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In New Study, Two Economists Argue That Bush And Obama's Intervention Prevented Depression


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So has the Obama economic program been working? While the economy certainly continues to have problems, the Obama administration -- and some members of the Bush administration -- have consistently argued that things would have been worse without their intervention. And now, two economists have published a study arguing in favor of that very idea, saying that there's quantitative evidence that the interventions of the Obama and Bush administrations helped avert a depression.

As the New York Times reports, a new economic paper from Princeton professor and former Fed vice chair Alan S. Blinder and Moody's chief economist Mark Zandi argues that the combination of financial reforms such as TARP, bank stress tests and emergency lending by the Fed, plus the stimulus, have indeed saved the economy from far worse problems.

The report also finds that while the financial reforms alone would have been been stronger than the stimulus alone, the whole is not directly comparable to the sum of the parts in isolation, "because the policies tend to reinforce each other."

From the Times report:

In a new paper, the economists argue that without the Wall Street bailout, the bank stress tests, the emergency lending and asset purchases by the Federal Reserve, and the Obama administration's fiscal stimulus program, the nation's gross domestic product would be about 6.5 percent lower this year.

In addition, there would be about 8.5 million fewer jobs, on top of the more than 8 million already lost; and the economy would be experiencing deflation, instead of low inflation.

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"While the effectiveness of any individual element certainly can be debated, there is little doubt that in total, the policy response was highly effective," they write.

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July 28, 2010 12:00 PM   

But no one cares, because bailouts deficit something something. We've somehow built a media/political system that punishes people for doing the right thing.

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July 28, 2010 12:11 PM    in reply to mcc

The left is equally responsible for the bad way these interventions are perceived with their constant harping about "bailouts" as if they weren't absolutely crucial at the time.

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July 28, 2010 12:45 PM    in reply to PollyJunkie

I'm not going to disagree, except I don't think it's "equal" on the bailouts thing-- the no-bailouts crowd on the left is much much smaller, however vocal they are, and are basically some angry people on Internet message boards. The bailout demagogues on the right are, like, high ranking elected officials.

Hilariously I think the blame might be more equal on the STIMULUS. Have you read any of the Krugman axis blogs lately? They are a few weeks in to a focused campaign with the excellent goal of getting Congress to pass its stalled out jobs legislation, but they think the way to do this is constantly slam the stimulus as worthless and ineffective and slam the administration whenever they try to talk it up. And we've heard that drumbeat for about the last year and a half nonstop. That the stimulus should have been three times larger, it wasn't, therefore it's a failure. How's that for a public persuasion strategy? "My preferred solution, government stimulus, is completely ineffective! We must do more of it immediately!". The people in positions to communicate why and how leftish ideas on economics work to the general public are instead engaged in quixotic scorched-earth persuasion campaigns for more stimulus against Democrats that already agree with us that we need more stimulus. And gosh what a coincidence, somehow people are confused and ignorant about whether leftish economic ideas are working.

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July 28, 2010 12:57 PM    in reply to mcc

Er, where has Krugman been panning the stimulus other than to say it was too small?

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July 28, 2010 1:27 PM    in reply to hunter

Krugman has been panning the stimulus as too small for about the last year and a half. I think that was what I said? The problem is though that we're not right now having a public debate about whether the stimulus was too small, we're more having a national debate about whether the stimulus was an expensive waste of money. Krugman often sure sounds like he's arguing the stimulus was a waste of money. At some point you're pulling on the wrong end of the Overton Window...

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July 28, 2010 12:54 PM    in reply to PollyJunkie

Attack of the false equivalence!

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July 28, 2010 2:36 PM    in reply to PollyJunkie

Saving the economy was never enough for the net Left. The government intervention didn't stop all job losses, end mortgage forclusure, punish the bankers both personally and corporately, and most of all didn't abolish Wall Street and bring in a post-capitalist order. Therefore it was a total failure compared to what might have been if only Obama had displayed his testicles on TV.

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July 28, 2010 2:42 PM    in reply to OhioGuy

Your summation is spot on. Kudos!

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July 28, 2010 12:19 PM    in reply to mcc

We've built a media system that assumes everyone is intellectually lazy and incapable of understanding anything beyond kindergarten level complexity. And it soon becomes a self-fulfilling exercise. Feed people nothing but Dick and Jane and their brains turn to mush.

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July 28, 2010 12:18 PM   

The Left is certainly in a quandry here...because you can't pre-empt the other sides argument that it didn't work every time you need to debate...but it's also clear that if you don't explain that it really worked, then they'll make the argument that it didn't, and then arguing on the defensive will never allow the left to get across a good message about the economy. But...the smart voters will realize this, and long-term it certainly helps the left that the dems saved the economy.

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July 28, 2010 1:13 PM   

It's reasonable be upset about how bailouts were done while acknowledging they were necessary. The problem is conflating HOW they were done with WHETHER they should have been done. It's also tough to take credit for crises that are averted rather than resolved. People can see 9.5% unemployment, but not 15% theoretical unemployment, but how anyone can't see how bad it would have been for the financial system to really collapse astounds me. Think about credit cards and ATMs suddenly not working, many banks being unable to lend, and the rest unwilling. I'm critical of how the bailout worked or was proposed, but that it was necessary, I say yes, even when that means giving partial credit to Bush.

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July 28, 2010 1:32 PM    in reply to ericf

I think it's possible to avoid giving Bush credit! He doesn't seem to have held much of a leadership role in the crisis response from anything I saw and seems to have mostly just sat there like a rock and signed pieces of paper people put in front of him. Hank Paulson probably deserves some real credit, though?

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July 28, 2010 5:04 PM    in reply to mcc

I give Bush a little credit for, for the one and only time in his life, throwing his wrongheaded dogmatic principles under the bus when they resulted in utter catastrophe rather than doubling down on them. It was utterly uncharacteristic of him. Okay, that's no so much "credit" as "relief," but still.

It still amazes me that so many people don't get the true depth of the abyss we were staring into in October, 2008. I'm more amazed by how many people who understood it very well indeed at the time, press, bloggers, bankers, politicians, and ordinary joes alike, have now utterly forgotten it. Some are just pretending to have forgotten for political or pecuniary gain, but a lot really have just flat out forgotten (or are repressing) the memory of how terrifyingly close we came to complete economic, social and political collapse.

If you've lost your job, you get a pass from me, of course. If you're unemployed, the difference to you between 9.8% unemployment and 17% is 0.

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