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Las Vegas -- Rep. Michele Bachman brought the conservatives attending RightOnline to their feet multiple times tonight in a keynote speech where she said she'd like to repeal "almost everything" and predicted President Obama is a one-term president.

During the wide-ranging speech at the Venetian casino here, Bachmann (R-MN) bragged she'd reached 40 members of her newly formed Tea Party Caucus, but stressed her goal is not to be a "mouthpiece" for the movement. Instead, she said, members would listen and be an "ear piece."

Bachmann promised that if she were in charge, "You'd have 100 percent repeal of ObamaCare," indicating that she's not in favor of the Republican leadership's less brash "repeal and replace" plan.

"Let's repeal almost everything Nancy Pelosi did," Bachmann said as the crowd applauded wildly. She said she wants "The big mother of all repeal bills."

She talked about tax policy and called Democratic leadership the "Pelosi-Obama-Reid cabal." One speaker was so excited by Bachmann's pitch she shouted, "Run for speaker!"

"The sleeping giant is awake," Bachmann said. "We are going to take back this country the first Tuesday of November. It's going to happen." She later added that the group wants to "just have our country the way that it was before."

She told the crowd that they were hearing it first from her, that Obama won't win reelection in 2012.

Watch some video I shot from the press riser:


She's a huge favorite in the crowd. You can see by this video I shot of Bachmann's arrival:


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July 24, 2010 1:13 AM   

If Obama wins in 2012, I hope he prediction gets played over and over, and someone gets to ask her how she got it wrong when she has her direct line to God.

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July 26, 2010 2:04 AM    in reply to ericf

Ms. Bachmann has a history of amusing misstatements which would be funny if they were (a) actual misstatements not her honest opinion or (b) the mutterings of my old aunt or (c) at least not from an elected official.

How the heck does this nut get re-elected?

Anyhow, here is a story about Bachmann that is fact-based but also FUNNY:

www.dailygoat.com/2010/07/michele-bachmann-breaks-up-with-global-economy-global-economy-secretly-relieved/

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July 24, 2010 1:39 AM   

I was just wondering......

Why is TPM giving this woman and her idiot cohorts free publicity and clicktime?

Do you honestly think that right-wing web sites are breathlessly covering Netroots Nation and giving THEM free space on THEIR sites?

I mean - this is just another of the reasons why the right appears to win the media cycles. Who needs to spend any money or appeal to the public directly when your enemies do it for you?

I really think TPM needs to cut back on the coverage of these groups' events and focus most of the space here to Democratic events and talking points.

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July 24, 2010 1:49 AM    in reply to GayIthacan

I really think TPM needs to cut back on the coverage of these groups' events and focus most of the space here to Democratic events and talking points.

Spoken like a true progressive...


...is that because your side is losing in the free market of ideas?

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July 24, 2010 3:19 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.

Plato - Dialogues, Phaedo

Words that are 3000 years old and you still haven't learned that lesson.

Here's another one that applies to you...

Laws are partly formed for the sake of good men, in order to instruct them how they may live on friendly terms with one another, and partly for the sake of those who refuse to be instructed, whose spirit cannot be subdued, or softened, or hindered from plunging into evil.

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July 24, 2010 12:10 PM    in reply to Squire T

Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me."

"Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?"

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

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July 24, 2010 2:34 PM    in reply to Moloko+

What a beautiful message.

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July 24, 2010 10:51 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

After eight years of ConservativeCare, the economy had tanked, job creation was at an all time low, fewer people had health care the ever, the DOD and CIA was stating that our defense plan had made us less safe, and we were being governed by two oil men, who enriched oil companies while average earnings fell. The problems of the nation were ignored, with a rallying cry of "keep more of your own money" the only credo.
While the economy was tanking in September of 2008, in the meetings that the government held to make sure the US didn't become a failed stated, Obama and McCain met with other officials. Reaction had been slow on the Republican side, as they were more concerned about ignoring the banking mess and the failing economy, as confronting it would be admitting their fiscal policies were failures. Obama put forth his plan, and asked McCain for his. McCain had no ideas to put forth.

We had more risks to life, less liberty and happiness of required more pursuit for all except for the top 2% who were getting tax breaks. This new "free market of ideas" have so far come up with "we don't like what the opposition is doing", "skype would be neat" and "let's quote the parts of the constitution that we really like when we legislate". Your party seems to represent an "idea-free market".

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July 24, 2010 11:07 AM    in reply to Snig

Spot on. Now if only all the Dems would repeat this over and over again, we wouldn't have to worry about November, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, etc. etc., etc.

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July 24, 2010 3:17 PM    in reply to Snig

"After eight years of ConservativeCare"

Don't you remember the economic boom that followed the Bush tax cuts and economic policies ?

ME NEITHER.

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July 24, 2010 5:54 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

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July 24, 2010 6:08 PM    in reply to Hank

To sit back hoping that someday, someway, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last--but eat you he will.--Ronald Reagan

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July 24, 2010 6:12 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Is that a quote from before or after he lost his mind to dementia?

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July 26, 2010 6:15 AM    in reply to farnsworth

There was a before?

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July 24, 2010 6:38 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Reagan's discretionary spending was 307.9 billion in 1981 and 488.8 billion in 1989 - a 58% increase. So, while government revenue increased 40% during Reagan's presidency, discretionary government spending increased 68%. Reagan never balanced a budget. To pay for the difference, Reagan increased total US debt from 1.028 trillion in 1981 to 2.8 trillion in 1989. The debt/GDP ratio of debt under Reagan increased in every year of his presidency from 32.8% in 1981 to 51% in 1989.

Oh and you know how Reagan got his 40% revenue increase? He started raising taxes in 1985. Yes I can give you a partial list. In the previous 4 years his tax intake was static.

So if anyone needed advice about feeding Crocodiles, it was St. Ronnie.

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July 24, 2010 7:43 PM    in reply to Hank

To sit back hoping that someday, someway, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last--but eat you he will.--Ronald Reagan

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July 24, 2010 6:57 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

We might be if your side had any.

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July 24, 2010 8:26 PM    in reply to donquijoterocket

It is out of the lore and experience of the ancients and of all those who have studied the powers of the UnDead. When they become such, there comes with the change the curse of immortality. They cannot die, but must go on age after age adding new victims and multiplying the evils of the world. For all that die from the preying of the Undead become themselves Undead, and prey on their kind. And so the circle goes on ever widening, like as the ripples from a stone thrown in the water.--Van Helsing

Progressives are much like vampires, sucking the life blood out of their victims until the victim is a foul creature of the night themselves until the whole world is living in darkness and the despair of 'Socialism'.

Some of these progressive vampires are right here on this thread sucking the creditability out of this thread until it is a lifeless shell void of any real thought, just mindless hateful foul language that goes on and on for what seems like eternality until the morning light when these foul things must depart for their resting places deep in the bowels of darkness, this makes progressivism such a soulless endeavor and ideology that it must be stamped out forever!

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July 25, 2010 8:50 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

go away!

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July 25, 2010 12:24 PM    in reply to Dabb

Never...I'm needed here to spread the GOOD NEWS!

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July 25, 2010 12:50 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Yes, he is too pathetic to go away. He proves himself a fool with every post. He is never going to change anyone's mind. But that isn't why he is here.

He is like a toddler banging on a pot with a spoon. It makes a loud noise and it forces people to pay attention to him. There is nothing worthwhile about the obnoxious noise he makes. Except it makes is extremely difficult for the adults to ignore him. I guess his life is tiny that he can't get any attention any other way.

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July 24, 2010 9:03 AM    in reply to GayIthacan

Good points.
It would be nice to see some events by Tarryl Clark showcased here. Maybe TPM would consider contacting her staff and arrainging something. It would be refreshing to see the sane side in their campaign race.

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July 24, 2010 9:05 AM    in reply to It's Pat

spell correction: arranging

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July 24, 2010 10:23 AM    in reply to It's Pat

I'm interviewing Tarryl Clark today. Best, C

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July 24, 2010 10:55 AM    in reply to Christina Bellantoni

Excellent. Thanks, Christina

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July 24, 2010 11:48 AM    in reply to Christina Bellantoni

Look forward to reading it.

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July 24, 2010 9:56 AM    in reply to GayIthacan

No, it is good TPM covers this nutcase. She really puts the whole right wing in a bad light.

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July 24, 2010 12:16 PM    in reply to logicpath

We have nothing to fear but fear itself

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July 24, 2010 1:06 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

Because she's the best advertisement there is for why the GOP should never again be allowed to seize power. Her "sleeping giant" quote refers to the famous utterance (at least in the movie) of Japanese admiral Isoroku Yamamoto after attacking Pearl Harbor: "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." If that's how she feels about her fellow Americans, and that Hawaii somehow belongs to the Japanese, boy do we want her egging on the other side.

Anyway she's a truly kooky lady. I've read about conservative political cells, of ex-urban businessmen centered around a charismatic heavily-made-up woman. Katherine Harris, Sarah Palin and Bachman are all examples. Clearly to play that role of queen bee, the queen must sacrifice other traits, like sanity, and is selected for that -- after all, what sane woman would want to be surrounded by a coven of rabid cheeto-eating republican businessmen with weird white picket fence families justifying their predacious business practices with the idea that God gave us this planet to use, He's coming back any minute, and He'll be disappointed if we haven't cleaned our plate by exhausting the world's natural resources now?

I say, tora tora tora.

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July 24, 2010 2:05 PM    in reply to wial

I have to agree with the above assessment. You've just got to keep her in the news, it's such a great reminder of what the Republicans would do if put in-charge.

Bachmann, along with King, Wilson, Pence, etc. are the kings of the 'tin-foil-hat' crowd.

I can see Bachmann at a press conference, tying a bandanna around her head, like the Japanese Kamikaze/Bushido fighters and just flipping out in public!!! I'd pay cash to see that! When she goes, it'll be like a Roman Candle!!!

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July 24, 2010 2:37 PM    in reply to wial

You've changed my mind with this post.
I guess I was frustrated because it seems as if BatshitcrazyBachmann gets a lot of coverage here and it would be nice to have a counterbalance of the other candidate.
But you put things in perspective and yes, we need to be aware and reminded of the type of mentality that permeates within the GOP.

Thanks for that.

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July 24, 2010 1:08 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

This is an issue based on opinion. Your opinion is that it would be better to ignore these things. My opinion is that it is important to shine as much light as possible on the cockroaches.

I don't know what TPM's mission is specifically, but I think when the question is unsettled, erring on the side of more information is the correct choice. I don't think it is ever productive to ignore things.

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July 25, 2010 12:25 PM    in reply to farnsworth

Agreed, I believe this is why we are where we are today, not enough light on the roaches in the corner making shady deals with the devil...

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July 24, 2010 3:49 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

Why is TPM giving this woman and her idiot cohorts free publicity and clicktime?

Do you honestly think that right-wing web sites are breathlessly covering Netroots Nation and giving THEM free space on THEIR sites?

There are two problems here.

The style with which TPM covers people like Micheal Bachmann, the ones that espouse severe positions; like the rest of the Main (Lame) Stream Media, it assumes a stance of FALSE EQUIVALENCY to centrist and progressive positions that are well reasoned and possess foundations of rational thought.

In other words, crazy people do not deserve equal weight to sane people.

In that vein, it would be difficult in the dispassionate, fair and balanced coverage of people like this to go “over the top” with ridicule and derision. Their positions and speech almost demand as much.

I would submit that if TPM (or anyone) provides them coverage, fairness and equivalency DEMANDS that every single one of their contradictory, conflicting, and irreconcilable statements and positions be fully highlighted and articulated--including their open-ended statements that make no sense.

Who gives a shit what the Right-wingnut blogs cover or don't cover?

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July 25, 2010 1:06 PM    in reply to FreemanW

"Who gives a shit what the Right-wingnut blogs cover or don't cover?"

Right on...dude, I don't give a hoot what the "Right-wingnut blogs cover or don't cover" either...the right-wing is not in power. The seditious socialist dirt-bags are in power 'Fundamentally Transforming' this Constitutional Republic into a Socialist State and they need to accountable to "We The People" before they accomplish their seditious goals...

...nice post dude, for a progressive..ha..ha!

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July 26, 2010 2:21 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

. . . The seditious socialist dirt-bags are in power . . .
How absolutely original.

You're such a predictable tool.

It's so refreshing to get your perspective, and that you take the time to provide it here in this forum. I don't have to bother with AM radio and all those horrid commercials just to hear a snippet of Rush Bunghole and his ditto drivel.

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July 26, 2010 2:46 AM    in reply to FreemanW

Does the mean you want me here expressing my distorted dribble?

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July 26, 2010 2:49 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

correction: Does the mean you want me here expressing my distorted dribble?
should be: Does THIS mean you want me here expressing my distorted dribble?

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July 24, 2010 7:42 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

I really think TPM needs to cut back on the coverage of these groups' events and focus most of the space here to Democratic events and talking points.

Spoken like a true progressive...


...is that because your side is losing in the free market of ideas?

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July 25, 2010 12:53 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

The only reason that there is any question about the superiority of our ideas is people like you.

People who are as stupid as you are bamboozled by people who lie like you do.

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July 25, 2010 1:58 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

Actually, RO is a response to Netroots Nation. They hold it at the same time and same place as NN every year. So yeah, they are probably thinking about NN, a lot.

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July 24, 2010 1:46 AM   

In order to "Restore the Republic and the Constitution to its rightful place in Government", 'ObamaCare' must be repealed and socialism defeated starting in 2010.

As for the politically challenged...Obama will be a one term President!

Don't you all listen to your Messiah when the prophetic one speaks?

Hillary Clinton will run as a 'conservative democrat' compared to Obama's radical socialist agenda. The closer we come to 2012 more of the traditional Democratic Leadership will abandon Obama and throw him under the proverbial 'Bus' to be just a historical first in American politics.

I Hate Democracy

Restore the Republic and the Constitution to its rightful place in Government

CHEERS...

GOOD NIGHT NOW!

p.s. Due to the volume of lying, emotional and hateful remarks by progressives directed at me, I will no longer reply to any post filled with personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities.

If you expect a reply from me act nicely!

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July 24, 2010 3:31 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

And why the hell would anyone want a reply from someone as intellectually bankrupt as you? Are you so pathetically sad and arrogant that you honestly think not hearing your drivel is any sort of punishment?

Since you are so hard on Republic's, here's some quotes from Plato's 'Republic', which no doubt you have not read or even heard of.

When there is an income tax, the just man will pay more and the unjust less on the same amount of income.

Wealth is the parent of luxury and indolence, and poverty of meanness and viciousness, and both of discontent.

So, since you love answering with silly questions, I'll leave you with one. Whats the Founding Fathers definition of a Republic?

You are a silly little man.

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July 24, 2010 9:54 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Don't feed the troll.

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July 24, 2010 12:50 PM    in reply to Dylan

This has got to be the stupidest response to any comment on any message board.

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July 24, 2010 9:58 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

fuck off

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July 24, 2010 10:34 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

You act like anybody's comments on here amount to much more than masturbatory.

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July 24, 2010 10:58 AM    in reply to allinit

Yep, that's about right!

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July 24, 2010 11:21 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Thanks for admitting your posts are masturbatory.

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July 24, 2010 11:36 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Sorry, dude, but Democrat or Republican, the guy who won doesn't get thrown under the bus.

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July 24, 2010 12:23 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Shut up, you lying shit stain!

Was that nice enough?

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July 24, 2010 12:36 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Why do you and those who believe as you do still choose to be on the wrong side of history and prisoners of your own ignorance? You're so easily lead by an Australian billionaires (Murdoch - Fox News) right wing propaganda hit machine and college drop out former radio d.j.'s (Limbaugh, Hannity) who make money off of your ignorance. You use words like socialism in contexts that only reveal that you don't actually know that they mean. That you can blog reveals that you're not stupid but the level of ignorance in your words would lead any rational person to conclude that you're either driven by hate or you're a paranoid conspiracy theorist nutter.

How can you still defend the fallacy or rather out right LIE that conservatives are fiscally responsible when history does not agree?

http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html
http://www.thepoliticalcarnival.net/2010/05/bikini-graph-the-sequel/

How can you defend the conservative rights "morality" when U.S. history tells us that SCOTUS has and will always protect us from mob rule and some misguided moral majority in some states (e.g. segregation)? If you doubt that then ask yourself why a protestant christian has not been put on the supreme court since Justice Stevens. All of them since Stevens are either Catholic or Jewish including all Reagan and both Bush president appointees because of Roe v Wade and other social issues.

The demographics of the tea party and largely the main base of the conservative right are white older males with money and/or their spouses. Those people will die off in the next 20-30 years and the actual majority in this country that elected President Obama will be a much larger majority than the 55-60% now. Conservatism is slowly but surely dying out and we're already seeing the republican party fracturing as evidence by Bachmann and Mike Pence's power play with this tea party caucus. That's also supported by senators like Lindsey Graham who have spoken out against the tea party as a passing fad since the real GOP will not sit idly by and give up power to the lunatic fringe of the right wing. The tea party is no different than the states rights democratic party or dixiecrats attempt at taking power in 1948. Except we're likely to see more migration of moderate republicans to the democratic party because they may not be able to get elected as a republican. Some have even stated that Reagan wouldn't be able to get elected in todays republican party because he wasn't todays idea of a conservative, he was a Goldwater conservative at least until he let the religious right in the front door of the white house. That's something even an evangelical christian like President Carter would not do out of respect for the constitutions separation of church and state. It's also interesting that in 2010 we see Fox News and right wing talk radios consistent attempts to use the 1960's style southern strategy of attacking African Americans 24/7 to scare white independents in the south into voting republican. That only shows their desperation in fighting a loosing battle to keep the south. Georgia and North Carolina are already projected to become solid blue states by 2016 due to population growth in the large cities akin to what you see in a state like Illinois where in national elections a city like Chicago just out numbers the rural red of the state.

So, it's just a matter of time until we're past all this nonsense and the likes of Palin, Bachmann, Hannity, Limbaugh are viewed as we now historically view Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms.

You're on the wrong side of history and you can choose to be on the "right" side of history. Or you can choose to remain ignorant and take your last breath one day in the U.S.A. where we have Medicare for all and Gay Marriage and all people are actually created equal in the eyes of the law not just "all men" (all white men) as stated in the declaration of independence.

YOU CHOOSE!


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July 24, 2010 12:59 PM    in reply to psb1

Like most progressives you are only presenting the piece of the pie that supports your dogma and not the whole pie.

Why did your link leave out Obama's spending, maybe because the red bar would be off the chart?

As for your other link...

[T]he GOP should be pleased to note that, of the 290,000 jobs created in April, 231,000 of them were in the private sector. The private sector has actually added 523,000 new jobs in 2010.

This statement is also misleading because the number of private sector jobs created averaging $40,000 a year using a Standard Tax Rate of 15% or $2,700 income tax just to support one average $60,000 a year government job is 22.

Using the above numbers from your link the private sector had to create over 1,298,000 jobs just to pay for the 59,000 government jobs created by Obama just during the month of April.

Your progressive math just doesn't add up and Obama's fuzzy math is a lie!

How many private sector jobs averaging $40,000 a year are now being produced by Obama's Stimulus Plan?

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July 24, 2010 3:40 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

This is just too easy. You are so stupid, yet you keep shooting off your mouth.

The government jobs in April were census workers. They are not making $60k a year. They are the people who went house to house to fill in the gaps in census date. (Gaps that, as it happens, were encourage by Michelle Bachmann. So the loon from Minnesota help contribute to the cost of the census.)

But you, in your typical mendacity, are pretending that the hiring of temporary census workers is indicative of some "socialist" trend of major government hiring by Obama.

Please note: I am not arguing with you, as that is futile. I am applying further scorn and ridicule to a stupid lying shit stain.

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July 24, 2010 3:40 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

You can continue to con yourself and move the gold post every time anyone calls conservatives out on their LIES and IGNORANCE but truth fits and will not be undone by you or anyone who thinks as you do. Democrats are not going to sit back and hand over control of congress or the white house to republicans after what they've done to this country with out a fight. If you doubt that you need to remember voter turnout two years ago. And yes we will be turning out in November. Republicans may win the house by a small majority but they will not take over the senate nor will they be able to repeal anything. President Obama will veto any nonsense republicans try and if you doubt that all you need to do is look back to how President Clinton handled Gingrich's irresponsible shutting down the government, reckless behavior and witch hunts in the late 90's.

On President G.W. Bush's watch:

-Trillion dollar unfunded tax cuts passed 3 times by reconciliation.
-More than doubling the national debt
-Bailout of General Motors
-Bailout of Chrysler
-Bailout of Wallstreet
-Crash of the housing market (leading to 50% of the job losses)
-Over 1 TRILLION cost of Iraq/Afgan wars

Conservative propaganda has managed to con many Americans into thinking that President Obama is responsible for the Bush era's massive spending, bailouts and debt increases when all President Obama did was pass a stimulus that was a stop gap measure to prevent the economy from spiraling out of control.

And poor conservatives so angry because the government finally started holding a corrupt oligopoly of a health insurance industry to anti trust regulations and stopping free loaders from not carrying health insurance. You think that is unconstitutional? What's next are you going to sue the federal government so states don't have to require motorist to carry auto liability insurance? No one thinks the health care bill was perfect but it was a good start and it is paid for over its lifetime unlike those trillion dollar Bush tax cuts/credits for the wealthy.

TO YOU SANCTIMONIOUS CONSERVATIVES:

-You're not more American than us.
-You're not more patriotic than us.
-You're not more moral than us and for that matter your morality should never be forced on any of us. (speaking of unconstitutional).
-You don't believe in freedom more than us.
-You do not love your country more than any of us.
-You do not support the troops more than us.

SO CONSERVATIVES STOP BEING SO CONDESCENDING.

Unlike many of you, we progressives see you as American citizens who simply disagree but some of your ideology is dangerous and serves only to divide our nation.

YOU CONSERVATIVES WANT TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.

We Americans want to take our country forward for all its citizens. We're just waiting for you to catch up with history. And if your ideology gets in the way of you moving forward with the rest of us you'll just have to learn to live with CHANGE!


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July 24, 2010 4:27 PM    in reply to psb1

You sir are a true seditious progressive zealot hell bent for leather to undermine our Constituton and republican form of government at all costs, your above post is no more that 'Progressive Conjecture' to fill the empty heads of your indoctrinated minions.

Democrats are not going to sit back and hand over control of congress or the white house to republicans after what they've done to this country with out a fight.

More like cheating thru felons and non-citizens voting, like the ones that got Al Franken elected. If a Republican Senator was found out to be elected by fraud, that Republican would be asked to step down, not democrats they are expected to cheat, lie and steal their way into elected office.


The only way Democrats can win close elections is by States refusal to validate citizenship when people register to vote and vote by absentee ballot. Democrats have mastered the art of legalized voter fraud by this 'refusal', Democrats will go down hard if there were only U.S. citizens voting in our elections.

Of course you will not acknowledge this truth because of your marching orders from media matters and other progressive leaders.

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July 24, 2010 4:42 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

More lies:

More like cheating thru felons and non-citizens voting, like the ones that got Al Franken elected.

This has been thoroughly debunked. For several different reasons. But stupid pathetic lying shit stains will continue bring it up, since they have nothing of substance to talk about.

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July 25, 2010 8:53 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

You know, when you are incapable of understanding the evidence against your beliefs, that is a sign of mental deficiency. You really need help, and I don't think Jeebus is going to help you, nor is Rush Limbaugh, the Tea Baggers, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, or Glenn Beck. You need psychiatric care.

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July 25, 2010 8:58 PM    in reply to Commie Dearest

You know, when you are incapable of understanding the evidence against your beliefs, that is a sign of mental deficiency.

What are talking about, there is no such evidence. Produce it or go away!

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July 25, 2010 9:16 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Still here. The evidence has been produced here time and time again, and you ignore it and spew your cockeyed talking points. Hence, the mental illness allegation. But, whatever, dude, keep your crazy on.

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July 25, 2010 9:21 PM    in reply to Commie Dearest

Do you want to keeping talking trash, or will you copy and paste your evidence for us to discussion in a civil manner, choose one!


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July 25, 2010 11:01 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Why would anyone want a civil conversation with a shit stain like you?

You lie. You ignore any posts that contradict your false narrative. You never provide any context or links for the lies you spread.

What makes you think that you can come hear, make false accusations against the majority of people here, make false accusations against the very nature of this web site, and be treated with anything besides the scorn you deserve?

Really, that is one of the definitions of mental illness. The tendency to continue to employ behaviors that have negative consequences, in the hope that somehow they will suddenly begin working for no reason.

Stupid lying shit stain.

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July 25, 2010 9:24 PM    in reply to Commie Dearest

Don't tell me you don't know how to copy and paste, are you that lame?

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July 24, 2010 5:16 PM    in reply to psb1

TO YOU SANCTIMONIOUS CONSERVATIVES:

-You're not more American than us.
Yes we are...deal with it or change you ideology to be more inline with the constitution.

-You're not more patriotic than us.
Yes we are...we love, support and defend our country. How can progressives love something that they're ashamed of?

-You're not more moral than us and for that matter your morality should never be forced on any of us. (speaking of unconstitutional).
Yes we are...faith in God makes us more moral, but I don't want to force my morality on anybody.

-You don't believe in freedom more than us.
Yes we do...believing in free speech, free markets, individual liberty, equal justice not social justice and the constitution makes us so.

-You do not love your country more than any of us.
Yes we do...like I said before you can't possible love something that you're ashamed of and make no mistake progressives are ashamed of America.

-You do not support the troops more than us.
Of course we do, most of our people are the troops!

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July 24, 2010 6:06 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Again, you demonstrate your stupidity. Eight years of Bush's "compassionate conservatism" did more harm to the principle of the Constitution than all the rest of the Presidents in American history. Yet you lying conservatives dare to claim that returning to the Bush years will somehow restore the country to Constitutional principles. This would be hilarious if it weren't so damaging to the nation and to the world.

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July 25, 2010 12:21 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Yes we are...deal with it or change you ideology to be more inline with the constitution.

Proof that you are not only truly ignorant, but arrogantly so.

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July 25, 2010 12:30 PM    in reply to Lestatdelc

"ignorant", rarely..."arrogantly", most of the time!

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July 25, 2010 1:08 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

He is too stupid to realize his ignorance. He lacks the capacity to realize the true nature of the nonsense that he spews.

Bang bang bang, the spoon on the pot. He thinks it is beautiful music.

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July 24, 2010 7:46 PM    in reply to psb1

You sir are a true seditious progressive zealot hell bent for leather to undermine our Constituton and republican form of government at all costs, your above post is no more that 'Progressive Conjecture' to fill the empty heads of your indoctrinated minions.

Democrats are not going to sit back and hand over control of congress or the white house to republicans after what they've done to this country with out a fight.

More like cheating thru felons and non-citizens voting, like the ones that got Al Franken elected. If a Republican Senator was found out to be elected by fraud, that Republican would be asked to step down, not democrats they are expected to cheat, lie and steal their way into elected office.


The only way Democrats can win close elections is by States refusal to validate citizenship when people register to vote and vote by absentee ballot. Democrats have mastered the art of legalized voter fraud by this 'refusal', Democrats will go down hard if there were only U.S. citizens voting in our elections.

Of course you will not acknowledge this truth because of your marching orders from media matters and other progressive leaders.

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July 25, 2010 8:38 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

No one will acknowledge the truth of a totally made lie. Especially a lie you tell, since you have proven yourself to be completely unconnected to reality.

Liar.

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July 24, 2010 6:26 PM    in reply to psb1

GREAT!!!
I sent your response to a teabagger who sends me anti-Obama posts. I think I gave you credit, but not sure... :-)

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July 24, 2010 1:17 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Ironic that St Francis whose image you've manipulated succeeded in greatly improving Catholicism. Maybe like St Paul you're reluctantly edging towards conversion?

Join us! Obama is the One True Way!

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July 24, 2010 1:26 PM    in reply to wial

Ha..Ha..Ho..Ho...you made me laugh so hard that I had to go!

My avatar is NOT St Francis, looking again and this time very closely...and try again!

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July 24, 2010 3:10 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

There is just no end to your stupidity, and to you lack of comprehension.

It is an image of St. Francis that has been manipulated, you stupid shit stain. It has been manipulated to look like your favorite bogeyman, the man you love to lie about. But it started as the iconic image of St. Francis.

You can't help it. You just look stupider and stupider and stupider.

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July 24, 2010 3:14 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Same old augment of false choices DugFmJamul has been pawning off here @ TPM on almost every comment. Don't fall for the argument or sink into the muck of its mish-mash of paleoconservative and neoconservative screed.

DugFmJamul received a pocket Constitution and its diploma from Beck U last week and it's ready to do some damage.

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July 24, 2010 9:04 AM   

I recall I was actually embarrassed for the Repub Party the first time I saw Bachmann on the television box. This was pre-Palin and pre-Tea Party, and I assumed she was chosen to appear as a means of mocking the Crazy wing of the GOP. It's simply amazing how "mainstream" she has become in such a short time. And it's especially amazing that a whole new Crazy Wing has been defined that includes Tancredo and King and the SC Repub delegation..., all of whom make Bachmann appear to be a moderate Republican.

The fact that these asshats haven't been marginalized into oblivion where they belong says a whole lot about the anemic leadership we have on the left. These whackos define the message, and the Dems react - or not! Sheesh!

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July 24, 2010 9:14 AM    in reply to SleepinJeezus

I believe that it says less about the Left than it says about the current leadership on the Right-the Republican party. Not that long ago, these right-wing loons would be tolerated, perhaps, by the GOP but never given leading roles in that party. It's as if the Democrats had been taken over by the far Left wing of their party. (And no, they haven't.) The GOP is firmly in the grip of the far right now. For how long is anyone's guess. The fact that they are one of only two major political parties in this country means that the media treat them as if they were still competing on the same field as the other party. They're not... the GOP's Field of Dreams would now lead to a nightmare for America.

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July 24, 2010 12:27 PM    in reply to CityGuy

It's in the grip of insane billionaires...
The world has always been in the grip of these people.

That is why there is war after ware after war...

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July 25, 2010 8:56 PM    in reply to Moloko+

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July 24, 2010 1:31 PM    in reply to CityGuy

It says a lot about the damage done to the education system by Ronald Reagan and his neoliberal legacy. If most can no longer afford college, and the public schools are dysfunctional, you can't expect the population to understand history or science. They are reverting to barbarism. Bachman is merely a symptom.

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July 24, 2010 9:43 AM   

Has anyone noticed that the closer we get to election day, the more insane the GOP gets? I mean, more than usual, of course. Is it stress?

More insanity:

http://bit.ly/bCsBxg

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July 24, 2010 10:05 AM   

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=37e41c98-7f52-4350-82b9-35876368de8b

"Bachmann and DFL State Senator Tarryl Clark are tied among voters age 50+. But when voters of all ages are combined, including the youngest voters, Bachmann leads 48% to 39%. There is a striking 33-point Gender Gap. Bachmann, a woman, leads by 25 points among male likely voters. Clark, a woman, leads by 8 points among female likely voters. Of those who support the Tea Party movement, 86% back Bachmann. Of those who oppose the Tea Party movement, 82% back Clark."

Guys, Taryll Clarke is very nice looking. She also is not insane. Get your brains out of your pants for 5 minutes and think. Do you really enjoy being represented by a moron? Then go with Bachmann, otherwise go for the pretty non-moron.

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July 24, 2010 11:33 AM    in reply to Squire T

But when voters of all ages are combined, including the youngest voters, Bachmann leads 48% to 39%.

This is so depressing. As the education system in this country continues to erode, progressives lose more and more of the younger vote. It's a bleak view of what we have to look forward to.

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July 24, 2010 12:54 PM    in reply to Quitty

I'm not sure progressives are "losing the young vote." They never really had it to begin with because young people never vote in large numbers. They may talk a good game about candidates. But when it comes time to find out where to register to vote, register, find out where their polling station is, go to that polling station, wait in line and - most importantly - ACTUALLY CAST THE BALLOT, they don't. They have that friend they want to meet or that TV show they want to watch or, if they're in grad school, that paper to complete or exam to study for.

In 2008, even with all of the efforts the Obama campaign made to reach young adults, turnout among voters aged 18-29 was barely 50%, compared to a national turnout of 63%. Voters aged 18-29 made up only 18% of the electorate that year.

This isn't like the 1960s when people of that age had a lot more riding personally on the political process. Back then, people tended to marry and start families younger, and they had to worry about being drafted for the Vietnam War. Nowadays, people are marrying and starting families later in life, there is no military draft and young adults have less reason to pay attention to the political process.

The simple reality is that the vast majority of the electorate is older adults.

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July 24, 2010 2:18 PM    in reply to jdb316

I don't disagree with any of your arguments, but none of this explains why the polling moves substantially in Bachmann's favor when the youngest voters are included.

Whether or not they actually cast a ballot isn't really the point. The sad fact is that young voters (at least in Ms. Bachmann's district) appear to prefer repealing everything than to fighting for the progressive ideals which were once associated with youth.

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July 24, 2010 9:10 PM    in reply to Quitty

If it's such a conservative district, the children there may be home schooled or otherwise educated in an environment very different from most of their peers. That may explain it.

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July 24, 2010 11:18 PM    in reply to jdb316

See there. We're 100% in agreement. Like I said before, it comes down to the quality of their education (or lack thereof).

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July 24, 2010 3:09 PM    in reply to Quitty

18-50 is a big swath. A lot depneds on the likely voter screen, but from what I've heard about this district and general demographics, the 30-50 group is probably the largest and has the biggest impact on those numbers. That's also the likeliest group, depending on socio-economic factors, to be Fox watching, middle class white people scared of "that man" being in the WH and hence swing the numbers in her favor.

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July 24, 2010 4:27 PM    in reply to calbearinillinois

Yes, you're right. It would be nice to see an 18-25 or even an 18-30 cut. Hopefully the numbers wouldn't look quite as pitiful in that demographic.

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July 24, 2010 7:29 PM    in reply to Quitty

You can click on the link I gave and have a look at the 18 - 34 breakdown. Sadly, its a rather depressing 54% to 27%.

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July 24, 2010 9:47 PM    in reply to Squire T

Thanks -- I guess -- I'm still depressed. Only the 50-64 group breaks Tarryl Clark's way. So I stand by my first post ... a bleak view of what we have to look forward to.

Obviously this district isn't representative of other districts, but nevertheless this woman is a total idiot. I can't believe that anyone with half an education would vote for her. I think republicans owe much of their electoral success to the demise of our public school systems nationwide.

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July 24, 2010 11:00 PM    in reply to Quitty

I would not be that depressed. First the 50 to 64 group is traditionally the most conservative, and they are breaking Clarkes way. That means what should be Bachmanns core constituency has already deserted her. Which is interesting.

Second she can run around fox and chase Speaking engagements all she wants, but sooner or later she has to say what she has done for her constituency in a debate. Clarke can do that (state congress) but Bachmann has been running around so much like a maniac blaming everyone else for problems, she has conversely neglected her real base and is unused to offering solutions. The Teabaggers are only 18% of the electorate, she cant rely on them.

I mean seriously, whats Bachmann's platform? Clarke is a socialist that wants to X, Y and Z? Sooner or later people are going to ask what does she want to do, to offer solutions to people problems, and "Repeal Obamacare" and "IMPEACH!!!" won't cut it. You cant go out with a platform of effectively "Do nothing" If I was Clarke, I'd be gearing up to attack her right on that weakpoint.

It will be hard, but its doable.

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July 24, 2010 11:14 PM    in reply to Squire T

Thanks, Squire T. You must be home on the range or something ... where seldom is heard a discouraging word ... and not in the bluest of blue country like me (San Francisco). Sometimes I think I must be on a whole different planet. I do find polls like this depressing (not to mention confounding), but I'll try to stay upbeat!

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July 24, 2010 11:44 PM    in reply to Quitty

Just look at data with honesty, and you can always find glass half full scenarios :)

I'm just another internet nerd that likes to examine data sometimes, no-one special. Good luck in San Francisco. :)

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July 24, 2010 10:06 AM   

Keep this stuff coming Michelle...more commercial fodder as we get closer to the end zone.

Repeal health care..really

Take away insurance for kids and all the rest of the things that are finally getting the polls moving in favor of HCR.

These idiots are clueless

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July 24, 2010 10:24 AM   

It looks like TPM needs to buy a couple of big cans of Troll-Be-Gone AND Spam-Be-Gone.

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July 24, 2010 12:04 PM    in reply to Peter Principle

Not found of the 'Free Market of Ideas' are you?

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July 24, 2010 12:48 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Are you still here, you lying asshole?

News for you, liar. No one here believes you. You are just making yourself look like the lying idiot you are. Congratulations!

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July 24, 2010 12:53 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Not when you bring the intellectual equivalent of Confederate money to the market.

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July 24, 2010 1:07 PM    in reply to cwnidog

Oh really,

PROVE IT!

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July 24, 2010 3:14 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Again, it is impossible to prove anything to a stupid liar.

There are only three possibilities:
You will not understand.
You will be willfully ignorant.
You will understand, but will just lie.

So, no point in trying to prove anything to you.

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July 24, 2010 3:30 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Looking through your comments in this thread, all I see is assertions and opinions, no facts. In short, your words are like Confederate money, there's absolutely nothing of value backing them up, QED.

Thanks for playing, what do we have for our guest Johnny?

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July 24, 2010 4:37 PM    in reply to cwnidog

"Looking through your comments in this thread, all I see is assertions and opinions, no facts.", that's because you are under the influence of liberalism and liberalism is a mental disorder.

You have proved that without a doubt.

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July 24, 2010 4:45 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Nice try, liar.

Actually, not a nice try. Not even a lame try. Just a stupid shit stain liar try.

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July 24, 2010 10:42 AM   

Without the credulous MSM and, of course, the Ku FOX Klan this crazy stuff would never have gained a toe-hold...

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July 24, 2010 10:58 AM   

The sleeping giant has been awakened by the endless croaks of the lying harpies of the extreme right. Now that he's awake, it turns out he's that big violent idiot from the Bugs Bunny "Jack and the Beanstalk" cartoon.

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July 24, 2010 11:00 AM   

The Middle Class in America Is Radically Shrinking. Here Are the Stats to Prove it
Posted Jul 15, 2010 02:25pm EDT by Michael Snyder in Recession
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Editor's note: Michael Snyder is editor of theeconomiccollapseblog.com

The 22 statistics detailed here prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence in America.

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer at a staggering rate. Once upon a time, the United States had the largest and most prosperous middle class in the history of the world, but now that is changing at a blinding pace.

So why are we witnessing such fundamental changes? Well, the globalism and "free trade" that our politicians and business leaders insisted would be so good for us have had some rather nasty side effects. It turns out that they didn't tell us that the "global economy" would mean that middle class American workers would eventually have to directly compete for jobs with people on the other side of the world where there is no minimum wage and very few regulations. The big global corporations have greatly benefited by exploiting third world labor pools over the last several decades, but middle class American workers have increasingly found things to be very tough.

Here are the statistics to prove it:

• 83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people.
• 61 percent of Americans "always or usually" live paycheck to paycheck, which was up from 49 percent in 2008 and 43 percent in 2007.
• 66 percent of the income growth between 2001 and 2007 went to the top 1% of all Americans.
• 36 percent of Americans say that they don't contribute anything to retirement savings.
• A staggering 43 percent of Americans have less than $10,000 saved up for retirement.
• 24 percent of American workers say that they have postponed their planned retirement age in the past year.
• Over 1.4 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009, which represented a 32 percent increase over 2008.
• Only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975.
• For the first time in U.S. history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together.
• In 1950, the ratio of the average executive's paycheck to the average worker's paycheck was about 30 to 1. Since the year 2000, that ratio has exploded to between 300 to 500 to one.
• As of 2007, the bottom 80 percent of American households held about 7% of the liquid financial assets.
• The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth.
• Average Wall Street bonuses for 2009 were up 17 percent when compared with 2008.
• In the United States, the average federal worker now earns 60% MORE than the average worker in the private sector.
• The top 1 percent of U.S. households own nearly twice as much of America's corporate wealth as they did just 15 years ago.
• In America today, the average time needed to find a job has risen to a record 35.2 weeks.
• More than 40 percent of Americans who actually are employed are now working in service jobs, which are often very low paying.
• or the first time in U.S. history, more than 40 million Americans are on food stamps, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture projects that number will go up to 43 million Americans in 2011.
• This is what American workers now must compete against: in China a garment worker makes approximately 86 cents an hour and in Cambodia a garment worker makes approximately 22 cents an hour.
• Approximately 21 percent of all children in the United States are living below the poverty line in 2010 - the highest rate in 20 years.
• Despite the financial crisis, the number of millionaires in the United States rose a whopping 16 percent to 7.8 million in 2009.
• The top 10 percent of Americans now earn around 50 percent of our national income.

Giant Sucking Sound

The reality is that no matter how smart, how strong, how educated or how hard working American workers are, they just cannot compete with people who are desperate to put in 10 to 12 hour days at less than a dollar an hour on the other side of the world. After all, what corporation in their right mind is going to pay an American worker 10 times more (plus benefits) to do the same job? The world is fundamentally changing. Wealth and power are rapidly becoming concentrated at the top and the big global corporations are making massive amounts of money. Meanwhile, the American middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence as U.S. workers are slowly being merged into the new "global" labor pool.

What do most Americans have to offer in the marketplace other than their labor? Not much. The truth is that most Americans are absolutely dependent on someone else giving them a job. But today, U.S. workers are "less attractive" than ever. Compared to the rest of the world, American workers are extremely expensive, and the government keeps passing more rules and regulations seemingly on a monthly basis that makes it even more difficult to conduct business in the United States.

So corporations are moving operations out of the U.S. at breathtaking speed. Since the U.S. government does not penalize them for doing so, there really is no incentive for them to stay.

What has developed is a situation where the people at the top are doing quite well, while most Americans are finding it increasingly difficult to make it. There are now about six unemployed Americans for every new job opening in the United States, and the number of "chronically unemployed" is absolutely soaring. There simply are not nearly enough jobs for everyone.

Many of those who are able to get jobs are finding that they are making less money than they used to. In fact, an increasingly large percentage of Americans are working at low wage retail and service jobs.

But you can't raise a family on what you make flipping burgers at McDonald's or on what you bring in from greeting customers down at the local Wal-Mart.

The truth is that the middle class in America is dying -- and once it is gone it will be incredibly difficult to rebuild.

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July 24, 2010 12:24 PM    in reply to SCOOP210

There are easy answers to concerns....do you want to hear them?

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July 24, 2010 12:52 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

They would have to be "easy" if you think you understand them. Of course, you didn't post them. Since you are a stupid lying shit stain.

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July 24, 2010 11:36 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong. The last two words describe conservatives to a tee and their "answers",I'll bet you're an expert at that sort of solution.Most conservatives , especially the loudmouth type, usually are.

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July 25, 2010 12:36 PM    in reply to donquijoterocket

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.--The Great Communicator

The problem with progressives is that they can't accept easy solutions to complex issues otherwise they would have to trust the American People to govern themselves.

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July 25, 2010 1:17 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Ronald Reagan did more damage to the United States than any other president in the second half of the 20th century. He lost his mind to dementia during his presidency.

Keep on quoting him. Every time you use his name you push yourself further into stupidity.

Ronald Reagan really fucked this country up. We still haven't undone all the damage he did. Fuck him, and fuck anyone stupid enough to use his name.

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July 25, 2010 1:59 PM    in reply to donquijoterocket

"Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

"Facts are stupid things." -at the 1988 Republican National Convention, attempting to quote John Adams, who said, "Facts are stubborn things"

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles."

"I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience." -during a 1984 presidential debate with Walter Mondale

"The state of California has no business subsidizing intellectual curiosity." -responding to student protests on college campuses during his tenure as California governor

"Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his."

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."

"How can a president not be an actor?" -when asked "How could an actor become president?'

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July 24, 2010 11:15 AM   

Did you know that the Bachmann's have taken in over 23 foster children?

Some people talk the talk. Others, walk the walk.

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July 24, 2010 11:25 AM    in reply to Silence

She should have left them on the streets where they would learn to thrive and not spoiled them with outside help. Shes a fucking leftist and a hypocrite. A shining example of whats wrong with this country.

/snark

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July 24, 2010 11:29 AM    in reply to Silence

Kindness and tolerance towards opposing points of view is something progressives leave at home before they drive off to their daily indoctrination sites...government jobs, public schools or community organizing meeting where they discuss how to rip the constitution apart!

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July 24, 2010 11:39 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Really? Any community organization meeting I've ever been at had people talking about how to help people with their problems. Oh, your now saying helping people is against the constitution. Gotcha. Its as accurate as every other thing you've said about the constitution, I suppose.

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July 24, 2010 12:01 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

It was just pointed out that her platform is largely based on repealing everything the opposition has done. What opposing point of view is she showing tolerance for?

The Founding Fathers were the original community organizers. Why the hate?

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July 24, 2010 12:07 PM    in reply to Snig

"What opposing point of view is she showing tolerance for?", Obama's socialist designs on America is incompatible with our 'republican form of government' and should never be tolerated much less adopted.

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July 24, 2010 12:37 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

You can thank "socialists" every time you get paid overtime for working more than eight hours a day or forty hours a week.

"Socialists" made sure that if you get hurt at work, you'll get compensated.

"Socialists" made sure your food and drugs aren't made with insect parts and snake oil.

"Socialists" made sure children go to school instead of to a factory every morning.

Thanks to "socialists," it's no longer acceptable to lynch people you don't like.

"Socialists" forced car makers to design cars that don't explode or fly apart on impact.

"Socialists" forced the federal government to ensure every US citizen has the right to vote.

I could go on, and on, and on.

You may regard all of these accomplishments as evil. I regard these kinds of changes as the things that have made the United States the strongest country in the world, and a better place to live than China -- or most places in the world.

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July 24, 2010 1:03 PM    in reply to Lizskin

I would like to believe you...NOT, but do you have some links to back up your claims?

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July 24, 2010 3:05 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

The very fact that these socialist conditions exist (through both Republican and Democrat legislative actions) in some form or another should be prof enough...unless of course you're in denial of reality.

A better approach would be to pick off or dispute Liskin's list of socialist and progressive legislative victories.

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July 24, 2010 5:19 PM    in reply to Christopher

Don't you think it's just a little unfair that I'm suppose to provide links to all of my data while you give your fellow progressives a pass?

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July 24, 2010 6:15 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

It's because everything you say is a lie, with no data to back it up. So yes, it is totally fair to call you out on your lies, and ask where the (nonexistent) facts are to back them up.

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July 24, 2010 6:18 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Coffin v. United States, 156 U.S. 432 (1895)

"The principle that there is a presumption of innocence in favor of the accused is the undoubted law, axiomatic and elementary, and its enforcement lies at the foundation of the administration of our criminal law. … Concluding, then, that the presumption of innocence is evidence in favor of the accused, introduced by the law in his behalf, let us consider what is 'reasonable doubt.' It is, of necessity, the condition of mind produced by the proof resulting from the evidence in the cause. It is the result of the proof, not the proof itself, whereas the presumption of innocence is one of the instruments of proof, going to bring about the proof from which reasonable doubt arises; thus one is a cause, the other an effect."

I know you think its unfair that the ACCUSER is obligated to provide proof of his accusations, rather than your ideal world where you could just accuse someone of something and the ACCUSED has to provide proof of his innocence, but in the real world that's a fact, even in Russia. You can blather anything you like, but unless you provide proof the accused can quite legitimately tell you to fuck off. Its only when you provide links and proof that the accused has any obligation to actively defend himself against that proof.

So go and do some work, you whiner.

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July 24, 2010 7:40 PM    in reply to Lizskin

I would like to believe you...NOT, but do you have some links to back up your claims?

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July 24, 2010 12:45 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

So tolerance for others' points of view is something you left at home as well.

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July 25, 2010 2:09 PM    in reply to Snig

Sorry I have no tolerance for sedition against our 'republican form of government and progressivism is equal to sedition.

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July 25, 2010 11:06 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

You don't know the definition for "sedition," or what "a republican form of government" is.

STUPID fucking liar.

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July 24, 2010 12:58 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

You have no idea what either 'socialist' or 'republican' means, shit stain. Find some right wing website where you nonsense will be swallowed by other stupid liars.

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July 24, 2010 2:09 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

What was the founding fathers definition of 'Republic'?

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July 25, 2010 3:51 PM    in reply to Squire T

Our Constitution.

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July 25, 2010 7:56 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Oh really? Where? What paragraphs? Give me some quotes showing where in the constitution the definition of a republic is?

In fact, the only mention of republic in the constitution is Article 4 section 4

"Section 4 - Republican government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

Which comes after all the functions of the federal government is defined. It gives NO definition of what a Republican form of government is. And, if you read it, it just says ii guarantees every STATE having a republican form of government. It's in the Section regarding the states. In fact, it doesn't say anything about the Federal Government OR the United States being a Republic at all.

So, Genius, what is the founding fathers definition of a Republic?

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July 25, 2010 8:24 PM    in reply to Squire T

Who are you?

Do I know you?

Where you someone else now pretending to be another user?

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July 25, 2010 8:54 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

You won't reply to me directly. You claim it is because I am not "nice." But that is a convenient excuse for a liar who is outmatched by the truth. You are so pathetic.

And you have no clear understanding of the meaning of the word "sedition," moron. You do have a mistaken understanding, and a non sequitur quote, but nothing that would fool a thinking person.

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July 25, 2010 9:40 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Just a largely conservative man that actually knows how to do research and has some training in logic. Your constant distortion of the truth offends me and my largely scholastic conservative mindset. If you want to win an argument, come up with real data, not made up claptrap. Two people can have different opinions on real data. If you lie or use bogus data, you admit your entire argument is false. I have no other accounts.

The sad thing is that you have some potential to be a decent thinker, but you have hitched your wagon to some kind of anti-otherside claptrap that means you are drowning in distortions and can't see the truth of anything OR cannot interpret data correctly. Your prejudices ALWAYS get in the way and make you hold up data that's deeply flawed, making you look completely foolish. The Pope had a deeply respectful debate with a noted agnostic thinker in 2006 (ant remember the name sorry) where they both spoke of the other sides contributions to the human experience and development.

Granted the internet makes that more difficult as people are addicted to the adrenaline rush of "being right" over the "other side'. It becomes more about winning than actually advancing the country.

Now. seriously, stop throwing around words you have know idea what you mean. Go and find out what they actually mean before you use them.

And stop desecrating a holy picture or icon with your avatar. You cannot do that and claim some moral high point. Even with your avatar you are showing your sneering at things and people that are revered. How can you do that and claim you are somehow on the moral high ground here?

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July 25, 2010 9:49 PM    in reply to Squire T

Since you did not some answer some of my questions, I will try again..


Who are you?

Do I know you?

Where you someone else now pretending to be another user?

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July 25, 2010 10:10 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Who are you? - What difference does that make? My name would mean nothing to you, and I hold no political or media position.

Do I know you? - No

Where you someone else now pretending to be another user? - I said I have no other accounts :) I had another for a while but it got screwed up and its dead. You trying to get me banned now :) Go ahead.

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July 25, 2010 10:23 PM    in reply to Squire T

"You trying to get me banned", why do you asked?

Have you been banned before? Where, here how many times?

But no I not trying to get you banned, but that Farnsworth user has crossed the line too many times and should be banned for his continued harassment of me and other users.

Were you ever have a user name called, Sir T?

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July 25, 2010 10:26 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

correction: Were you ever have a user name called, Sir T?
should be: Did you ever have a user name called, Sir T?

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July 25, 2010 11:16 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

I only abuse proven liars. Are you admitting to be a liar?

Here, let's do it some more: You are a morally bankrupt liar, who is also quite stupid. You have swallowed the lies of the powerful, and are stupidly spreading them around.

You are clearly a liar. No one at this site has any respect for your bullshit opinions, or anything you post or claim to believe in. You offer no evidence for your wild claims. You deride any actual evidence that proves your nonsense is false. Either that, or you ignore it, since you cannot possibly refute the facts that show you to be entirely false.

I know you are too scared to answer me back. But use what little cognizance you have, and ponder this: Every post you make proves you to be even more of a mendacious fool. You have exactly zero supporters here. So why do you continue to make a fool of yourself by posting further nonsense?

If you actually had any ability to think critically, you would give this up as a bad job and go elsewhere.

Stupid liar.

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July 25, 2010 10:04 PM    in reply to Squire T

“Just a largely conservative man that actually knows how to do research and has some training in logic.

Why should I take you seriously when you don't even answer my simple questions with honesty but instead you answer with emotional deception?

Strange you don't sound like a man, your research is debatable but does your logic tell you to avoid my simple questions and to misrepresent what I have said?

Does your logic tell you to follow my around on TPM like some sick cyber-stalker challenging everything I post? Is that the behavior of a logical conservative man?

You seem to be acting just like Sir T, I user I promised not to reply to for 3 months as punishment for his/her misbehavior, were you Sir T?


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July 25, 2010 10:29 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"Does your logic tell you to follow my around on TPM like some sick cyber-stalker challenging everything I post? Is that the behavior of a logical conservative man?"

Its not my fault you post everywhere with stuff that can be easily proven wrong with 5 minutes of research while I'm listening to music

"Strange you don't sound like a man, your research is debatable..."

You haven't been able to debate or refute one word of it thus far. All bark and no bite.

"You seem to be acting just like Sir T, I user I promised not to reply to for 3 months as punishment for his/her misbehavior..."

Let me guess, you could never stop replying to him either?

"Why should I take you seriously when you don't even answer my simple questions with honesty..."

What was the founding fathers definition of 'republic'? With quotes please.

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July 25, 2010 11:19 PM    in reply to Squire T

Its not my fault you post everywhere with stuff that can be easily proven wrong with 5 minutes of research while I'm listening to music

You haven't dis-proven anything I posted--ever, the only thing you proven was some of my links didn't work. You have been seriously in error on most of your posts that made any sense, the rest were just nonsense and I didn't want to waste my time answering your false assertions, it would ridiculous and a waste of time to validate your rude behavior with any acknowledgment from me.

You haven't been able to debate or refute one word of it thus far. All bark and no bite.

Are you under medication(s), I have been ignoring you until now, what's wrong with you?

Let me guess, you could never stop replying to him either?

No, I have kept my promise...unless you are lying to me and you are indeed Sir T.



What was the founding fathers definition of 'republic'? With quotes please.

All this time following me around at TPM and you don't know that I have already answered that question in detail concerning the Federalist Papers and our unique Republic.

Look up Federalist 39 - 43 and you have you answer, because I'm not going to repeat myself to you because of your cyber-stalking of me and other rude behaviors.

If you want to me to answer your question you must answer for all of your wrong doings here at TPM, and not just against me but for all the users you have abused or I will not reply to you further "Squire T".

Just say, "I'm sorry TPM users for my rude and uncivil behavior, I will be nicer in the future to all users regardless of political view point".

Then we can start all over like nothing happen or you can follow me around until the day I die knowing I will never reply to you again. Remember when you are cyber-stalking me you are ruining the creditability of the thread and disrespecting TPM and all of it's users, it's a selfish thing to do.

Choose and choose wisely...

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July 26, 2010 12:02 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"You haven't dis-proven anything I posted--ever, the only thing you proven was some of my links didn't work. You have been seriously in error on most of your posts that made any sense, the rest were just nonsense and I didn't want to waste my time answering your false assertions, it would ridiculous and a waste of time to validate your rude behavior with any acknowledgment from me."

Bull. I've been supplying links and quotes that directly contradict you. And I've seen you insult and slander everyone in sight that agreed with you. And you have been desecrating a picture of a saint in your avatar. Like every bully you are good at dishing it out but you whimper and cry and complain when someone does it back at you and better. See Braitbart.

Besides, aside from calling you an idiot where have I been rude? Links please :D

"Are you under medication(s), I have been ignoring you until now, what's wrong with you? "

Ignoring me? To fail or refuse to notice; disregard"? You have been correcting yourself in posts to other people in response to the quotes and corrections I have given you. Discussions magically stop when I correct you. In the Franken thread it was nothing less than pathetic.

"No, I have kept my promise...unless you are lying to me and you are indeed Sir T."

Did a couple of searches and you were indeed arguing with Sir T a few weeks back.

"All this time following me around at TPM... "

I've only been here a week. Only stated calling you out a couple of days ago. Must have really got under your skin.

"and you don't know that I have already answered that question in detail concerning the Federalist Papers and our unique Republic.

Look up Federalist 39 - 43 and you have you answer..."

OH COME ON!

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa43.htm

Cant you read. There's no definition of a republic in that! Its merely discussing what Article 4, section 4 means in practice!

Here's the only mention of Republic in that!

"In a confederacy founded on republican principles, and composed of republican members, the superintending government ought clearly to possess authority to defend the system against aristocratic or monarchial innovations."

No definition. Just a mention of what it ought to do, mearly defend agains autocratic and Moarcical systems. In other worts walking about what it isn't!

"As the confederate republic of Germany," says Montesquieu, "consists of free cities and petty states, subject to different princes, experience shows us that it is more imperfect than that of Holland and Switzerland.""

Discussion of the republics in Germany in comparison with others, in the context of a confederacy of states. NO DEFINITION.

"But the authority extends no further than to a guaranty of a republican form of government, which supposes a pre-existing government of the form which is to be guaranteed. As long, therefore, as the existing republican forms are continued by the States, they are guaranteed by the federal Constitution. Whenever the States may choose to substitute other republican forms, they have a right to do so, and to claim the federal guaranty for the latter."

Hey the Federal government is able to guarantee republican forms of goverment, but if the state wants to change it around, the federal goverment cant interfere. NO DEFINITION!

"At first view, it might seem not to square with the republican theory, to suppose, either that a majority have not the right, or that a minority will have the force, to subvert a government; and consequently, that the federal interposition can never be required, but when it would be improper."

A discussion in whether imposing federal law would be a violation of republican principles. Guess what? NO DEFINITION!

That's it. Those are the only times "Republic" is mentioned in the entire document. Not one definition of a Republic in any of it! And you think of yourself as some kind of scholar.

That fact is that its well known that the founding fathers did not define "Republic" at all in any of their writings. Your attempt to drag in this shows that you are both ignorant of their writings and philosophy and disrespectful of their legacy. That's why I kept asking it as I knew you could not have an answer. There is no answer. They never defined a republic.

And all your claims of going back to the "founding fathers" and "unique republican system" were just as false as there was no definition there. If you think there is then you are simply misinformed and wrong.

You fell into my trap.

"Just say, "I'm sorry TPM users for my rude and uncivil behavior, I will be nicer in the future to all users regardless of political view point".

Then we can start all over like nothing happen or you can follow me around until the day I die knowing I will never reply to you again. Remember when you are cyber-stalking me you are ruining the creditability of the thread and disrespecting TPM and all of it's users, it's a selfish thing to do.

Choose and choose wisely..."

HA! You're looking in a mirror right? And me cyberstalking you now? Go on play, the victim. Braitbart and you are good company.

Good god these people are so self delusional...

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July 26, 2010 12:46 AM    in reply to Squire T

"Go on play, the victim"

What a nutt job you are, have I been following you around on TPM distorting what you say like some little school girl with a crush on teacher, of course not! I have only been replying to you here on this thread to end our social intercourse once and for all, my trap you moron!

You are such a freaking dirt-bag it is beyond the pale, and very stupid to boot.

I said Federalist 39-43, not just 43. Do you just say anything that pops into your high school brain of yours to be a smart ass or are you just being you? True insanity incarnated

You have to read all of the Federalist Papers to know how the Constitution itself defines our Republic, republican form of government and how republicanism makes it all work. You don't get it because like everything you do and have done here it's been half-ass backwards but to a simpleton like you it's brilliant.

Look stupid there are 85 Federalist Papers, 18 of which discuss republic, republican or republicanism and there are only 3 that discuss democracy but only in a negative light because James Madison the archetypal of our Constitutional Republic was promoting republicanism over democracy, this is a historic fact. None of the 85 Federalist Papers discuss a representative democracy, in fact you would not find the two words together if you bother to look, you lazy ass. But Federalist 48 mentions representative republic together, this is very important...so pay attention. The point being James Madison was creating a unique republic based on republicanism, not democracy and the Federalist Papers make this very clear and for you to deny this either makes you too stupid to understand the concept of the Constitution being enshrined republicanism or republicanism being the Constitution in definition both would be true. Progressives must deny this because the need to promote democracy to introduce socialism into our republican form of government by unconstitutional democratic means, this is sedition and true progressive masters know this but will not admit to the general public.

Class is over and I'm done will you, you had your chance and you blew it...


I Hate Democracy

Restore the Republic and the Constitution to its rightful place in Government

CHEERS...

GOOD NIGHT NOW!

p.s. Due to the volume of lying, emotional and hateful remarks by progressives directed at me, I will no longer reply to any post filled with personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities.

If you expect a reply from me act nicely!

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July 26, 2010 12:20 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Oh and the one answer you gave before that to my question was "The constitution"

Which was a bogus answer if I ever heard one. So what happened. Did you do an emergency look up of some feberal papers to throw me off?

Here, I'll throw you a bone. John Adams in 1787 defined it as "a government, in which all men, rich and poor, magistrates and subjects, officers and people, masters and servants, the first citizen and the last, are equally subject to the laws."

That's from wikipedia. Would that have been so hard to say rather than "The constitution" which is a stupid answer but it does mean you dont have to know anything. Just like saying "Read Federalist papers Random number". Which also means you dont need to know anything. But it probably would have contradicted your worldview. Somehow.

And yeah I said they had not given a definition before this. I decided to look up some stuff on wiki and I found that. It also says that they were not able to come up with an AGREED definition of republicanism. See, being wrong is no shame. Its funny that YOU never were able to give even that definition, isn't it?

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July 26, 2010 12:49 AM    in reply to Squire T

My reply at the bottom.

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July 26, 2010 12:38 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

It has NOTHING to do with the fact that your politics differ from those of the regular users of this site.

It has EVERYTHING to do with your lack of truth, lack of facts, and lack of reading comprehension.

The fact that you have your own definition of "progressive" that we don't share, and your own definition of "sedition" that NO ONE shares.

When stupid liars come here and spread nonsense, and call every user here a traitor, the only reasonable response is scorn and ridicule.

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July 25, 2010 10:06 PM    in reply to Squire T

Do you feel validated now that I have validated you?

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July 24, 2010 12:55 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Stupid liars who want to destroy the country deserve nothing but scorn and ridicule. You whine about kindness is just a reflection of the bankruptcy of your lies. Fuck off, liar.

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July 24, 2010 3:15 PM    in reply to Silence

And she takes big Federal subsidies for her "family farm", she takes subsidies for fostering, and she doesn't actually spend much time doing anything for them. So she's a hypocrite in her personal life, just like her professional goals of less government only so long as it conforms to her personal worldview. Abortion bans, marriage restrictions, and huge deficit spending on unnecessary weapons systems? Those are all just fine, never mind the utter lack of Constitutional roots for needing an offensive military or these intrusive regulations.

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July 24, 2010 11:33 AM   

@ SCOOP...

It's just sad that all those statistics are so true, the time to do something has almost totally passed, and the fact of the matter is that our country is going to really be facing a lot of problems with large rates of social inequality...and it's sad because the rich just DO NOT CARE! Whether it's the politicians, the businessmen, the investors, it doesn't matter...none of them give a shit about helping the poor and disadvantaged minorities.

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July 24, 2010 12:26 PM   

Want a real laugh, look at the original picture: NV grassroots committee sponsered by Americans For Prosperity Foundation.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Prosperity

About as Grassrootsy as you can get! ha ha!

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July 24, 2010 1:12 PM   

Michele Bachmann is so proud, so pretty, and so right on the issues. As long as true leaders & patriots such as Lady Michele keep getting elected to Congress, there is hope for America.

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July 25, 2010 9:06 AM    in reply to Ahmedsaid

too funny! This is a joke....right?

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July 24, 2010 1:13 PM   

More and more, the leaders and talking heads of our two mobs in Washington remind me of carnival barkers... standing in front of the curtain, their entire goal nothing more than doing and saying ANYTHING to get you to give them your hard earned money. After that you get to see just how warped and dishonest their spiel really was.
Of course those barkers could learn a lot from todays politicians and leaders because even after we see all the misrepresentations, we will come back tomorrow and give them more time and money, bringing our friends so they can be fooled also...

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July 24, 2010 1:35 PM   

May the Tea Party suckle on the teat of Michele Bachmann's surrealistic caucus.

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July 24, 2010 1:41 PM   

Obama will be re-elected in 2012. Mark my words.

Simple reason: the Republicans just don't have anyone who can win.

The GOP field in 2012 is shaping up much like the Democratic field in 2004: Lots of candidates, few winners.

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July 24, 2010 1:49 PM   

There are quite a few parallels between the current GOP field and the Dem field in 2004.

Sarah Palin= Howard Dean (Lots of flash and enthusiasm...but seen as too polarizing/extreme)

Mitt Romney = John Kerry (Lots of on-paper experience, but no pizazz...and too self conscious/elitist)

Mitch Daniels = Joe Lieberman (the policy wonk of the group...but not ideologically pure enough and too dull)

Mike Huckabee = John Edwards (Likeable, Southern charm....but support not quite broad enough among the base to win it).

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July 24, 2010 1:55 PM    in reply to mibwilso

Obama and Palin are tied in the polls..

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July 24, 2010 2:12 PM    in reply to Silence

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/palins-poll-numbers-hit-historic-lows-even-among-gopers.php

"In the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, the amount of people with a favorable view of Palin has dropped to its lowest point ever recorded by the pollster. More than 70% of respondents said she's not qualified to be president.

Palin's numbers don't improve much when just Republicans are asked to give their opinion of her, the poll found.

The Post reports just 45% of conservatives consider Palin qualified to move into the Oval Office. Last November, 66% of conservatives said she was qualified.

Only 37 percent of Republicans have a "strongly favorable" view of Palin. Among all Americans, her overall favorable/unfavorable split is 37/55, the lowest it's been since ABC and the Post added her to national polls in Sept. 2008..."

Liar.

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July 24, 2010 8:06 PM    in reply to Silence

Is it a head-to-head matchup between Palin vs. Obama? That's the only kind that would mean anything. And even then, it's a long way to November 2012.

More likely, it's an apples-to-oranges comparison of Obama's "approval rating" against Palin's "favorability rating."

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July 25, 2010 12:55 PM    in reply to rachelrachel

No, it's just a stupid liar lying. And being stupid. Nothing to see here.

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July 24, 2010 2:12 PM    in reply to mibwilso

For now. 2 things will change that in a heartbeat: 1) Obama hasn't started campaigning and 2) Palin hasn't had to answer any hostile questions since the 2008 campaign ended....that will change if she starts to run.

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July 24, 2010 2:00 PM   

She is bragging that she got 40 people out sign up, out of 435 members of the house...big deal..she is full of hot air..as usual!

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July 24, 2010 4:08 PM    in reply to ilovedessert

Huge bounty from Blue Cross and Wellpoint divided 40 ways.

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July 24, 2010 3:18 PM   

This woman is a clown and ought to be subject to brutal ridicule every God damned time she opens her stupid, fucking mouth.

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July 24, 2010 4:06 PM   

Bring it, psycho b!t¢#!

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July 24, 2010 4:18 PM   

The teabagger movement reminds me early 90’s.

Back then the Republicans could not run on their ideas or record either. After years of voodoo economics resulted in banks failures and bailouts, a market crash and recession, the country elected Clinton.

In the midterms the Republicans decided their best chance was to rile up the base by using conservative talk radio and abusing evangelical pulpit to spread fear of a giant Clinton secular socialist conspiracy. They also tried to convert the anger over the bank bailouts (S&L crisis) that happened under Bush into a general anti-Washington frenzy by using various corporate funded astro-turf, pro-term limit, colonial themed groups with names like Freedom Loving Patriots for Term Limits and such. The term limit mania was endlessly stoked on conservative talk radio as the panacea for every ill.

Of course the first thing to get shelved when the Republicans took back the House in 94 was term limits (they had more important issues to tackle, like impeaching the President for a beej). Good times.

It is no different today. Repubs can’t run on their failed ideas and they can’t run on their dismal record under Bush. The best they can do is use News Corp, astro-turfing and talk radio to try to blame Obama for Bush’s deficit spending and bank bailouts, spread conspiracy theories and of course race-bait.

Plus le change...

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July 24, 2010 4:44 PM   

Why are libs angry at her? she is only telling the truth and point out the lies of libs!

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July 24, 2010 4:47 PM    in reply to Teaparty American

You are so stupid that no one can argue with you. You would never understand.

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July 24, 2010 11:43 PM    in reply to Teaparty American

Batshitcrazy shelley wouldn't know the truth if they grew a government subsidized crop of it on the Bachmann family farm farm. And I doubt you would either.

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July 24, 2010 4:53 PM   

I wish just once one of these so called leaders would actually say what they want instead of these inane catch phrases like "want the country the way it was before." Give me specifics. Do you want it the way it was before Obama and if so point out why it was better? Or the way it was before Reagan which I think would be a good place to start. Or, as I tend to believe, many of this ilk would like it to be the way it was before Lincoln. I know their followers are low on brain cells, but I really wish they'd take it up a notch and quit sounding like the cheerleading squad from a 1950s low IQ high school.

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July 24, 2010 5:31 PM    in reply to Marietz

I think, in many respects, this band is about a theocracy more than they are about a return to antebellum politics. If they really believed in the Constitution, it wouldn't make any difference if the president were a Christian, Muslim or Druid. Yet....there is a preponderance of the folks on the right demonstrating a continued angst with this settled issue.

Another TeaPeep Maven, Sharron Angle, is quoted today as having said that her vision of our country is 'One nation under God, not one nation under government.'

I don't believe that either Sharron or Michelle and I share the same view of what is important to God. We certainly do not agree that the Founders intended that our overnment should not be ruled by a church, consortium of relgions or theologians. We do, however, share the same Country, Founders, history and government. None of the which is within their right or purview to 'take' from me.

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July 24, 2010 5:18 PM   

Speaking of anger:

"You know it took me about a year to start hating the 9/11 victims' families?"

Glenn Beck

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July 26, 2010 12:52 AM   

"Go on play, the victim"

What a nutt job you are, have I been following you around on TPM distorting what you say like some little school girl with a crush on teacher, of course not...you have! I have only been replying to you here on this thread to end our social intercourse once and for all, my trap you moron!

You are such a freaking dirt-bag it is beyond the pale, and very stupid to boot.

I said Federalist 39-43, not just 43. Do you just say anything that pops into your high school brain of yours to be a smart ass or are you just being you? True insanity incarnated

You have to read all of the Federalist Papers to know how the Constitution itself defines our Republic, republican form of government and how republicanism makes it all work. You don't get it because like everything you do and have done here it's been half-ass backwards but to a simpleton like you it's brilliant.

Look stupid there are 85 Federalist Papers, 18 of which discuss republic, republican or republicanism and there are only 3 that discuss democracy but only in a negative light because James Madison the archetypal of our Constitutional Republic was promoting republicanism over democracy, this is a historic fact. None of the 85 Federalist Papers discuss a representative democracy, in fact you would not find the two words together if you bother to look, you lazy ass. But Federalist 48 mentions representative republic together, this is very important...so pay attention. The point being James Madison was creating a unique republic based on republicanism, not democracy and the Federalist Papers make this very clear and for you to deny this either makes you too stupid to understand the concept of the Constitution being enshrined republicanism or republicanism being the Constitution in definition both would be true. Progressives must deny this because the need to promote democracy to introduce socialism into our republican form of government by unconstitutional democratic means, this is sedition and true progressive masters know this but will not admit to the general public.

Class is over and I'm done will you, you had your chance and you blew it...


I Hate Democracy

Restore the Republic and the Constitution to its rightful place in Government

CHEERS...

GOOD NIGHT NOW!

p.s. Due to the volume of lying, emotional and hateful remarks by progressives directed at me, I will no longer reply to any post filled with personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities.

If you expect a reply from me act nicely!

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July 26, 2010 1:08 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Due to the volume of lying, emotional and hateful remarks by progressives directed at me, I will no longer reply to any post filled with personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities.

In other words, unless someone gives you respect that you clearly haven't earned, you won't reply. Would that that were true.

I have a better idea: Go the fuck away. No one wants you here. NO ONE. Not one single person. You are a liar and quite stupid. You malign the regular users of this site. Why would ANYONE want you here? You contribute NOTHING.

Clang clang clang, goes the spoon on the pan, and the adults frown.

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July 26, 2010 3:38 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"None of the 85 Federalist Papers discuss a representative democracy, in fact you would not find the two words together if you bother to look, you lazy ass. "

THAT'S BECAUSE REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACIES DIDN'T EXIST IN THE 1700s, you idiot!

"What a nutt job you are, have I been following you around on TPM distorting what you say like some little school girl with a crush on teacher, of course not...you have!"

You just said I've been following myself around...

As for how come I've seen your postings, how the hell could I avoid you. You have been filling up every thread with your bullshit. You're like a guy that continuously jumps in front of cars for fun and then complains loudly when he gets run over.

"I said Federalist 39-43, not just 43."

Yes I've read them. NONE of them define what a Republic is, just that something should conform to republican principles or whatnot. I'm not going to bore people by quoting them again. If you want to prove me wrong quote them yourself.

The fact is you have never defined Republicanism. The person that pulled out a quote defining republicanism from the founding fathers was me. You couldn't do it, you just dodged the question.

"You have to read all of the Federalist Papers to know..." stuff that was relevant in the 1780s. Your stupid insistence about democracy shows you have no idea about context. Do you really think James Madison, if he was alive today, would hate democracy?

"The point being James Madison was creating a unique republic based on republicanism, not democracy and the Federalist Papers make this very clear and for you to WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH"

What the hell are you talking about? Madison DIDN'T set up everything by himself. He didn't even write more than about a third of the federalist papers. As for the last part of your crap you sound like a spoiled child having a tantrum.

"I will no longer reply to any post..."

If only you would actually do that.

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July 26, 2010 1:54 PM   

Please ignore the DugFmJamul troll. He clearly doesn't want to discuss ideas using fact-based logic, so it's pointless to even respond. His mental illness is that he needs to be noticed spewing his fantasies. If we ignore him, he will go away.

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