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Levin: I Understand Why Gays Are Frustrated By DADT Survey (VIDEO)


Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI)

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Armed Services Committee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin told reporters this morning at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor that he supports surveying troops about the repeal of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell ban on LGBT people in the military. Levin said it can't hurt to take the temperature of military rank-and-file, but cautioned that troops should not feel like they can influence the policy's outcome.

"The military is not a democracy," Levin said. He also said he "can understand the resentment in the gay community" about the phrasing of the survey.

Levin (D-MI) predicted a filibuster over the Defense Authorization measure over the Don't Ask Don't Tell repeal would be highly unlikely this fall. He said he doubts senators who oppose the repeal would block legislation that also approves funding for troops and military benefits, especially since the repeal language is something that can be handled procedurally with a "move to strike" it from the authorization.

Levin said even that isn't going to fly since Congress is taking what he considers to be a "pretty cautious approach" with the repeal effort. "The votes would not be there to strike that," Levin told a handful of reporters after the breakfast concluded.

Levin said during the breakfast that the surveys, which have sparked uproar in the LGBT community, are unprecedented since troops weren't asked when the military increased inclusion of women. "It's a very good idea to get the attitude of the troops on things," he said. But Levin said it's important troops do not think they have "veto power" but rather that they understand they are answering the questions to help implement the inevitable repeal of the Clinton-era policy.

"A lot depends about how the survey is worded ... [the Pentagon must] make sure they understand military leadership made a decision," he said. "[Military leaders are] asking these questions as a way to help us implement this effectively."

Levin said he hadn't yet read the survey (read the survey obtained by TPM here) and isn't yet sure it is "fair." But Levin said that he thinks the Pentagon should have asked if it's okay to discriminate against LGBT people in the first place. He said while some troops would answer they aren't comfortable showering with comrades they know to be gay or lesbian, it's unlikely many would believe their LGBT colleagues should be treated differently. He said as far as he knows, Congress was not consulted on the survey's wording.

He does not believe the survey results should be made public. "They will probably leak but they won't be leaked at my suggestion," Levin said.

Late Update: The Monitor posted some video. Watch:

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July 13, 2010 10:42 AM   

Isn't Christian and Science a contradiction in terms - especially when coupled with politics?

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July 13, 2010 10:57 AM   

Did we poll teachers in white-only schools before requiring desegregation?

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July 13, 2010 11:07 AM   

Bottom line, repeal is gonna happen.

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July 13, 2010 4:20 PM    in reply to Leftflank

We'll see.

The repeal was going NOWHERE until gay soldiers started chaining themselves to the White House and advocates started zapping Barack the Bigot-Coddler's precious fundraising speeches.

In addition to trying to kill repeal, the administration also has been aggressively trying to redefine it from "end" DADT to "responsibly change" DADT.

Your blind faith in this president is unjustified.

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July 13, 2010 11:42 PM    in reply to SkepticalCidada

Where do you get "blind faith"? I like him & where his heart is & that is an extreme 180 from the last administration. Would you call that, blind despise?

You can rant yourself into a lather all that you want, vote for more bush religion to be imposed upon you & nail your wallet shut if you think it's the solution.

Your anger appears to be self defeating to me & I don't see how you expect to attract new supporters by belittling them & the President.

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July 14, 2010 12:45 PM    in reply to Leftflank

That clown has no idea what the hell they were typing about... It's the usual, "Obama didn't do what I wanted right after the inauguration, so he's not committed to it" line... Best to just ignore these folks, since they're so disappointed that President McCain didn't get to try his hand at repealing DADT...

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July 14, 2010 7:42 PM    in reply to ondioline

That's a nice quote. Too bad for you it isn't anywhere in my comment. Please attribute to the proper source.

If the only test for the Obama Administration is whether it is better than Bush or McCain, that is a non-test. Of course they are. And if that's all you can say, you've said very little.

I notice, however, that amid your making up quotes and slurring me, you didn't offer any substantive response to my two complaints. To repeat, those are

(1) the Administration has not merely failed to act; it has affirmatively obstructed attempts by LGBT lobbyists to advance legislation in Congress, and

(2) the Administration has repeatedly taken positions in court that are indistinguishable from those of the Bush Administration in asserting that courts should rule that gays and lesbians have no constitutional right to equality.

Now, if you'd like to address those specifics, fine. If not, I suggest you shut your ignorant mouth.

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July 15, 2010 5:37 PM    in reply to SkepticalCidada

If I wanted to slur you, it would be quite easy. But your "rebuttal" managed to do the work for me, and since I have a life, I'll let your "perspective" speak for itself.

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July 14, 2010 7:47 PM    in reply to Leftflank

Thank you for the lecture. I'll give your smug condescension all the consideration it merits.... Done.

I have no idea and couldn't care less where Barack Obama's heart is, and you don't know where it is either. What I do know is that his political team has aggressively obstructed LGBT lobbyists in Congress and his legal team has aggressively undermined gay rights in court.

The only real progress has come not as a result of the kind of a/s/s-kissing you seem to think is so critical. The only real progress has come as a result of soldiers chaining themselves to his White House and disrupting his speeches.

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July 15, 2010 1:07 AM    in reply to SkepticalCidada

Ass kissing you say, maybe you're distracted. Listen dude, maybe we got off on the wrong foot. I'm on the LGBT side, & as a matter of fact, most people & groups' side. I don't close to agree with your method, but that's only you. And I get that you're not liking me much, to say the least, but again I say, how do you expect to attract support by metaphorically flipping everyone the finger.? Rant 'til your grey & enjoy it, but don't be surprised that you aren't getting what you demand.

Zen says; if you want something so much but cannot have it, try not wanting.

Ka dish day-despues.

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July 15, 2010 3:43 PM    in reply to Leftflank

Oh, this is precious. You slander me as "completely unreasonable," smugly dismiss any criticism of Obama as long as he manages the supreme feat of being not as bad as Bush, and then you have the gall to chastise me for not give you a big sloppy kiss.

You have done nothing but wallow in your privilege since your first comment. Now, let me repeat one more time, because you apparently can't comprehend simple English...

The Obama Administration is both aggressively undercutting LGBT lobbying in Congress and seriously damaging LGBT litigation in Court. Nothing moved on DADT until gay soldiers chained themselves to the White House and protestors disrupted Obama's speeches. He does not move on any significant LGBT matter unless dragged kicking and screaming.

Do you think I've never encountered your kind of superficial, feigned support before? The only thing folks like you ever do is mouth empty support and then aggressively attack anyone who is actually doing the pushing that it takes to advance the ball. "I support you but shut up and get over it" is NOT support. It's posturing, and that's why threatening to take your toys and go home is a completely empty threat. You're aren't doing anything but complaining to start with!

How about YOU go stop wanting your basic civil rights and stop lecturing other people who don't have theirs?

Now if you care to defend your president's undercutting of LGBT lobbying and damaging of LGBT litigation, feel free. But spare me your insulting psychological profiling, presidential excuse-making, and wallowing in privilege.

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July 13, 2010 11:19 AM   

That's the kind of bold Democratic Party leadership that's gotten us from throwing gays out of the military to throwing gays out of the military in only 17 years.

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July 14, 2010 12:42 PM    in reply to Alan in SF

If you have something to say, say it. If you have an approach that you would like to see legislated, express it. Otherwise, maybe you should type less as it makes you look like a fool. But don't be so stupid as to criticize someone whose job is actually getting from a flawed policy championed by a supposedly liberal Democratic President Carl Levin is one of the best, most consistently progressive, pragmatic Senators in the Democratic Caucus.

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July 13, 2010 12:05 PM   

When have "the troops" been given other "surveys"?
This is nothing more than an intimidating "means test" for the determinative screening of, at the very least, the pros from the cons...

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July 14, 2010 12:43 PM    in reply to sean

I suppose you would've preferred the Rumsfeld method of policy change? Just do it without any information about how it might impact the realities that soldiers face?

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