner (well, sort of - Oklahoma's not really South, but we were de facto segregated until the 70's), it really sickens me to death to hear this kind of rhetoric. It's just as bad as Sarah Palin's "real America" trope. Knock it off.
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tomkovic
July 23, 2010 7:00 PM in reply to Nicholas
You forgot gum disease and mental retardation.
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eve
July 23, 2010 7:41 PM in reply to Nicholas
thank you Nicholas
it makes me sad when my fellow liberals want to be as bigoted as the tea party fools
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NerdRage
July 24, 2010 2:46 PM in reply to Nicholas
but come on dude...wouldn't it just be funny as shit if the feds just said "ok...we're freezing all spending and federal funds in your state forrrr....3 months, thats 1 fiscal quarter"...
and then sit back and watch what happens...oh the chaos...
a corollary to that would be a special presidential address where Obama mentions specifically how their elected official asked for it...so now they could talk to him about how it felt to get it
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rx7ward
July 26, 2010 4:52 PM in reply to Nicholas
Pearl-clutching concern trolls need to STFU. The way to deal with these a-holes is NOT to be "nice" to them ... it's to call their bluff! Deal with it.
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glblank
July 24, 2010 1:59 PM in reply to DownriverDem
I say we build and ark, name it the CSS Secession, load all sesch aboard and float it out in the Bearing Sea during high seas and film it as the next Deadliest Catch.
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expatjourno2
July 25, 2010 6:23 AM in reply to glblank
Call it the B Ark.
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vasu
July 23, 2010 2:38 PM
I say let them go... Fence them off, cut off all external power, water, monies. Make it illegal to ship anything to the state. Have all business boycott the state or face sanctions from this government.
Seriously, if they wanna play this game, call their fucking bluffs. Leave the union, give up all taxes already collected. You are no long citzens thus no longer elgiable to Medicare/Medicaid. And removing these dumbass' would help to make SS solvent.
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Matt Jones
July 23, 2010 2:45 PM in reply to vasu
Funny how a state that would still be mostly filled with backwoods hicks using outhouses and candles if not for a government program (the TVA) now suddenly is mad about government.
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Jaycal
July 23, 2010 4:41 PM in reply to Matt Jones
The last thing any 'Welfare Mama'-bashing conservative wants to be reminded of is how much public funding their state sucks up to keep afloat. Living off the welfare of others has a corrupting influence on your self-esteem and makes for cranky crackers.
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Shrubbit
July 23, 2010 3:03 PM in reply to vasu
Two words: border. fence.
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Beetlejuice
July 23, 2010 5:23 PM in reply to vasu
A few months back in the Wall Street Journal, there was an article...As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S....about a Russian academic Igor Panarin who had been predicted the U.S. will fall apart in 2010...he wasn't too far off. There's even a map showing how the rest of the world divvied up the spoils. New Mexico to Florida is annexed by Mexico. So I wonder how Tennesseans like their enchiladas?
url : http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
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cwnidog
July 23, 2010 6:14 PM in reply to Beetlejuice
Certainly an interesting map. I think that New England & New York may be more likely to stay with Canada, though. Never happen, but fun to speculate. Also, the Mexicans lets Texans in once, I'm not sure that they'll repeat the mistake.
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acanuck
July 23, 2010 6:17 PM in reply to Beetlejuice
Meanwhile, Canada gets stuck with everything from Montana and Colorado to Ohio and Michigan? No fair. We'll gladly take Vermont and upstate New York, but that's where we draw the line.
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Hank
July 23, 2010 2:40 PM
Let them go, I say. Who needs the South. They can keep all the stuff they have too if it'll help them make the decision.
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DaveW
July 23, 2010 5:26 PM in reply to Hank
They won't go, of course. They've been playing the secession card forever. I say let 'em go for it. I don't understand the power this threat has over the rest of us. To my mind they have a right to vote to secede. It's way past time to end this game of bluffing right now, one way or the other. As others have pointed out, it would not be the North or the West that would be hurt most by their departure -- it would be themselves.
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Ron Jeremy
July 24, 2010 5:08 AM in reply to DaveW
"To my mind they have a right to vote to secede."
Lincoln and the 375,000 Union soldiers killed our wounded in the Civil War would disagree.
Oh, and me. Secession is the attempted overthrow of the federal government, just in a limited area. Send in a few companies of Air Cav, follow up with some Marine units to clear out any remaining nests of guerrillas, and occupy them under martial law.
Maybe in ten or fifteen years they earn back the right to elect local and state governments. Heck, arrest any state official that even advocates that treasonous trash. Create a few martyrs, maybe that'll hurry them along to their Waterloo.
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glblank
July 24, 2010 1:55 PM in reply to Ron Jeremy
They have a right to vote on anything. That does not equate to being a constitutionally acceptable outcome. People need to get a grip on how our government was meant to function. The Supreme Court has already ruled secession to be unconstitutional. See Texas V White. And SCOTUS has the final say. See Marbury V Madison. And the fed can mandate health Care, see Supremacy Clause, Commerce Clause and McCullough v. Maryland. Civics lesson free of charge.
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kash79
July 23, 2010 2:41 PM
Please do. You'll be doing service for the entire mankind at the expense of few. We don't want any of the stuff back either. Keep them as souvenirs gifts because you'll need them.
Just promise you'll not comeback begging.
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Scarce
July 23, 2010 2:44 PM
"Patriots".
Anytime one of these assholes uses the word it's immediately obvious they have no idea what it truly means.
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CajunModerate
July 23, 2010 2:46 PM
yes, you're right. every resident of the south follows every word that comes out of the mouths of politicians. thanks for reminding me, oh enlightened brethren.
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eratosthenes8
July 23, 2010 2:55 PM in reply to CajunModerate
Having lived here for the past few years, your words are not (at least in their receipt) so sarcastic (as you probably meant them to be) as they are properly descriptive.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
July 23, 2010 2:59 PM in reply to CajunModerate
Second. Guess Iowa and Minnesota can go too, what with them having Steve King and Bachmann. Add in Kansas, Nebraska, Wyoming, one or two of the Dakotas, Idaho, possibly even Indiana and, before you know it, you're left with a trying to figure out how to govern a noncontiguious country that can't feed itself without importing food from a foreign country doesn't have enough ports to handle either its exports or its imports.
So how about all you folks up in problem-free, asshole-free Yankee Utopia stop giving in to the same idiot separatist mentality as imbeciles like Wamp have, 'kay?
Because, frankly, I don't want to have to move up there. In the quarter century I've been down here, I've totally lost my ability, and the will, to deal with real winters.
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agio
July 23, 2010 3:05 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
No doubt.
I'm a Yankee, here, but there are contingents of folks in Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, who all claim they want to secede. I'm sure there are in every state.
The problem isn't, in my opinion, with Tennessee itself, it's with a Republican Party that's been captured by its own Southern Strategy.
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vasu
July 23, 2010 3:10 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Now your just being selfish... And you could go to Hawaii... Or even California, because we all know if certain states weren't here there would be lots of money to go for a real health care bill... SS would be solvent... And the overall IQ of the country would go up.
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kash79
July 23, 2010 3:30 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
First I don't think anyone literally expects TN to secede, sadly I might add. But this sort of moral equivalence is non-sense.
TN state establishment is racist, and extremely right wing. It is absurd to compare it with Minnesota,or Iowa and I wouldn't certainly compare with NY.
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Dorn76
July 23, 2010 3:48 PM in reply to kash79
Even if it's a small percentage, there's plenty of good folks in TN who can't afford for whatever reason to get the hell out of dodge. I think it it the job of the Federal Gov't to protect the rights of those people from the ignorant wahoos that run the place, not to cave in to the absurd crap spouted by their wanna-be Grand Master.
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ahumbleopinion
July 23, 2010 5:48 PM in reply to kash79
At least they are consistent. They wanted to keep a part of their population in slavery then and they still do. It's just a different form of slavery today, more economic than physical.
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Dorn76
July 23, 2010 3:49 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Agreed, I hate these, "good riddance and take your grits with you," threads.
As if we here in Yankeeland have never sinned against the Constitution.
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vasu
July 23, 2010 3:52 PM in reply to Dorn76
No one is saying that. But we are also less like to talk about succession if we don't get our way. It reminds me of Cartman from south park. "SCrew you guys I'm going home"
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
July 23, 2010 4:16 PM in reply to Dorn76
Now grits I do without. Never cared for 'em. And juleps are a tragic waste of good Bourbon. But, damn, this last winter reminded me of why I used to hate that season so much before I dropped down a few degrees towards the equator. This summer has been hellish, but move slow, stay in the shade and drink lots of tea and you can handle it. But until this year, I'd forgotten how much winter sucks when it's ball cracking cold every single day and it lasts more than six weeks.
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cwnidog
July 23, 2010 6:16 PM in reply to Dorn76
Sorry, but empty threats of secession deserve nothing better.
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July 23, 2010 4:45 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Minnesota is great and fairly liberal. Shut your whore mouth.
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MNPundit
July 23, 2010 4:57 PM in reply to Bryn
Yep.
We have the core crazy where Bachmann is and otherwise.... pretty solid left. Why do Dems have near supermajorities if you're kicking out MN? Fuck you guys and fuck the south.
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Jesus H. Christ
July 23, 2010 7:50 PM in reply to Bryn
language young man
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slb
July 23, 2010 5:08 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
So how about all you folks up in problem-free, asshole-free Yankee Utopia stop giving in to the same idiot separatist mentality as imbeciles like Wamp have, 'kay?
I think I love you.
I lived in northeast PA for about a year and a half after graduating from college. I found the communities of the Shenango Valley were about 10 years behind central Virginia when it came to race relations. Having had it drummed into me by the national media my entire life how backward the South was in that regard, it was a stunning revelation. And the years since have left me with the firm conviction that rural communities in the north and the midwest are not all that different than rural communities in the South.
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July 23, 2010 10:45 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
A bit too touchy, don't you think?
Let's skip the hyper-regionalism and the self-pity, eh?
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jsdc007
July 23, 2010 2:46 PM
Wamp (noun): a wimp prone to excessive bloviation.
Zach (adjective): name given to a tool.
Zach Wamp: a toolish wimp from Georgia whose state, along with the rest of the South, America should secede from letting it morph back into the poverty stricken, third world swamp it once was.
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Signalman
July 23, 2010 3:07 PM in reply to jsdc007
He's from Tennessee, not Georgia.
We have enough GOP nitwits down here in GA without you adding Wamp to our list of troubles, thank you very much.
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eratosthenes8
July 23, 2010 2:51 PM
What is wrong with these people?
Besides being power-hungry egotists, that is.
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dswx
July 23, 2010 3:13 PM in reply to eratosthenes8
Simple. They are treasonists who do not believe in democracy. Plain and simple.
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marcusmarcus
July 23, 2010 2:53 PM
I'd like to see some sort of documentary about what would happen in these states like TN if they did secede and were cut off from all the protections the federal govt provides.
There are a handful of wealthy folks and a whole lot of economically disadvantaged in Tennessee. Without help from the federal govt, the state's budget would collapse instantly. It would turn to anarchy pretty much overnight. I give them a year or two max before French revolution style chaos erupts. These well-to-do white folks in public office positions would likely not survive unless they went into hiding.
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CityGuy
July 23, 2010 9:53 PM in reply to marcusmarcus
That would actually be a pretty good Frontline style of program. How the Red states receive a disproportionate amount of federal dollars and also bitch-and-moan the most about the federal government.
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Seafarer
July 23, 2010 2:54 PM
Yeah, lets see how Tennessee fares when they secede, and Washington immediately cancels and withholds ALL Federal funding and subsidizing of the state. When they can't even make state payroll for police in a few months to a year, let's see how that secession is working out for you.
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EnnuiDivine
July 23, 2010 3:09 PM in reply to Seafarer
Methinks the people of Memphis aren't going to take kindly to a Wamp-led Republic of Tennessee.
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mcc
July 23, 2010 2:55 PM
The American Civil War started because of the election of a President the south found inherently unacceptable.
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oleeb
July 23, 2010 3:40 PM in reply to mcc
Correction: the war was started by a powerful faction (probably not even close to a majority of citizens) which comprised the oligarchy whose profits rested on the institution of human slavery in the south, that owned most of the land and business enterprises there. The inheritors of that oligarchy continue to call the political tune in the south and their reign has been interupted only be the short lived period of reconstruction. It is well known and documented that many huge swaths of the southern states were loyal from the outset and remained so throughout the war including northern Alabama, northern Mississippi, northern Georgia, eastern Tennesee, the whole of West Virginia which broke away from Virginia at that time, parts of Kentucky and the Carolinas. It was the bellicose and bullying hyenas of the slaveholding oligarchy that drove the south into it's maniacal and doomed attempt to destroy the United States in order to maintain the slave centered economy. Hatred of blacks today and particularly of the black President drives their lunacy today and produces these moronic calls for secession because these morons think providing health care to citizens amounts to free medical care for blacks and the poor. That drives them crazy and drives idiots like Wamp and Perry to make their assinine statements about seceding. Like their predecessor "firebreathers" of old, they don't represent anything like a majority of white southerners and they don't represent any minority southerners.
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donquijoterocket
July 23, 2010 4:15 PM in reply to oleeb
I'd assert it wasn't just the large plantations as many small croppers were as heavily, or proportionately, more heavily invested in King Cotton and their dependence on that one commodity is what really drove slavery and the South's reliance on it.
I'd also suggest that should any of these know-nothings actually secede their first course of action would be to declare war on the remaining United States then immediately surrender throwing themselves on the mercy of the U. S.and applying for foreign aid.
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slb
July 23, 2010 5:11 PM in reply to donquijoterocket
Which is pretty close to the plot of "The Mouse that Roared."
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slb
July 23, 2010 5:02 PM in reply to oleeb
And if I remember my history correctly, the Virginia convention initially voted AGAINST secession. Then a fire-eating ex-governor who wasn't about to accept that verdict injected himself into the scene, whipped the people in the streets of Richmond up to a hot fury (a la Teabag Express), and the convention, tragically, reversed itself.
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July 23, 2010 3:04 PM
I'm from TN and we are totally screwed when it comes to the gubernatorial election. 3 Repubs and 1 Dem. The one Dem is the son of a horrible former gov, and all 3 of the Repubs are praising the AZ racism law. We're caught in this horrible "pick the least worst" situation, which just feeds disenfranchisement.
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grelican
July 23, 2010 3:06 PM
I can tell you one thing. As a Georgia resident, I'd be the first to show up at the Union consulate in Atlanta to claim refugee status, followed by about a million other college-educated, productive, taxpaying members of society.
I just wonder if it'd be any use to tell them my parents are from New York.
Seriously, now that slavery no longer looms large as a moral issue, why the hell not let 'em go? I'm tired of subsidizing this place's dysfunction, be it from here, or as a yankee sending my dollars to Washington to subsidize their good ol' boy backwardness.
I'd have to move, but so what? It's hot here. 96 today. And traffic sucks.
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Signalman
July 23, 2010 3:09 PM in reply to grelican
I'd join you at the Consulate. Let me know if you need a ride there.
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grelican
July 23, 2010 3:10 PM in reply to Signalman
Thanks, but I'll take MARTA, assuming it's still running.
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Signalman
July 23, 2010 3:14 PM in reply to grelican
Now you *know* if GA secedes, they're going to stop spending money on MARTA and they're going to tear up the tracks (like they did ahead of General Sherman). :D
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grelican
July 23, 2010 3:24 PM in reply to Signalman
They would if they could, except that MARTA's operational but by the grace of the good citizens of Fulton and Dekalb counties. You can't stop what you don't fund. Might buy us a few months anyway.
...Now you got me thinking. Maybe Atlanta, along with Nashville and maybe Birmingham could secede from their own states. It's not like they do us any good. Together we could call ourselves the state of Taxbase.
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Signalman
July 23, 2010 6:22 PM in reply to grelican
Hey, on a completely unrelated topic, do you think we could sell these as Redneck Koozies down in Waycross or Albany? I'm not talking about the beer; I'm talking about what the beer is *wearing.*
Personally, I think we'd clean up selling these to rednecks.
http://consumerist.com/2010/07/combine-your-loves-for-alcohol-taxidermy-with-beer-packed-in-rodent-carcass.html
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grelican
July 23, 2010 3:09 PM
Maybe if they started getting serious about secession it'd remind people of all the goodies they get from the feds. Might not seem like such a bad idea after all to stick around in this union thing.
That is unless you like how Central America runs things. Which you might, if you're a wealthy landowner with political connections...
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krippendorf
July 23, 2010 3:16 PM
Let's see: In 2004 TN received $1.30 in federal aid for every $1 its citizens paid in federal taxes, and in 2008 TN held the honor of the 4th fattest state (doh, just out of the bronze medal!), with obesity rates over 30%. Yeah, seceeding over HCR is a great idea...
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glblank
July 23, 2010 3:21 PM
I'm hoping some addle-brained clown actually tries and someone sues all the way to SCOTUS and the Roberts court has to decide. Hey Johnny, remember your position on Stare Decisis. Texas v White is a precedent ruling secession to be illegal.
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J.R. Labrador
July 23, 2010 3:24 PM
We'll make sure to dynamite every dam and power plant built by the TVA on the way out.
And please, Mr Wamp - please stop using the word "patriot" to describe secessionist traitors. The cognitive dissonance is too much, even by Reublican standards.
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oleeb
July 23, 2010 3:28 PM
I hope they do. It would be a pleasure for the loyal people of the United States to go down there and clean out that snake pit of treason once and for all. Apparently, they didn't do a thorough enough job back in the 1860's.
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ejg3
July 23, 2010 3:34 PM
East Tennessee which has always been the most Republican part of the State was strongly Union in hte Civil War. SO much for history.
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Stratdude
July 23, 2010 3:43 PM
For a political party who just had a two-term president who was a deserter and a vp who was one of the most notorious draft dodgers of all time and whose defacto leader is a junkie who dodged the draft with boils on his fat ass, who lied and sent thousands of our young people to die for their profit (I call it murder), not to mention that they hate democracy and shit on the Constitution every chance they get, they sure throw he word "patriot" around a lot.
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cole_dranx
July 23, 2010 3:46 PM
The "let them secede" meme on this blog is both boring (it happens on every article about southern politics) and morally perverse.
Do any of you who are so ready to let the South go think that a re-secession would not result in a genocide? Because it would. No, the secessionists wouldn't let you leave quietly either. Blacks, latinos, south asians, intellectuals, gays, "counterinsurgents" - rounded up and slaughtered.
That's what you're inviting. You'd have healthcare funding, progressive domestic policies, and the self-assurance that you were morally superior to the country next door that you allowed to kill potentially millions.
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Dorn76
July 23, 2010 3:51 PM in reply to cole_dranx
Not sure which is more ridiculous, your gaming out of the "reality" of secession, or the people who say "let them secede, and good riddance".
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cole_dranx
July 23, 2010 4:13 PM in reply to Dorn76
In responding to hyperbole with hyperbole, I may have overshot.
But if we're assuming that southerners are stupid violent provincial bigots (which i don't but it does seem to be a common thread here), I'm not sure that knocking them down to Third World economic status would ease racial, ethnic, and ideological tensions.
That coupled with anecdotal evidence from the area in which i grew up (burning crosses - and houses - and lynchings as recent as the 80s and 90s) lead me to think that while a centrally coordinated Holocaust might not be in the offing, it's not inconceivable that a Rwanda-style purging could occur.
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cole_dranx
July 23, 2010 3:56 PM in reply to cole_dranx
And I say this as a southern liberal. I'm not talking about regular run-on-the-mill southern folks, I'm talking about these secessionists. Despite the assumptions of many on this site, southerners are no more wholesale racists and secessionists than Yankees are wholesale self-superior assholes.
These idiots (southern, northern, otherwise) who are so hot and bothered about seceding and having a revolution so that they can forge a pure and righteous enclave? why would they draw a line at ethnic or ideological cleansing?
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grelican
July 23, 2010 4:19 PM in reply to cole_dranx
I agree. I've heard more racist crap up north than I've ever heard down here, and I've lived many years in both. To me, the major difference is class.
It's all about screwing the little guy to earn a buck. The same families have been running things here from Day 1 and they'll do whatever they have to do in order to keep things that way.
Race is a distraction. Of course you can't mention the word "class" without being called a Marxist, possibly the only term in the American lexicon that's worse than being called a racist.
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cole_dranx
July 23, 2010 6:34 PM in reply to grelican
Oh, there's plenty of racist crap all over. But I'm in full agreement about race being a distraction for class issues here.
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MoCrash
July 23, 2010 6:40 PM in reply to grelican
For Southern leaders, it's about enforced plutocracy, the ability for the wealthy and powerful to profit from the exploitation of a middle and lower class that has been stripped of some of the protections of a truly democratic state (i.e. collective bargaining, tort liability, consumer protection, quality public education accessible to all) -- and then convinced, usually through such fringe issues, that is somehow in their best interests that this happens. Not hard to do with a general mis- or non-informed public which is too busy trying to survive to pay closer attention -- the case not only in Tennessee, but Minnesota, California, South Carolina and every other state where the wild hares run rampant.
This is a by-product of the Southern culture evolved over 300 years under slavery and Jim Crow in which feudalism is the economic norm; much as other regions possess other cultural identities -- the frontier independence of the Western states, for example.
No, Southerners aren't stupid, although most of their leaders ill use what intelligence they possess in ways that are more devious than ingenious, serving the aristocracy -- be it economic, social or political -- at the expense of the masses.
Okay, a lot of doctinaire jargon in the above, but it is nonetheless the nuts and bolts of the reality which exists in America as a whole, if somehow more obvious in the South.
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whataretheysmoking
July 23, 2010 4:55 PM in reply to cole_dranx
even more reason not to have them in my country.
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donquijoterocket
July 23, 2010 5:08 PM in reply to cole_dranx
Wasn't there a plan afoot some time ago to have a bunch of true believers relocate to South Carolina, buy land, and create their own little enclave there?Seems that if these folks were true free market patriots that'd be the direction they'd take.
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slb
July 23, 2010 5:26 PM in reply to donquijoterocket
I thought they were targeting New Hampshire, but I may be thinking of some other group.
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Frex
July 23, 2010 6:18 PM in reply to donquijoterocket
They were targeting NH, but the Yankees here would have nothing to do with them. Even the native crazies refused to give them directions.
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Signalman
July 23, 2010 4:03 PM in reply to cole_dranx
"No, the secessionists wouldn't let you leave quietly either. Blacks, latinos, south asians, intellectuals, gays, "counterinsurgents" - rounded up and slaughtered."
You're not seriously suggesting that you believe that would happen without other nations -- and I don't mean just the US -- getting involved militarily to prevent it?
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July 23, 2010 6:46 PM in reply to Signalman
Genocide has occurred in plenty of places in the world without much or any military involvement from the outside. The Sudan, for one.
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Signalman
July 26, 2010 12:29 PM in reply to Steven
Respectfully, I don't believe a creditable case could be made that such a thing could happen in the US without other nations getting involved.
No slam on the Sudan intended, but I don't think most industrialized nations see the upside in getting involved there, whereas getting involved in the used-to-be-US could pay financial dividends later on.
I don't mean to be crass, but nations do get involved militarily when they some sort of benefit being derived from it.
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grelican
July 23, 2010 4:21 PM in reply to cole_dranx
Sounds like Canada to me...
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grelican
July 23, 2010 4:25 PM in reply to grelican
I mean't what's below sounds like Canada to me. Threadfart. My bad.
"That's what you're inviting. You'd have healthcare funding, progressive domestic policies, and the self-assurance that you were morally superior to the country next door that you allowed to kill potentially millions."
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barrelhse
July 23, 2010 5:39 PM in reply to cole_dranx
You have a wonderful imagination. Do you write stories for a living? You really should, you know!
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Pandy
July 24, 2010 1:38 PM in reply to cole_dranx
I may be wrong, but all of the groups you mentioned being killed in a genocide would actually outnumber the secessionists. So, if they acted together, wouldn't they be able to defend themselves?
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KenK
July 23, 2010 3:46 PM
Let them go. The sooner the better. Tennesee takes more money from the Federal government than it sends in taxes. The rest of us are better without their tax hogging ways.
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Dorn76
July 23, 2010 3:54 PM in reply to KenK
Yeah, screw the 1.1 million people who voted for Obama in 2008, and anyone else who might be inclined to not be ignorant hick down there.
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whataretheysmoking
July 23, 2010 5:00 PM in reply to Dorn76
and screw those who voted for bush over gore.
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BigDaddy
July 23, 2010 5:47 PM in reply to Dorn76
Honey, if Tennessee secedes, those of us who voted for Obama, have spoken out for common sense and justice, and have an automobile would be heading North that same day.
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Sniffit
July 23, 2010 4:03 PM
Actually, KenK, that reminds me of a thought I had the other day...if such things I sometimes have can be properly called thoughts. Turn-a-bout is fair play, no? So, in the name of "fiscal responsibility" and "personal accountability," shouldn't the Dems just proposed legislation that limits the amount of federal funding any particular state receives to the amount of federal tax dollars its citizens contribute? Let's see how they like that one muahahaha...
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Max Thrax
July 23, 2010 4:11 PM
Oh please do secede, please, please, please. Let all these deadbeat Red states secede, it would literally save this country to do so. And once they do secede, I suggest the REAL AMERICA put barbed wire fences and border patrols on the borders and give police the right to question the citizenship of any white person with a southern accent.
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GOPhuckYourself
July 23, 2010 4:12 PM
It is my understanding that as a result of the landmark 1865 decision in "United States of America v. Confederate States of America", states are not allowed to leave the Union.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
July 23, 2010 4:24 PM in reply to GOPhuckYourself
Okay, Loling on that one.
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Winston Smith
July 23, 2010 4:13 PM
Please take your fucking redneck hillbillies and KKristian Koaliton and get the hell out.
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Signalman
July 23, 2010 6:10 PM in reply to Winston Smith
Coming from good hillbilly stock as I do, I feel forced to point out that one must have hills in order to have hillbillies. Hillbillies, whatever their political persuasion, are generally found in Appalachia, the Smoky and Blue Ridge mountains, and related environs. One would not, however, be likely to find hillbillies in, say, Mississippi or in central or southern Alabama or Georgia.
In such non-hillbilly cases, terms like "rednecks," "hicks" and "cousin-f**kers" will suffice.
Thank you for your attention. We now return you to your regularly-scheduled thread.
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Geoduck
July 23, 2010 4:20 PM
All the "good riddance" snark aside, I wouldn't be surprised if within ten years there is a deadly serious large-scale secessionist movement active somewhere in the US Mostly likely, yes, in the South.
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whataretheysmoking
July 23, 2010 5:02 PM in reply to Geoduck
can't wait. that would be wonderful. sane southerners are welcome to migrate north.
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MrRandom
July 24, 2010 12:23 AM in reply to whataretheysmoking
Fuck those hicks, this is our country, our land, we are one people, and if they ever want to test that notion we will be sure to wipe that snake pit out for good this time.
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eve
July 23, 2010 11:36 PM in reply to Geoduck
more likely to be in the midwest IF it were to happen
that's where the largest number of anti-government militia groups are
but of course that is completely counter to the beliefs so popular with people who like to rely on bigotry and stereotypes
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clemenceau
July 23, 2010 4:21 PM
Wamp is a C Street true believer which means he probably thinks Obama is the anti-christ and that the end times are upon us. In that case why is making plans for the future? Isn't he supposed to be transported to that great white's only Heritage USA in the sky any day now?
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bluestatedon
July 23, 2010 4:22 PM
I honestly can't recall any notable Democratic politician at any time during the darkest days of the George W. Bush regime, suggest that his or her state should secede if W didn't change his ways. Am I just conveniently forgetting?
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acf_ma
July 23, 2010 6:48 PM in reply to bluestatedon
Some of us may be bleeding heart dreamers, but I can't think of any instance where we participated in the kind of hateful language that has come out of the Republican party lately.
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bdog207
July 23, 2010 10:38 PM in reply to bluestatedon
I thought about moving to Canada a few times. But I doubt that would be considered treason.
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Plotius
July 23, 2010 4:24 PM
good, this guy can start dieing for his "right" to secede.
There is precedence and all loyal Unionists can kill them.
Kill them all and let God sort them out.
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sean
July 23, 2010 4:26 PM
Wamp puts the buf in foon...
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Jaycal
July 23, 2010 4:36 PM
(voiceover from British tennis announcer)
"Point to North Carolina. Now, how will South Carolina respond to counter this devestating attack on their status as the most batshit crazy state?"
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NHBob
July 23, 2010 4:37 PM
How about if we let all the souther states secede - and then we build that wall they keep talking about?
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geophile
July 23, 2010 4:37 PM
This time, let them go.
But let's also tighten up on immigration enforcement, including a big electric border fence.
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Confound Them All
July 23, 2010 4:39 PM
This isn't 1860, Wamp. You wanna take your state out of the Union, be my freakin' guest. Just promise you won't come crying later on, begging to come back.
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trippin
July 23, 2010 4:40 PM
Just think how nice it'll be without all that intolerable music, belligerent preaching, and those noisy racing cars.
Just promise to take the Cheney family with you.
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Ugg the Repug
July 23, 2010 4:42 PM
Har har har. And you think Civil War over. Har har har.
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yellocatdem
July 23, 2010 4:42 PM
I wish Gawd would strike these pols dumb so we wouldn't have to listen to them...
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curveballsenator
July 23, 2010 4:45 PM
Republicans must attack health care reform and tear down as much of it as possible.
Because it has enough in it that is real and good that people will realize that when it's in place.
And that would do two things:
1)make Republicans look bad (noticeably, even to a lot of their usual supporters) and,
2)bring a clamor for more far-reaching reform, such as public option and single payer.
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whataretheysmoking
July 23, 2010 4:53 PM
good riddance to bad rubbish. most of these whiners are from states that take in more federal dollars than they contribute. they can secede and anoint the Whiner from Wasilla as their Empress. i won't miss them.
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titan1nyc
July 23, 2010 4:53 PM
SOUNDS LIKE A WINNING PLAN, THE REPUGS WILL NEVER BE IN POWER, EVER AGAIN!!!! YAAAYY!!!
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bdog207
July 23, 2010 4:54 PM
Two words: Good bye!
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yellowdogD
July 23, 2010 4:56 PM
Tennessee. Texas. This sounds familiar, what is it?
Oh yeah! Davie Crockett at the Alamo!
Maybe there's someplace Perry and Swamp Creature can make a last stand together. And I do mean last.
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July 23, 2010 4:58 PM
You know how great it would be for the budget and therefore deficit if Southern states left the Union? Last time I checked, almost every southern state takes in way more tax dollars than it contributes. Let them eat grits.
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whataretheysmoking
July 23, 2010 5:03 PM in reply to Paul
and alaska also. you betcha. **wink**
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mibwilso
July 23, 2010 5:08 PM
Secede over health care? What a complete idiot.
Apparently he forgot that Mitt Romney did the same plan in Mass...OR that more than 22 Republicans cosponsored a similar plan back in 1993.
The craziness of today's GOP is simply astounding.
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mibwilso
July 23, 2010 5:09 PM
I grew up in the South...but I say let 'em go.
They have the worst roads, the worst schools, the worst health care.....AND they have the MOST religious nuts.
Hopefully TN will take them and all those other Republican electoral votes with them.
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VAsouthernliberal
July 24, 2010 10:58 AM in reply to mibwilso
If you grew up in the South, then you know every southener does not belieive this BS about seceding. I live here in Virginia and all southerners are not as you say "hicks". I am as patriotic as anyone. I beleive in the United States of America and I am proud to live in the South.
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JDinBalt
July 23, 2010 5:13 PM
Jeez, enough with the South bashing already!!! It's far easier to just deport people like Zach Wamp. Send him back to wherever the hell his ancestors came from. That'd be a great way to get rid of Tancredo too while we're at it. And Bachmann and Palin.
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rlkinny
July 23, 2010 5:14 PM
Well, Tennessee gets back $1.27 in federal tax dollars for every $1.00 in federal taxes paid. So -- bye, bye. Enjoy that huge deficit when you leave.
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decisivemoment
July 23, 2010 5:15 PM
In a way, Wamp is right -- the logical outcome of the Republican Party's policies is the dissolution of the United States. With their policies we can't afford the luxury of a nation-state. We'll break up into a lot of weak little republics like the former Soviet Union, with flat taxes, deregulation, insurgencies, and Depressions every ten years.
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MeemaSUE
July 23, 2010 5:16 PM
What An IDIOT!
What a MORON!
What A LOON!
Please oh please help the Wamps become unemployed then we can deny them benefits!
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bluestatedon
July 23, 2010 5:18 PM
"They have the worst roads,"
Them's fightin' words. Michigan has the worst roads, by far, and if you don't agree with me, we'll just secede.
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rlkinny
July 23, 2010 5:22 PM in reply to bluestatedon
Hey wait a minute. We New Yorkers feel that we've earned the right to claim the worst roads. Have you seen our potholes?
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slb
July 23, 2010 5:31 PM in reply to rlkinny
My experience tells me that Pennsylvania is hands down the country's pothole champion.
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Signalman
July 23, 2010 6:17 PM in reply to rlkinny
You can't see the potholes in Atlanta because we cover them all up with those steel plates for months and years on end.
So your potholes might really be bigger in NY, but I bet we have you beat in the sinkhole department. A couple of people *died* in one downtown a few years back. The sinkhole opened up and sucked 'em both into the sewer system. I don't recall if their remains were ever found.
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whataretheysmoking
July 24, 2010 12:28 AM in reply to Signalman
even seen the potholes in california? they could swallow arnold and his coterie.
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kfdan
July 23, 2010 5:23 PM
Rep. Zach Wamp is blowing smoke through his pie hole. And by the way, it's not just the South ... right outside of San Francisco in the valley communities, you will find lots of people who are just as ignorant and just as stupid as in any Southern State!
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Vol-in-tears
July 23, 2010 5:23 PM
God! Just when I get past one TN-idiot another pops up. I feel like using the Dixie Chicks line when someone asks where I'm from. We only have 1 chance to elect a representative we can be proud of. Please support Ben Leming for US House Dist 6 otherwise we will have a roster of complete and utter fools.
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cletus
July 23, 2010 5:26 PM
I vote for secession.
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IvaFayeKname
July 23, 2010 5:26 PM
Yes, please secede. We won't stop you this time.
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Scott Robinson
July 23, 2010 5:28 PM
The patriots are the taxpayers in the Northeast who pay more in taxes than they get back from the Federal Government, and suffer the most planes crashing into them, and still Indiana got more money for Homeland Security when idiots like Cheney were President. I mean Bush.
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CajunModerate
July 23, 2010 5:41 PM in reply to Scott Robinson
New York? What about people in La. who get entire cities wiped off the map because of the Fed's incompetence and get our culture taken away by oil companies? Or the way we get screwed out of most of the oil revenue we're entitled to, just because the state boundaries magically change when we're talking about oil and gas extraction? See how that works? There's plenty of suffering to go around. There's plenty of crazy to go around, too. And for every asshole you can find on one side of the aisle, I can find one on the other. But you dumbasses who say "good riddance" need to realize that telling the South to fuck off does nothing but play into conservatives' hands of keeping people divided. Because what politicians really fear is when people stop reacting to fear-monger bullshit and realize we have a lot more in common than what separates us. And by the way, if you really want to have a good time, you can follow the president's lead and vacation in the South.
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farnsworth
July 23, 2010 5:36 PM
Call their bluff.
CALL THEIR BLUFF!!!
I think it would be ugly and bad in the short term, but far better in the long term, if these states did secede. Please let it happen!
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July 23, 2010 5:40 PM
Let them go, red states will benefit the most from HCR, and thus cost us all more money.
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maya89
July 23, 2010 5:40 PM
these winguts are simply too wacko for words.. seceding over a policy dispute.. seceding because folks shouldn't be required to take responsibility and purchase health insurance.. oh brother.. are they putting something in the water in this country? in the South???
man.. I can imagine how folks in all other developed countries must be laughing their heads off, must be thinking these American right-wingers must be on some really really weird drug not available anywhere else in the world....;-)
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scavok
July 23, 2010 5:40 PM
How did that succession thing work out for y'all last time, dummy?
Honestly, Zach Wamp puts the "L" in stupid.
This is what happens when you let Conservatives dictate school curriculum.
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bdog207
July 23, 2010 5:41 PM
It's incomprehensible that they would consider separation (basically starting another civil war) over the issue of trying to get affordable health care to everyone.
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castanea
July 23, 2010 6:54 PM in reply to bdog207
Welcome to 21st century America, where the incomprehensible and the absurd are no strangers to the headlines.
And things will only get worse.
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JerseyCurmudgeon
July 23, 2010 5:42 PM
In the event it happens, any Southern political refugee who needs a sponsor to come to the US can feel free to contact me.
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GetReal
July 23, 2010 5:44 PM
It's called "treason." Ain't happening because the land belongs to the federal government so where do the think they're going unless it is off of U.S. soil. Haiti perhaps?
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bdog207
July 23, 2010 10:31 PM in reply to GetReal
How about Gitmo?
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FreemanW
July 23, 2010 5:45 PM
Promises, promises, promises.
Just Do It!
You can save us all a lot of grief and money too!
Fucking Red Staters for every dollar they pay into the federal government they get that dollar plus more back.
Get OUT!
Go Away!
Stop talking about it and DO IT!
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Thetragicsongwildfire
July 23, 2010 5:50 PM
What Zach might have in mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH58-UN_ANM
However, a word of caution: There are way too many military and nuclear sites in the South for the North to just cut them loose. We'd need to take back those bases first or, well, do you want a fanatical nuclear-armed theocracy on our border? And, um, that's not going to be easy. Sieges at, say, Fort Bragg and Barnwell are going to get ugly. Perhaps, if we send _all_ of our troops and their gear to, I dunno, protect our Canadian border first, we'd stand a chance.
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SaintGenesius
July 23, 2010 5:51 PM
Well...Bye.
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Texar
July 23, 2010 5:55 PM
Bye-bye Tennessee
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cheesenstein
July 23, 2010 6:02 PM
For those of us in big Blue states, the attraction of letting these states go away is the appeal of not having to send them 75 cents of every tax dollar we put into the federal government. We could have a world-class educational system, infrastructure up the wazoo, a green energy and technology-based economy, and single-payer health care before they even knew what they'd asked for.
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Prof Wagstaff
July 23, 2010 6:05 PM
Bring it, you dumb fvcking hillbilly!
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Frex
July 23, 2010 6:06 PM
Good, let Tennessee secede. They're a drag on the US Treasury anyway, getting $1.27 back in Federal spending for each dollar they send to Washington.
Good luck and have your passports ready.
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DuaneBidoux
July 23, 2010 6:24 PM
I'm actually beginning to wonder what the hell use it is to try and keep states in the country that want out. I think that 2012 would be a great time to let each state vote on leaving the country. Most of the states that want out are a drain on the treasury anyway.
Not only that, I am simply tired of debating with retrograde people who are stuggling to recreate some fantasy wonderful country of the 1950s. I say why make these people live in a way they don't wish.
Thank about it, the effective end of the Culture Wars, as we just cut the extremists lose. It sounds quite restful.
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castanea
July 23, 2010 6:49 PM in reply to DuaneBidoux
I would like to see the leaders in those states begin drawing up actual plans to secede, and detailing, for example, how they'd return to the federal government all American-owned and -maintained infrastructure, as well as how they'd begin funding programs through state taxes, and so forth. Then let them put secession to a vote in each state and see where the chips fall.
Thus far all the rightwing has spouted is its typical foolish rhetoric of the sort that makes the teabagger crowd moist and weak-kneed. Let them prove they have the resolve to follow through on their threats.
Of course, it will never happen, and there are good, practical reasons why it shouldn't. However, having the rightwing called on its bluff would be nice. I've never heard/seen one member of the mainstream media call out these secessionist morons on the practical planning that would be involved with leaving the Union.
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latichever
July 23, 2010 6:31 PM
All of those small backward states suck on more tax money than they pay in. This could be good for places like NY, CT, etc., which pay in much more than they take out.
On the other hand, I'd enjoy it if we could invade some of those seccessionary states and give they a what for.
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aq
July 23, 2010 6:31 PM
I'm so excited about this.
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FlownOver
July 23, 2010 6:32 PM
Is this the same Wamp Rat Luke used to bullseye back in Beggar's Canyon?
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July 23, 2010 6:36 PM
Any politician who vocally supports secession should be arrested and tried for treason. It's time to chop the head off of this bad idea before a REAL problem occurs. See Civil War, American, 1861-1865.
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labman57
July 23, 2010 6:38 PM
People who promote secession are not interested in rational, cogent analyses of the logistical and economic implications of becoming an independent government. Â We are dealing with self-serving politicians and pundits who are chumming the waters, encouraging a lynch mob mentality in the populace.
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BoogAlou
July 23, 2010 6:41 PM
Where do these morons come from? When did majority rule become "tyranny" and grounds for secession? I truly worry about the future of this country ...
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SoSad69
July 23, 2010 6:43 PM
as much as I love Tennessee for Nashville and Memphis I'd say call his bluff and let them go. Also boot out Texas too. That way my kid won't have to read that religious crap that they're putting in the textbooks these days. If I wanted religion I'd go to church. Don't put it front of my kid. Also, don't rewrite history to suit your whacko conservative views. I like my history the way it happened not the way some tool sitting on a throne in Texas. Let them all leave and I'll laugh watching them go down in flames. I love country music and all that but whacko needs to be dealt with the only way they know how.
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tomkovic
July 23, 2010 7:09 PM
Let's not forget that Tennessee is the home of many health insurance companies, particularly the Nashville area. I'm sure it is the principle funder of the state Republican party. The man knows how to dance with those that brung him.
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Destiny
July 23, 2010 7:34 PM
Idle threats. PLEASE SECEDE, PLEASE!
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Kuyleh
July 23, 2010 7:41 PM
I'm all for letting dumb states secede. Just assure me that I'll be able to move up north to Saneville if Arkansas decides to go with. I'm not one of the crazy hicks here and I don't wish to be stuck with them.
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Squire T
July 23, 2010 7:44 PM
What an increasingly sad reason for starting a war... providing proper health care for your citizens.
It makes the reason for the Lilliput - Bigender war in Gulliver's Travels look positively sane. (For those that haven't read it, some Lilliputians wanted to eat their boiled eggs from the bigger side, the rest of the Lilliputians wanted to each it from the smaller side, it turned into a huge argument, the Monarchy got involved and the Bigenders revolted, causing a huge war.)
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eve
July 23, 2010 7:46 PM
Someone please ask Zach Wad how he thinks one can be a patriot while proposing treason?
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Jesus H. Christ
July 23, 2010 7:52 PM
I'd have to Google it but I think secession is illegal.
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jeffgee
July 23, 2010 7:59 PM
Wamp was in Newt's Class of '94, the Contract with America guys. They promised term limits -2 terms and out -yet Wamp is still in Congress, running for yet another term.
Discuss.
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Jesus H. Christ
July 23, 2010 8:31 PM
If Zach Wamp lived in the Israel he'd be called a terrorist
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FlownOver
July 24, 2010 11:02 AM in reply to Jesus H. Christ
As it is, he's merely a traitor.
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susanthe
July 23, 2010 9:53 PM
Excellent! No more red state welfare from my northern state to yours, Mr. Wamp. You and your state won't be missed.
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Pugbane
July 23, 2010 9:56 PM
If we would have known that health reform would drive the crackers out of the union, we'd have passed it twenty years ago!
Don't let the door hit you on ass the way out, you toothless halfwits.
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JonathanU
July 23, 2010 11:58 PM
There seem to be more than a few separatists in the GOP these days... If anything poses an existential threat to this country, it is separatism, and this idea is coming from the right. Really these people are proposing to scuttle the country altogether if they don't get their way politically. I don't see why Democrats don't make this more of an issue.
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barnacle
July 24, 2010 12:10 AM
Zach Wamp. I just like to say it.
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lawschooldropout
July 24, 2010 12:48 AM
A small, immaterial fact seems to have escaped the citizens and politicians in the great state of Tennessee.
Tennessee has "government ran health-care", and has had for over 16 years. And, if you look through news articles over the past few years you will find that the biggest issue, or threat, to the state's solvency has been out of state residents crossing the border to receive government run health-care. Now, I don't profess to be a genius, but I am willing to bet that "Obamacare" will most likely benefit the state financially, if for no other reason than reducing out of state TennCare fraud. And even if Mr. Wamp were to successfully lobby for the repeal of government ran health-care on a federal level, the great state of Tennessee would still be a provider of government run health-care.
As they say, there is 6 in one, and a half dozen in another.
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July 24, 2010 2:06 AM
Zack Wamp is a lunatic, if he actually did get elected, which knowing some of these nuts in this state, it could happen. I rather doubt he would try to secede from the union. This state depends on the federal govt way too much, because these moron's do not believe in a state income tax. Yes, Tn is regressive in it's taxation, we have one of the highest sales tax in the country.
TennCare, was set up as universal state coverage, for people that could not get coverage with Ins. companies. If you had a pre-existing condition and had proof that you were denied coverage, you could apply and receive TennCare. Any child that did not have insurance (this was before CHIPS) had coverage, at the time, a high percentage of Tennessean children did not have any coverage. Medicaid would pay the state the monies for children at or below the poverty rate.
Then, this country went crazy, and Tn. elected Sundquist, that allowed people that should have never qualified for TennCare, due to income, more than 250k a year, or already had insurance, and used TennCare as a 2nd insurance. It was a huge mess, my husband works for the state. Sundquist, could not seem to keep anyone in charge of TennCare, they either dipped their fingers in the fund, for things not even for health care, such as the wonderful golf courses in this state. Yes, we have golf courses designed by master pro golfers, I am not into golf, but they say on the signs who they are. The state did not have the money for state parks, but we did have money for golf courses. Money that was suppose to go to TennCare. I could go on, but he had the State Employee's Pension and Insurance so screwed up, that my husband received a few months of not having to pay his insurance, because the state employee's over paid and this was caught during an audit done by our now Gov. Bredesen.
I wonder what would happen, if these lunatics, got their wish and actually did secede. The older crazies, which relies on Social Security and Medicare, would no longer have those benefits, since they are benefits to U.S. citizens. Most people in this state are dirt poor, and rely on the state thru Federal Assistance. What do you think would happen if Wamp got his wish. I would foresee, a riot at the Governor's Mansion in Nashville, and Zack Wamp would be barricaded in the basement that the citizens of Tn paid for with the help of the Federal Tax monies by Homeland Security. It would be total Anarchy.
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Ron Jeremy
July 24, 2010 4:48 AM
Please, secede. Then let every redneck pick up a hunting rifle and gather in to an old fashioned militia, and see how they fare against a division of Army Air Cav. Fifty helicopter gunships and some light artillery should adjust the electoral rolls quite nicely in a matter of days.
Then we can begin Reconstruction II, and get it right this time.
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rhallnj
July 24, 2010 5:59 AM
Is that a promise? Truthfully, we would be better off without the parasitic South.
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July 24, 2010 6:05 AM
Pls, Mr. Wamp, do the country a favor and take TN out of the union... real Americans have no room for entertaining inbred idiots... real Americans have no room for racist bigots like you... Per Mr. Abraham Lincoln, you need to get your white butt ready for some non-white penis....in the mean time, get yourself read for my white penis...
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FlownOver
July 24, 2010 11:01 AM
Treason. Literal treason from a member of Congress.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
July 24, 2010 12:03 PM in reply to FlownOver
Sedition actually. Treason is making war upon the United States, or any of them, or adhering to their enemies giving them aid and comfort. Advocating treason is mere sedition which is problematic because a series of Supreme Court decisions from back in Commie Hunt days made it damn near impossible to write a sedition statute that passes First Amendment muster.
Except for people in the military, where sedition is still a crime under the UCMJ.
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July 24, 2010 11:59 AM
Where do these people come from and why don't they keep the doors locked there?
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jonez
July 24, 2010 12:01 PM
The states aren't going anywhere. They'd all be broke in a couple of years. Especially after we finished kicking the crap out of them like we did in 1865.
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JonBrownzBody
July 24, 2010 1:07 PM
The Crazy Train to Tennessee just left the station. Statements like this allow the the TeaPeeps to huff and puff and feel all patriotic in their squishy insides. Juvenile, ill advised and unreasonable comments like Zack's, however do nothing more than demonstrate that this band of the political spectrum 'ain't got nuthin'. Doesn't Zack understand that if TN is no longer in the Union, they won't get to participate in all the investigative FUN that Michelle B is planning after they take back their country. Seriously, he wouldn't want those Volunteers who are of the 'right mind' to miss out on that
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JD in TN
July 24, 2010 1:36 PM
Republicans are doubling down on the "crazy" as the primary season comes to a close (primaries in Tennessee are August 8). They want to imitate Arizona, they want to follow Texas.
Incidentally, Wamp's congressional district is dependent on the Federal Government, including the headquarters for TVA and the Oak Ridge National Laboratory. If he's really so opposed to Big Gummint, why doesn't he start by closing them down?
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biff diggerence
July 25, 2010 9:38 AM in reply to JD in TN
Because the asshole realizes he'd have to purchase them outright from the US Government.
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eve
July 24, 2010 1:50 PM
Yes, because of the some of the southern repubs are crazy and/or repulsive lets hate all southern states and southerners.
Just like we should hate Minnesota because of Bachmann or Alaska because of Palin.
Yes, let's help the Tea Party by being the bigots that hate the south and make sure that we insult southern independent voters so as to drive them away from ever considering voting for a Democrat.
This north versus south shit is ridiculous. Are some of you stuck in the 1860's?
Here are some more southerners you can hate.
Truman Capote
William Faulkner
Martin Luther King
Larry McMurtry
Barbara Jordan
Booker T. Washington
Jimmy Carter
Bill Clinton
Buddy Holly
Ray Charles
George Washington Carver
Al Gore
Willie Nelson
Jack Daniel :)
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cosliberal
July 24, 2010 1:53 PM
Don't make promises you can't keep! And when you go, take the other idiots with you...Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, SOuth Carolina...and so on.
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Numbersguy
July 24, 2010 4:00 PM
The main problem with the end of the War of Southron Treason was that Lincoln did not hang every single one of the southron traitors. But now, I say, get you degenerate treasonous asses OUT of my country!! The sooner we are done with the assholes south of normal America, the better. We don't marry our sisters in normal America. We don't take more federal aid than we contribute. The South is a region of parasitic degenerates. There is nothing of value south of I-70.
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shag11
July 24, 2010 6:54 PM
Let Texas go, it's an back-asswards state anyway.
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Frankel1205
July 24, 2010 8:03 PM
Please seceed, please oh please oh please! Or I've got a better idea! Take all the Tennesseans down to TX, blow TX off the map, make OK a seaport, & let Redneck Nation live on "Bush Island" with their King Ricky Perry. Actually, if TN seceeded, that would be great because then, there would be two fewer RepubliKKKans (Alexander & Corker) in the Senate and many fewer in the House like Marsha Blackburn. Check out Mr. Wamp's bio. He lives in C-Street House, and dropped out of both UNC & U of TN in his freshman year due to drug & alcohol addictions. He never completed his college education, but that's alright, because after he found Jesus, and became, of course, a Republican, the Lord called him to politics. The rest is history.
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mkolb
July 24, 2010 10:18 PM
Happy to let them go. The only fly in the ointment is that within the first month, they'll all apply for foreign aid!
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sheerahkahn
July 25, 2010 2:15 AM
"...states might just have to secede."
Okay with me. buh-bye!
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shortpaw
July 25, 2010 9:04 AM
One time too many. At this point I think it's time we put a mechanism in place that allows Mr. Wamp, Mr. Perry, and all of their anti-democratic, anti-american ilk the wherewithal to "opt-out" of the union. It could be done in an orderly fashion; Just give 'em some chunk of the godforsaken SE, and let those who want to go, go. They aren't "patriots," they don't believe in the constitution, and they suck away too many of my tax dollars. Just go. There's always room for another Third World country. But make certain we have a strong immigration policy in place so they don't sneak back in.
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johndoeser
July 25, 2010 5:38 PM
Please secede. I beg you.
I will enjoy watching the Federal troops march in and arrest all you traitors. Then line up the leaders like Perry,Wamp,a few teahadists, throw in some of the American Taliban and add that traitor Palin. Ready aim fire.
Guess these mental giants dont remember what happened last time they tried to destroy the Union.
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amati1684
July 25, 2010 6:17 PM
This treasonous little troll represents my district, and right now his chances are not looking good for winning the governor's race; I guess he figures it's impossible to be too radical for Tennessee's conservatives. I hope his ludicrous suggestion will dog his tracks right out of office.
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