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Hidden Danger: How The GOP Could Kill Health Reform Without Repealing It


Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA), and Rep. John Boehner (R-OH)

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For all the GOP chest puffing about reversing the new health care law, a full repeal, to put it generously, is a long-term project. Even if they retake the House in November, they almost certainly won't retake the Senate. Even if they retake both the House and the Senate, they'd still have to contend with the filibuster. And even if the filibuster weren't an issue, they'd still have to contend with a Presidential veto. All of that adds up to long odds, and they know it.

But if they do retake the House, even by a slim margin, they could still make a great deal of mischief, effectively sentencing Obama's history-making accomplishment to death by 1000 cuts.

"If Republicans are rewarded with control of the House of Representatives, we will use every means at our disposal to take that case to the American people, and repeal Obamacare lock stock and barrel," said House GOP Conference Chair Mike Pence. "We'll also use whatever means are available to delay implementation of Obamacare."

Pence cited the "power of the purse" -- Congress' prerogative to appropriate funds to federal agencies -- as a key tool at the Republicans' disposal if they win back the House. That's not just bluster.

"The most serious, yet realistic, possibility is precisely the one that you're suggesting: what the Republicans can do through appropriations bills," says Paul van de Water, a health care expert at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

In short, implementing the health care law costs money. "Some money was provided in the health reform bill itself, but not by any means all the administrative funding that will be needed," van de Water said. "If HHS and Treasury don't get appropriations they need to run the law well, that could be a real problem. It's not sexy but it's serious."

This can work one of few ways. House Republicans, in negotiations with the Senate, could demand appropriation levels beneath what's necessary to effectively implement the law. If the two chambers reach an agreement -- even an agreement that leaves the health care law cash strapped -- Obama would be hard pressed to issue a veto. "It's hard for the president to veto a bill because it doesn't provide enough money."

"In theory [they] could cut the funding 10 percent, 15 percent, 20 percent," says Congressional expert Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute. "The problem is, you could do a lot of damage in a lot of different places."

But things could shake out differently. An agreement might not be reached, for instance. Or, similarly, Republicans could simply "refuse to fund the entire Labor-HHS appropriations bill, or...pass an appropriation for Labor-HHS that does not include any funds for implementation of the health care plan," as Ornstein put it.

"They could really bollocks things up if they say 'none of the funds in this bill can be used to administrate the Affordable Care Act," echoes van de Water.

That could lead to a veto and then a showdown between the White House and the Hill, mimicking the 1995 standoff between Bill Clinton and then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

That's a double-edged sword. The 1995 shutdown blew back in the GOP's face politically -- but if the goal is to damage the health care law, it would be an effective tactic. Even if Republicans ultimately relent, weeks or months of delay would take its toll on the implementation of health care reform.

"If they try to go to that extreme, then I think the president's hand is much stronger," van de Water says. "The question is how far are they willing to go, and what the outcome would be."

There are other tricks the GOP could pull, too. "A second thing that they can do is hold a bunch of hearings and try to tie HHS and CMS into knots, by subpoenaing docs calling in of key figures to testify. In effect, deliberate sabotage to gum up the works," Ornstein adds.

It's all but impossible to get Democrats to discuss this threat openly -- it's election season, and they have to hew tightly to the line that a GOP takeover of the House is impossible. But it's not.

The health care law, and therefore Obama, will ultimately be judged by how successful it is. If Republicans retake the House, they're promising to jeopardize that legacy.

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July 23, 2010 1:12 PM   

So much for the "rule of law" that the Repukes seemed to get so much joy crowing about during the Clinton years. Can you imagine the noises they would make if the Democrats applied the same tactic to, say, the Iraq war or Shrub's pet "faith-based" programs?

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July 23, 2010 3:48 PM    in reply to Matt Jones

Obamacare is health reform? Talk about Newspeak...

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July 23, 2010 8:37 PM    in reply to Matt Jones

The Repugs will always do what they are doing.
This is Nixon's party, folks.

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July 24, 2010 12:12 AM    in reply to Zentrails

Actually I am a lifelong Republican and i can tell you these are NOT my kind of Republicans. They care nothing about the common folks, they have great health care that you and i pay for and yet it drives them nuts to think that americans can have decent health care. They are just selfish twits. But let us pay attention to those who are in on this plan and them make certain they are not elected. That means we will have to get off our duffs and campaign for House Members who voted for the great health care bill. lI am a retired RN who worked at a big University Hospital. I got sick seeing sick people who had no health insurance who were finally admitted to our hospital in very far advanced diseases. It is just stupid to leave health care till the critical level occurs and then finally have to take the patient whether they can pay or not. That sort of care is gigantically expensive. Let alone the humal toll. It is just disgusting to think that any one would jostle to get in line to repeal the Health Care bill. Run the bums out!

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July 24, 2010 7:59 AM    in reply to mJJ

Nice speech but your still going to vote for them so it doesn't matter how you feel.

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July 23, 2010 1:35 PM   

This is nonsense. The exchanges will be set up and administered by the states. HHS acts as more of a second line regulatory body (third, if you count the civil and "whistle blower" lawsuits that can be launched by individuals). The best they can do is try to muck up implementation of the tax credits and state Medicaid reimbursements... which would just piss off voters (and insurers) to no end.

Like all the hot air coming from the repeal crowd, this is just bluster.

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July 23, 2010 1:44 PM    in reply to Stroszek

Oye va! Name one Dem initiate, Repukes have not tried to defund. It's genetic.

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July 23, 2010 2:36 PM    in reply to glblank

Death by 1000 cuts is exactly what they have been doing to medicare and medicaid since they started.

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July 23, 2010 3:03 PM    in reply to Stroszek

The Exchanges are a real problem. Constitutionally, I'm not sure how the Federal Government makes states set up exchanges, as the power of the purse in not invoked to my knowledge. Practically, I doubt the Exchanges work better than FEHBP or the Common Wealth Connector system in Massachusetts, both of which are expensive and lack good customer service support.

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July 23, 2010 5:44 PM    in reply to John

keep reading the bill till you get to the part where the federal government changes medicaid matching from 50/50 to 90/10.

There's your purse strings.

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July 23, 2010 6:06 PM    in reply to Stroszek

Congress controls the purse string. So no matter what is already in place, they can starve it to death by withholding funds.

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July 23, 2010 1:36 PM   

That's assuming all the centrist and moderate Republicans (and they would have to be, in order to retake the house, be from moderate to liberal districts) go along with this, and don't decide to fund HCR anyways.

Which would be lovely to watch, especially the screaming matches on Fox.

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July 23, 2010 6:09 PM    in reply to Ingoman

moderate Republicans??? isn't that as mythical as a unicorn???

besides, we all know republicans have the golden tongue of telling the public one thing and doing the exact opposite all the while saying it's exactly what their campaign platform was based on.

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July 23, 2010 1:36 PM   

Their best bet is probably not to actually repeal it, but just to make sure it's a disaster. Quietly fund the parts we all hate but their masters love (private insurance mandate, for example) while undermining the rest of it. They'll make it so horrible that we'll be another 70 years before somebody's willing to take a crack at a modern, humane health-care system in this country. They'll do the same with the CFPA if they can, and they'll get even more help from the righty Dems.

They're Republicans. They're convinced government can't do anything right, and when elected they set out to prove it.

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July 23, 2010 1:44 PM    in reply to libdevil

Hm, I don't think it's even possible to deny funding to the mandate. It's just an income tax penalty. (Of course, I guess if the Republican goal is to defund the popular parts of the bill while leaving the unpopular parts intact, that just makes their job easier...)

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July 23, 2010 6:14 PM    in reply to mcc

why do you think they insisted on having those unpopular parts put in in the first place? They've convinced their based it's an entirely Democrat bill so if they leave their provisions intact, it'll prove to their base Democrats can't write a bill that services the needs of the public without wasting taxpayer dollars.

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July 23, 2010 1:38 PM   

I'm not sure if this posture will actually hurt the Republicans with the electorate any. It seems like the right identifies "Obamacare" as something worth fighting to destroy, but the left doesn't view it as something worth fighting to preserve.

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July 23, 2010 2:05 PM    in reply to mcc

They will if the Republicans try to destroy it.

Remember when the Dems lost the Massachusetts seat in the Senate and everybotdy thought that all was lost?

That time ALL the Dem advocacy groups pulled together and fought so that it would pass.

The same thing would happen here too.

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July 23, 2010 2:45 PM    in reply to Maritza

I hope you're right. But, it seems like Democratic unity is severely lagging right now.

It seems like prominent voices on the left see nothing but fault with Obama and his agenda. They seem to be pounding him just about as much as the right.

It seems that people are clinging too much to this idea that losing the House or Senate is "impossible." It's not.

Some on the left have even argued that it doesn't matter much if Democrats lose, because they're "the same" as Republicans.

Those kind of sentiments don't give me much hope that enough Dems understand the true prospect of Democratic losses and the gravity of Republicans gaining control of the House and/or Senate.

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July 23, 2010 3:20 PM    in reply to hewhohasnoname

The left rallied around Clinton about fifteen seconds after he lost his majority in Congress after two years of bitching and sniping and backshooting because he was too moderate. After it was too late do do any goddamned good, in other words. I even seem to recall some people claiming to have learned their lesson about such things.

They then attacked Gore for being a corporate shill and said he was indistinguishable from Bush and said Nader's run was a good thing because it would put pressure on Gore to be more liberal.

Then sometime during the Long Darkness that followed, as the Republic hovered on the brink of ruin and collapse into one-party authoritarianism, they rallied again. Some (Ariana, for example) repented and swore they'd learned their lesson.

Then Obama won, and they started attacking him before he was even inaugurated.

When the Republicans take over Congress in 2013, bring the global economy to a disastrous crash by defaulting on the national debt, refuse to pass a budget, grind the executive and judicial branches to a half by refusing to confirm any appointees, pass endless laws abolishing taxes on rich people and requiring discrimination against blacks, Mexicans and Muslims for Obama to veto, and and spend all of their remaining time ginning up an impeachment proceeding against Obama for his role in the Weatherman terror bombing campaign and presiding while black, I'm sure the left will rally around Obama again, and this time for sure, they'll all say they have surely learned their lesson.

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July 23, 2010 3:47 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Well this time we'll learn our lesson, NCSteve. This time we're gonna be scared enough to fall in line and be loyal and obedient to Dear Leader. We'll all turn into a bunch of centrist kiss asses like you and FreeRider.

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July 24, 2010 9:15 AM    in reply to Riesz Fischer

Ok, I'll bite.

A centrist kiss ass is someone who understands that politics is the art of compromise. A true progressive understands that armageddon is preferable to incremental progress. Thus, given that the majority of Americans are moderate/conservatives, the true progressives will do everything in their power to ensure that the right wing wins, because that way you guys can have fun bitching about how everyone sucks except you.

It's a plan.

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July 23, 2010 3:52 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

and it's been this way forever.
Remember the famous quote from the 1930's humorist Will Rogers: "I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a Democrat."

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July 23, 2010 5:05 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Well stated.
I might not be happy with every single thing the Democrats have done, but I do remember what type of policies got us into theis mess and know for a fact the Republicans will do it again. It's all they know.

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July 23, 2010 6:00 PM    in reply to It's Pat

I don't see we've gotten out of any Republican-initiated messes as a result of anything Obama has done. Guantanamo's still going strong, unemployment's still at 10%, the health insurance reform bill hasn't taken effect yet (and it doesn't really do anything about runaway medical costs), we're not making a move in Iraq, Afghanistan's a vacuum of life and treasure, civil rights are still under seige...

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July 23, 2010 6:35 PM    in reply to Tanjaoui

President Obama has been in office for TWO years now. Bush took 8 years to get us in the mess.
Guantanamo needs the approval of Congress to close.
We have plans to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan
The health reform bill will take time to be enacted. Remember it was just signed into law a few months ago and (as with any new program) new policies will need to be established. I see it as the signing of Social Security; it was not perfect nor did it cover everyone in the beginning but over time evolved.

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July 25, 2010 11:32 AM    in reply to It's Pat

I wish him success. I don't see any of that happening before mid-terms, which might've been a perfect time for Democrats to point to problems solved. Obama came in with a majority in Congress, a mandate for change, high approval ratings, an opposition in complete disarray and awesome rhetorical skill (which we have seen very little of since the election). That would've been the time to effect bold change. Now time's slipping away. A deadlocked Congress looks increasingly probable. Crises are opportunities. I don't think Obama even tried what most Americans wanted: someone to lead, someone who could talk them into real policy solutions and who compromised only slowly after fighting for the maximum possible change. Instead we got someone cutting deals with the pharmaceutical industry behind the scenes and only then going out to sell health care reform...I don't expect instant change or 'pure' legislation. I do expect a President to try for both, and make concessions only as necessary.

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July 25, 2010 12:29 PM    in reply to Tanjaoui

President Obama never had the votes, nor could he have gotten the votes for anything other than what we wound up with. NEVER. If the majority of Senators wanted a P.O., they would have put it in the bill in the first place. He had to cut deals in order to get things off the ground because you always have certain Conserva Dems who from the beginning said no. There might have been a majority of Democrats in the Senate but that is only as far a party goes. You always had to have a certain handful that were not going to support the health care agenda. Nelson, Baucus, Landreiu --- they weren't going to support anything.

President Obama saw what happened with President Clinton and tried to do things differently. Clinton's plan was pretty much dead because of the way he approached it - and I don't think anyone can fault his leadership -; Obama went about it a different way.

I wish President Obama success as well and I'm not giving up.

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July 26, 2010 12:11 PM    in reply to It's Pat

Ayuh. The ship of state doesn't turn on a dime.

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July 23, 2010 5:46 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

YOU'RE MISSING THIS:

guess who will fight hard for Obamacare

Kaiser Permanente

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July 23, 2010 3:08 PM    in reply to mcc

Exactly. It is a bad bill that needs to be repealed and replaced. It has no natural base of support.

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July 23, 2010 4:34 PM    in reply to John

I disagree. I think the part of the bill that doesn't allow discrimination on pre-existing conditions is pretty good, I also like the fix for medicare part D "donut hole", i like the fact that this bill adds new people to the insured category rather than the uninsured category. Yeah it's not single payer but with congress being the way it is these days, and lobbying being what it is and the general malaise bar the tea party of the electorate during this recession it seems rather pragmatic. Maybe you disagree and think the president and the Dem controlled congress should play hardball but unfortunately I think the reality and its recent history would not believe this to be true.

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July 23, 2010 6:03 PM    in reply to JoshQuasimoto

He never plays hardball. He never tries to play hardball. He doesn't have it in him.

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July 24, 2010 12:26 AM    in reply to JoshQuasimoto

As a retired RN I can tell you that the Health Care bill that struggled through and won approval is great in comparison to what we had. It has a lot of preventive care in it, early intervention and care for children that is stepped up so our population will grow up healthier. From a nursing point of view, the new law is wonderful. It may not be implemented as smoothly as we might like, but it bugs me now that I can get great care as a medicare beneficiary and then I see kids untreated. Makes no snese to me whatsoever. I want kids cared for first and our health care in the future will be much less expensive!

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July 23, 2010 1:42 PM   

Americans are sophisticated enough, IMO, to understand when the 'rule of law' has been circumvented, and when the constitution has been shredded. This tactic will not play well, especially with the Republicans who want some of the HCR elements (like children staying on your policy until 26) enacted. Populism is on the rise and these turkeys are blind to the fact that they are what's for dinner.

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July 23, 2010 2:31 PM    in reply to RM

"Americans are sophisticated enough, IMO, to understand when the 'rule of law' has been circumvented..."

Huh? You really believe this?

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July 23, 2010 6:31 PM    in reply to Frex

Took that question right out of my mouth!!!

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July 23, 2010 3:05 PM    in reply to RM

I'm afraid you grossly overestimate the sophistication of the American electorate, or large parts of it, anyway.

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July 23, 2010 6:06 PM    in reply to jdb316

Independents - the demographic both parties try so hard to pander to - are pretty sophisticated. The problem is both parties make the mistake of treating them like zombie centrists.

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July 23, 2010 1:42 PM   

Are any of you NetRoots reading this. Of course its Obama's fault

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July 23, 2010 1:53 PM   

I just read Pence's bio on Wikipedia and from what I can tell, aside from being a right-wing idealogue, he has never authored a single bill.

His statement above is more hot-air from a blowhard who actually believes he has a shot at the Presidency!

That type of muddied, uncritical-thinking disqualifies him for the job before the first caucus!

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July 23, 2010 3:25 PM    in reply to Captain Crunch

IIRC, that was one of the 'substantive' criticisms the GOP presented against Senator Kerry during the 2004 Presidential campaign.

I think if Mr. Pence finds himself in the running for the nomination, our fellow citizens who are disposed to vote GOP should be reminded of that.

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July 23, 2010 1:57 PM   

sorry but they ain't gonna take the house. Senator Blutarski will take care of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Hm1QyypyE

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July 23, 2010 2:00 PM   

That will only work if the House and the Senate are run by Republicans.

Obama WILL veto a bill if they try to defund the health care bill.

Defunding the bill puts Seniors and children at risk and I could see Obama BLASTING the Republicans every single day until there is no more shut down of government.

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July 23, 2010 3:11 PM    in reply to Maritza

I think Pres. Obama is smart enough to work well with a strong Republican majority, especially where the people support them, as with repealing and replacing PPACA.

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July 23, 2010 5:32 PM    in reply to John

You mean "cave", right?

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July 24, 2010 8:52 AM    in reply to John

Except people don't actually support repealing and replacing any of the actual contents of the PPACA except for the individual mandate, but if you move to repeal the individual mandate, the insurance companies will flip out. If you think the public will support GOP efforts to strip new consumer protections, you're looking forward to some serious disappointment. If you think the GOP will cross insurers, you're looking forward to even more.

The reality is that this is center-right bill (as evidenced by the support of the likes of Bill Frist and Bob Dole), and while the GOP will pander to its delusional base now, they're not going to do anything meaningful to repeal something that looks a lot like what might have been passed by a President Dole or President Romney, especially as public support continues its upward trajectory while right-wing fear-mongering proves misguided.

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July 23, 2010 2:00 PM   

In our new improved nation it is difficult to justify putting money into health care.
More funding for our killing machines, however, is a slam dunk!

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July 23, 2010 2:02 PM   

If the Republicans pull that stunt then Congresses approval rating (now under Republicans) will be 2%.

Americans DO NOT WANT REPEAL AND THEY DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN EITHER.

That would be a LOSER for Republicans for sure especially since most of the stuff for health care reform in 2011-13 are the GOOD STUFF. The bad stuff happens in 2014.

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July 23, 2010 3:57 PM    in reply to Maritza

The American people voted, overwhelmingly, these people into office to do just what they've done. We've been treated to the losing party being giant babies and rabblerousers, the likes of which I don't ever recall seeing (but I'm only 30). That's a nice standard to set for our children, these pathetic whiny Congressboys.

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July 23, 2010 2:05 PM   

HCR needs to be, and should have been, framed as a moral issue. Dems and progressives need to saturate the media with stories of children being denied health care, people losing everything b/c their insurance co. dropped them after being diagnosed with cancer.

HCR is a big issue for me b/c I have health problems and always live in fear of my insurance company dropping me. I also have sympathy for those who are sick & can't afford proper care.

If the rethugs call themselves the "moral majority" then we need to hold their feet to the fire and stop letting a minority of people (ie teabaggers) prevent people from getting the medical care they need.

HRC isn't about politics. I'm planning on beginning a letter writing and phone call campaign to all GOPers who want to repeal HCR and ask them who they would deny care to. My goal is to make them feel uncomfortable and give honest answers (they don't have any b/c their heads are up the a$$ of wall street).

They're nothing but hypocrites for calling themselves "pro-life" yet repealing a law that gives people better access to preventative and life-saving treatment.

Sorry for the rant. This is an issue that fires me up. These thugs in congress have no compassion. Period.

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July 23, 2010 6:01 PM    in reply to bdog207

Let me tell you in on a little Republican secret. There is an amazing cure for feeling guilty about all the suffering caused by your actions - you just mix capitalism with believing that accepting jesus as your savior = guaranteed heaven.

Who cares if innocent sick people die? The country has a few less mouths sucking on my capital gains' juicy teats, and if they're good Christians, they'll be in friggin-paradise.

win-win

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July 23, 2010 2:35 PM   

If the GOP retakes a House majority -- and that means, if they get 218 seats or more -- they will forget all about HCR and everything else. They will impeach the President. They just won't be able to help themselves. They will find something, the tiniest thing, or even nothing. That's something the Democrats should be running on, besides making it about Bush. The tagline would be something like: "Do you want the Clinton impeachment circus all over again? Then vote Republican."

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July 23, 2010 3:09 PM   

You know, people kinda laugh off the impeachment stuff. But, I don't think those people realize how obsessed with impeachment many on the right are...

The radical voices on the right have goaded "mainstream" politicians to take far-right positions, and do their darnedest to bend over backward to please radicals on the right.

There's no reason to believe that the tendency to embrace radical right thinking would cease if Republicans gained more Congressional power. In fact, it may intensify since they would actually have power to do something about their anger. Impeachment -- even without grounds -- could very well be the avenue they choose.

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July 23, 2010 3:37 PM    in reply to hewhohasnoname

Exactly. They believe that impeachment-per Tom DeLay no less-gave them the White House in 2000. (We know that the Supreme Court gave it to them, but no matter.) It's always "Party First" with the GOP. To Hell with America, or the American people.

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July 23, 2010 3:47 PM   


Let them try it. Let them even shut down the government for lack of a budget. The lines of "furlough Congress" will be back and President Obama will cruise at 30,000 feet to re-election.

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July 23, 2010 3:55 PM   

Duh. This is their tactic always. Break government and then point their finger and say "look! ZOMG! guvmint is broken!" They've been doing it all along with their obstructionism and excessive filibusters and this is just another way of doing it that was perfectly foreseeable.

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July 23, 2010 4:56 PM    in reply to Sniffit

Couldn't agree more. The only difference is that when the GOP had both houses and the Dem's didn't like what bills and laws they were presented such as those dealing with Iraq, Patriot Act etc. the GOP's message against the Dem's filibuster or threatened funding was to call them "Un patriotic" "Un-American" "Defunding America's troops". Talk about hardball. The minority party disagrees with the president to a certain extent regarding his evidence to invade Iraq and its perceived threat and his party shouts "traitor, un-patriotic, un-american, against the troops" fast forward 7+ years and the GOP is going to run on the platform to bankrupt a policy before it's implemented? Seriously? We had to put up with 7+ years of laws like NLCB, which wasn't properly funded or shown to be particularly effective and our current President and Congress thinks it's a bad idea to have over 50 million uninsured Americans and private health-care system whose cost are 100's of times what they were two decades ago and thus decide to pass a mediocre although a step forward health-care law. And the GOP simply before its fully implemented want to gut it? That's their platform? If one thing is apparent in recent American history it is that rash decisions never lead to good outcomes. Do you disagree? Yet this is the modern day GOP. Regardless of the fact that we are in a long-term recession, despite the fact that wages have been stagnant for over a decade, despite the fact that our deficit has never been higher and despite the fact that we are fighting two wars very far from our shores the GOP has the audacity to run on a platform of short term emotion, knee-jerkness or rashness. They have decided that the obvious emotional instability of the current american climate must be added to by not even allowing the American people to see the full implementation of our new Health-car law, or now the Wall-Street law. Of course they know what's best, lest just look at their record; during reagan's term he leaves office with a higher national debt and larger government, also leaves while being investigated for Iran-Contra affair, Bush I leaves office amid minor recession with higher national debt and larger government, then we have GWBush who leaves office amid the deepest recession/depression since the great depression and two ongoing wars and national policy failures like the AMA Act of 2003 and NLCB. I don't know about you but I wouldn't put anything on the GOP having any solutions in terms of getting out of this hole, with the exception of starting another war so government money can go to private contracts (ala government stimulus by another means). I am tired of our wars abroad, I think unfortunately we have to support Iraq in any way they and their closest neighbors choose to see fit, and in Afghanistan I think it is important to get better regional involvement from Pakistan and India, even perhaps Iran, but to ensure that we continue to support building schools, roadways and having a place in their community as a partner.

The GOP has no clothes and hasn't had any clothes for the better part of the last 3 decades. When is someone just going to say the obvious, the GOP is naked! I know that must give a shudder to some.

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July 23, 2010 4:07 PM   

That little dollop of manhood Pence will never get over the fact that Indiana went BLUE in 2008.

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July 23, 2010 5:51 PM    in reply to clemenceau

I think that pence may be a bit light in the loafers

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July 23, 2010 6:03 PM    in reply to clemenceau

Perhaps the most error most fatal to the Republic was conflating sports and lawmaking.

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July 23, 2010 5:50 PM   

So if they take the house it can still die in the senate and i want to see them take away preconditions or 25 year old off their parents plan and if they get lucky and take both hoses the still have to over come a veto. however if the American people are dumb enough to give them full power than they deserve the leadership that they got for the last 8 years under Bush.

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July 23, 2010 5:52 PM   

Guys. Are you all joking?

What powerful interests stand to gain enormously from Obamacare?

For a hint, look at the name on the little card in your wallet that you have to give to doctors before they'll treat you.

No not your name.

It's the same reason why the wars have been going strong despite years of public opposition.

Corporate sponsorship lifts all boats (with free money inside them).

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July 24, 2010 8:56 AM    in reply to dotkommissar

This is basically the heart of it. The public won't support efforts to repeal the popular parts of the bill, and the insurance industry won't support efforts to repeal the unpopular parts of the bill. Doctors and pharmaceutical companies are looking at a bonanza from the influx of new customers.

The GOP is pandering to the crazies in their base because it's a mid-term election year (see the Dems' resolute "anti-war" stance of 2006 for reference). If they regain the majority in 2011, they'll go back to being the "socialist" party that pushed through an unfunded, half-trillion dollar expansion of Medicare entitlements.

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July 23, 2010 5:53 PM   

there is a new movie coming out starring Rush Limpballs title going to the islands in search of little boys

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July 23, 2010 7:47 PM   

That is useless snark. Please say something.

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July 23, 2010 7:53 PM   

The Republican Party is bankrupt on ideas and has no grasp of governance.

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July 23, 2010 8:51 PM   

"If Republicans are rewarded with control of the House of Representatives, we will use every means at our disposal to take that case to the American people, and repeal Obamacare lock stock and barrel," said House GOP Conference Chair Mike Pence. "We'll also use whatever means are available to delay implementation of Obamacare."

Well said Mike Pence and the American People will expect no less of the Republican Party, if Obamacare is not repealed 'lock stock and barrel' the Republic is in grave danger of not being restored without bloodshed!

I Hate Democracy

Restore the Republic and the Constitution to its rightful place in Government

CHEERS...

GOOD NIGHT NOW!

p.s. Due to the volume of lying, emotional and hateful remarks by progressives directed at me, I will no longer reply to any post filled with personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities.

If you expect a reply from me act nicely!

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July 23, 2010 10:05 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Asshole.

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July 25, 2010 12:58 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

the reason you get so many personal attacks, is because you are ill-informed, unfair, and just plain-old run of the mill stupid. As for that reply that yo petulantly threaten to withhold, I'll just have to learn to live without it.

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July 25, 2010 1:33 PM    in reply to Prefabfan

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

No, you are incorrect. The reason I get so many personal attacks is because 'personal attacks' are part of the progressive game plan...progressives are expected to behave badly in the face of opposing views, while conservatives must maintain a higher standard of conduct when engaging the enemy.

When progressives follow me around TPM just to attack me it proves and demonstrates how weak they really are...and they're very weak indeed! Your combine weaknesses is why you and MSNBC are losing in the 'free market of ideas' while FOX News is kicking your hallucinating asses.

By 2012 you will not be able to find a Democrat running for office that will fess up to being a 'progressive', must less a liberal because the truth is out about your false doctrine and ideology. Americans still love their Republic and their Constitution and will not let you progressives transform this nation into a Socialist State.


So, you can tried to restrain yourselves from personal attacks and engage me on my talking points or follow me around like a cyber-stalker proving my points about progressives and progressivism. And I just love it when progressives behave so badly, I really do...like I have honestly said before,"If you really want to hurt me, you would just ignore me". But some here are really too stupid to figure that one out!


The choice is yours because I'm dying and I want to spend my last dying hours fighting progressives here at TPM, so I'm not going any where...ha..ha...ho..ho..this constitutionalist has no place to go...but here!

I Hate Democracy

Restore the Republic and the Constitution to its rightful place in Government

CHEERS...

GOOD NIGHT NOW!

p.s. Due to the volume of lying, emotional and hateful remarks by progressives directed at me, I will no longer reply to any post filled with personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities.

If you expect a reply from me act nicely!


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July 23, 2010 8:56 PM   

The GOP thinks Americans want insurers to be able to keep locking them out when they are sick. They think Americans don't mind working wage-jobs with no insurance.

They also think there is vast support to put them back in power. I say wrong on all counts.

- Balkingpoints / www

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July 23, 2010 10:51 PM   

The "defunding" stunt leads directly a veto which results in shutting down the government. Ask Newt Gingrich about shutting down the government. The first service people miss is their social security checks. They miss those checks bad. Obama has the megaphone. It won't be hard for him to do to the Republicans what Clinton did to them the last time the government was shut down.

The only way Boehner's plan works is if Obama caves. If he sticks to his guns defunding healthcare would prove to be a disaster for Republicans.

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July 23, 2010 10:59 PM   

Here is a fox news piece attacking a possible public option....
http://www.newslook.com/videos/231935-public-option-back-on-table

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July 23, 2010 11:16 PM   

Unlike the pussy democrats the republicans regain control they will never cower, be afraid to subpoena, never negotiate with their own only to weaken a bill or be bipartisan

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July 23, 2010 11:38 PM   

The key will be for Obama to ask Speaker Boehner, "What do we replace HCR with?" And then he can veto any budget without HCR funding, until the GOP provides a replacement plan.

I don't think the GOP will have enough unity among its Tea Party members and old-timers to craft a politically viable replacement HCR. If they do, it will be as easy for Democrats to assail as "Obamacare" was for Republicans.

The political narrative will, as a result, be cast as "Obamacare isn't the best solution, but the GOP's attacks on it will only mess up American health care worse."

Maybe we lose provisions of Obama's HCR. But the political momenum of the GOP '11 gets ground to dust.

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July 24, 2010 7:15 PM   

All the more reason to cheer the GOP on in taking over the House. I don't think you get it, Obamacare is the REASON the GOP is going to take over the House. The country HATES it.

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July 25, 2010 8:06 AM    in reply to sailingaway

Except a plurality support it...

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July 26, 2010 10:52 AM    in reply to Stroszek

BUT . . . But . . . but . . . A plurality of health insurance providers do not . . . That was sailinggw's point:

Republicans are for health insurance providers . . . Not flesh and blood citizens.

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July 26, 2010 10:58 AM   

Not once in the last two years have I ever heard the Republicans explain anything positive that they were going to do for the America people--not a single time.

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July 26, 2010 4:14 PM   

But then fascists are like that. They just care about lining their pockets and to hell with the rest of us.

What a shame the teabagging/gop aren't smart enough to see that.

But them I guess they like working at minimum wages, poor health care, and no rights.

It's scary to think they're allowed to drive a vehicle, vote and procreate. In a few decades the USA will have more idiots than intelligent people.

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