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The Dirty Dozen: Tom Tancredo's Top 12 Moments Of Nativism, Racism And Fear-Mongering (VIDEO)


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Tom Tancredo. The man. The myth. The nativist.

Yesterday, the former Republican congressman and 2008 presidential candidate upended the Colorado gubernatorial race by backing up his threat to run as a third-party candidate if the two leading Republican candidates didn't vow to drop out.

Tancredo will run under the banner of the Constitution Party, a religiously conservative, right-wing group that has had little electoral success to boast of since its founding in 1992. But Tancredo's career hasn't really been about religion. Instead, his focus has been on immigration and border issues. And by focus, we mean extremist obsession.

Tancredo's presence on the ballot in the general election could siphon votes away from the eventual Republican gubernatorial nominee in Colorado. But it's also likely to draw more attention to his personal brand of acute immigrant-phobia and border hysteria -- a scary political philosophy that will now be given the platform of a gubernatorial campaign.

TPM went back and dredged up some of Tancredo's most noxious statements.

1. The Time Tancredo Argued Obama Is A Greater Threat Than Al Queda

Tancredo's current crusade is convincing the American people that President Obama poses a bigger threat to the country than the perpetrators of the worst terrorist act in the nation's history. It's quite an argument -- and it even prompted Fox News' outrage-addicted anchor Megyn Kelly to say "it's tough to take you seriously."

2. The Time Tancredo Called Sotomayor A Member Of The "Latino KKK"

In the midst of right-wing fear-mongering last year over the Supreme Court nomination of Sonia Sotomayor, Tancredo was outraged by her membership on the National Council of La Raza, an organization that describes itself as "the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States." Tancredo had a different conception, describing the group as "a Latino KKK without the hoods or the nooses."

3. The Time Tancredo Lamented Miami Becoming "A Third World Country"

In a 2006 interview with World Net Daily, Tancredo warned of an impending "North American Union," and pointed to Miami as an example of what we could expect from immigration. "Look at what has happened to Miami. It has become a Third World country," he said. "You just pick it up and take it and move it someplace. You would never know you're in the United States of America. You would certainly say you're in a Third World country."

4. The Time Tancredo Accused The Pope Of Welcoming Illegal Immigrants To The U.S. To Boost Church Membership

In 2008, when Pope Benedict XVI visited the U.S., Tancredo called out the Holy See after Benedict urged communities to "welcome the immigrants who join your ranks today."

"I suspect the pope's immigration comments may have less to do with spreading the gospel than they do about recruiting new members of the church," Tancredo said. "This isn't preaching; it is faith-based marketing."

5. The Time Tancredo Said He Didn't Know Whether The Obama Administration Hates White People

Appearing on MSNBC last year, Tancredo was asked if he agreed with Rush Limbaugh's statement that the Obama administration hated white people. Tancredo's answer?

"What do I -- I have no idea if they hate white people or not. But I will tell you this," he said. "I am sick of having people suggest that because I am Caucasian, I cannot -- and that's the suggestion here -- is that if you are white, Caucasian, male, you cannot comment on this sort of thing."

6. The Time Tancredo Put Out An Ad Depicting A Fictional Terrorist Attack

In 2007, one of Tancredo's presidential campaign ads warned that there are "consequences to open borders beyond the 20 million aliens who come to take our jobs." For instance: KABOOOM!

7. The Time Tancredo Suggested The U.S. Respond To A Terrorist Nuclear Attack By Bombing Mecca

In 2007, Tancredo asserted that if Muslim extremists attacked the country with nuclear weapons, "you could take out their holy sites."

A Tancredo spokesperson later clarified that "he is open-minded and willing to embrace other options," but that the willingness to consider bombing holy sites "shows that we mean business... there's no more effective deterrent than that."

8. The Time Tancredo Wanted To Kick Anti-Border Fence Towns Out Of The Country, And Then Build A Fence So That They Were On The Other Side

Tancredo has always been a big proponent of a border fence. So when mayors from towns along the U.S.-Mexico border opposed constructing a fence through their towns, Tancredo demonstrated his knack for problem solving and came up with a neat little solution: "build the border fence north of these communities."

"These mayors have already demonstrated that their hearts and loyalties lie with Mexico," Tancredo said. "Perhaps they'd feel more comfortable if their cities were geographically located there as well."

9. The Time Tancredo Introduced The Jihad Prevention Act

In 2008, while still in Congress, Tancredo introduced legislation to "require aliens to attest that they will not advocate installing a Sharia law system in the United States as a condition for admission."

10. The Time Tancredo Declared Obama Was Elected Because "We Do Not Have A Civics, Literacy Test"

When Tancredo spoke on the opening night of the National Tea Party Convention in February, he took a little detour from his traditional anti-immigration screeds to venture into voting rights. He argued that the lack of a "civics, literacy test before people can vote in this country" contributed to Obama's election. Literacy tests, of course, were used to keep blacks from voting during the Jim Crow era.

11. The Time Tancredo Had An Aide Who Karate Chopped A Black Woman And Called Her "Nigger"

In June 2009, Marcus Epstein, the executive director of Tancredo's political action committee, plead guilty to charges stemming from an incident where he "uttered, "Nigger," as he delivered a karate chop to Ms. [REDACTED]'s head."

12. The Time Tancredo Told A Crowd Obama Should Be Sent Back To Kenya

In April, during the keynote address at a Tea Party rally in South Carolina, Tancredo told a crowd that we're "going to have to pray that we can hold on to this country." And added this about the president: "If his wife says Kenya is his homeland, why don't we just send him back?"

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July 27, 2010 9:23 AM   

digging deep. all the way back to 2006.

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July 27, 2010 9:30 AM    in reply to storm

Fortunately Tancredo's examples of guano loco are just as fresh today as the day they were minted!

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July 27, 2010 9:45 AM    in reply to storm

These quotes will continue to be relevant until Tancredo refudiates them publicly.

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

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July 27, 2010 10:30 AM    in reply to storm


Why not dig back this deep. This just goes to show what an idiot this guy is!

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July 27, 2010 12:12 PM    in reply to VAsouthernliberal

Considering that at least one of the "quotes" is from someone else and not Tancredo, it's difficult to take this list seriously.

It might be helpful to step back and think about this whole issue, and try and follow the money.

Who does TPM help with articles like this? Not most Americans: most oppose illegal immigration. Articles like this help crooked businesses, corrupt politicians, corrupt foreign governments, those who want an exploitable cheap labor force, those who want to profit from illegal activity, and so on.

As for the NCLR, calling them that was a mistake. However, for the things Eric Lach won't tell you about them, see my extensive coverage of the National Council of La Raza.

They even gave an award to someone who'd proposed genocide years before. I believe that's on the video above, yet for some reason Eric Lach isn't calling them out for giving an award to someone who'd proposed genocide.

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July 27, 2010 1:05 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3


You're right, I agree with you.

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July 27, 2010 2:41 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

I was thinking that too. Because only 11 of the 12 items are things Tancredo said or did I can't take this list seriously. And his aide just sounds like an eager karate student to me. Your voice is your first weapon in martial arts.

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July 27, 2010 11:13 AM    in reply to storm

Wah. Be glad we didn't dig back to 1986. Isn't 24-25 years the relevant period according to conservatives and the Breittard Bunch?

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July 27, 2010 9:44 AM   

Rush and Beck will soon be busy justifying it all as reasonable responses to the horrible oppression of whites by jack-booted Black Panthers and other minorities since that Kenyan usurper came to power.

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July 27, 2010 9:54 AM    in reply to bluestatedon

...and they'll be buying up history-book manufacturers in order to tell the story of how the benevolent white slave-owners of the antebellum southern states were so wickedly oppressed by "their" blacks for centuries.

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July 27, 2010 1:02 PM    in reply to bluestatedon

you know...i would LOVE to go to my polling place and have some New Black Panthers standing outside shouting racial slurs at me...

i would literally crack up on the spot

then i'd pull out my phone and start looking up more white racial slurs and start suggesting them to the NBP's...i'd also totally try and get a bunch of pictures of myself with them in suggestive poses...like me sitting down and them threatening me with wooden batons, or me cowering and them holding whips...

oh the hilarity!

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July 27, 2010 9:57 AM   

How did this guy fail to win the Republican nomination?

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July 27, 2010 10:09 AM   

It's disappointing that MSNBC lets him come on their network simply because they know he'll same something outrageous, hoping it will go viral on youtube.

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July 27, 2010 11:32 AM    in reply to Thornhill

IMO, giving him a soapbox so he can put his his crazy on display for all to see is a great way to fight it. Exhibit A whenever a Teabagger claims they aren't racists.

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July 27, 2010 10:12 AM   

In 2008, while still in Congress, Tancredo introduced legislation to "require aliens to attest that they will not advocate installing a Sharia law system in the United States as a condition for admission."

Well duh, we wouldn't want immigrants running around getting in the way of Tancredo and his buddies imposing Old Testament law, would we? :)

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July 27, 2010 10:22 AM   

Hey, the guy was too depressed to serve in Viet Nam, okay? I mean, the idea of serving in uniform depressed him. Now he wants to be considered a serious candidate for governor of Colorado and that idea depresses me. We've got ourselves a loop of depression here.

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July 27, 2010 10:27 AM   

It's absolutely amazing to me that, a hundred or so years ago, it was folks like Tancredo's people (Italians) and mine (Poles) that were the dirty, dirty immigrants speaking funny languages that had to be stopped. We ate funny food, went to weird churches and dressed strangely. Clearly, we were all threats to the American way of life.

But now, Tancredo's totally disconnected from that and looking for other immigrants to kick. I guess his family really *did* assimilate.

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July 27, 2010 10:47 AM   

Is the the religious party that slaughtered people that were different from them? They now call themselves natives? They follow the constitution? The 1st amendment says that the federal government shall NOT establish any goven religion within it. Religious freedom? Or only white christian religious freedom? Who's IDEA of America and the constitution are they for? Ask the real Native Americans about how they are still held back and forgotten. Still lving in Americas worst of poverty stricken areas. Still the highest unemployment rate area in America. Still being given empty or broken promises. The first Americans to experience terrorism. How religious are these who want to rule our nation? Re-write history and the bible? I believe it's been done so often through out history. That's why so many different denominations of christianity someone always says my interpretation is the only one. It says Jesus never demanded others follow him or live as he says. He never made slaves of people to keep him in beautiful ornate houses, clothes, etc... He never denied anyone his love and help. He walked among the night people and spoke lovingly with them to enlighten them so they could break free of the enslavement of their hearts and minds by others. He didn't use his teachings to enslave people with guilt to do his bidding and keep him in luxury. He didn't seek to control and dominate. Today he would be considered a far left wing libral democrat. Are the rest of us to be slaves to these religious conservatives? BTW, I'm a straight white christian woman. Go figure.

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July 27, 2010 11:14 AM   

This list will grow as he ramps up his campaign for governor of CO. I couldn't be more pleased. Pass the popcorn.

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July 27, 2010 11:37 AM   

Tancredo is a real class act. Was pro Vietnam as a kid (who was PRO Vietnam?) but got numerous deferments. A real hero

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July 27, 2010 12:13 PM    in reply to sickofyoujerks

GW Bush was pro vietnam war. (Not pro enough to serve on active duty of course. Or even fulfill his ANG commitment)

That should tell you all you need to know.

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July 27, 2010 12:50 PM    in reply to sickofyoujerks

Dick Cheney was pro-Viet Nam!
Meaning pro-war-with/in-Viet-Nam - not pro-Viet Nam in the sense of supporting the aspirations of the people of Viet Nam ...

He also probably got more deferments, but that would be a good metric to publicize and use as a benchmark for politician who came of age in that era.

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July 27, 2010 12:05 PM   

Tom Tancredo's Top 11 Moments Of Telling It Like It Is, he missed one!

Tancredo's current crusade is convincing the American people that President Obama poses a bigger threat to the country than the perpetrators of the worst terrorist act in the nation's history.

Al Queda has never come close to ‘Fundamentally Transforming’ this nation into a Islamic nation, Obama is close to accomplishing goal of transforming this nation into Socialist State and ripping to shreds’ the Constitution and this Republic.


The Time Tancredo Called Sotomayor A Member Of The "Latino KKK"

Sonia Sotomayor is turning out to an advocate of the living constitution, a claim she denied during the Senate hearings. Sotomayor‘s membership in “La Raza” (The Race), a Hispanic front group organization for AZTLAN militants that wants to reclaim the southwestern part of USA as their own is despicable. Could anyone imagine a white Supreme Court judge nominee getting a pass thru the Senate if they belong to a white organization called, “The Race”. Not a snow ball’s chance in hell…but social justice rules this land, not equal justice.


"Look at what has happened to Miami. It has become a Third World country," he said. "

Mr. Tancredo is right on, most of the Democratic controlled intercity governments are riddled with corruption, lawlessness and socialistic policies that have bankrupted their city treasuries. And let’s not forget these same cities are so-called “Sanctuary Cities” defying Federal Law without any repercussions from the Federal Government.


"I suspect the pope's immigration comments may have less to do with spreading the gospel than they do about recruiting new members of the church," Tancredo said. "This isn't preaching; it is faith-based marketing."

It is no surprise to anyone that the Catholic Church is interfering with US immigration Laws, why doesn’t Pope focus on Mexico cleaning up their act and treating their people with human dignity instead of giving Mexico a pass.


The Time Tancredo Said He Didn't Know Whether The Obama Administration Hates White People

How can anyone argue that statement when the Obama Administration told the Justice Department not to prosecute the New Black Panther Party for voter intimation in PA because of Black on White crime will be ignored? Social Justice, not equal justice and “Ruler’s Law” is what Obama is imposing on the USA.


The Time Tancredo Put Out An Ad Depicting A Fictional Terrorist Attack

So what? It is very possible a terrorist attack could be launched from Mexico considering our unsecured borders.


In 2007, Tancredo asserted that if Muslim extremists attacked the country with nuclear weapons, "you could take out their holy sites."

Makes perfectly good sense to me, Muslims extremists would never ever attack America again if they knew we would vaporize their holy sites.


"These mayors have already demonstrated that their hearts and loyalties lie with Mexico," Tancredo said. "Perhaps they'd feel more comfortable if their cities were geographically located there as well."

Another perfectly sound thing to do, but I would deport these seditious bastards to Mexico where they can all live under ‘Napoleonic Law”.


In 2008, while still in Congress, Tancredo introduced legislation to "require aliens to attest that they will not advocate installing a Sharia law system in the United States as a condition for admission."

What’s wrong with that statement?
I guess progressives want more immigrants whom want to install Sharia Law and replace our Constitutional Republic with an Islamic one. I don’t know about you all, but bowing down 5 times a day praying towards Mecca and making the women folk dress in berkas, not to mention removing their clitoris at birth is something I would want to avoid not promote!


The Time Tancredo Declared Obama Was Elected Because "We Do Not Have A Civics, Literacy Test"

Ok, I agree that was out of line and Tom made a mistake, because we should NEVER have any type of test to qualify for voting, just validating U.S. Citizenship seems TO BE a hard enough endeavor for this incompetent government to accomplish.


The Time Tancredo Had An Aide Who Karate Chopped A Black Woman And Called Her "Nigger"

What BS, Marcus Epstein pleaded guilty not Tom Tancredo. This has no bearing on Tom’s character, what yellow journalistic nonsense.


"If his wife says Kenya is his homeland, why don't we just send him back?"

More proof progressives and liberals lack any type of sense of humor, unless the humor is coming out of Jon Stewarts’ or Rosie O'Donnell's pie holes.

Progressives may not like what Mr. Tancredo has to say but labeling his words as Nativism, Racism and Fear-Mongering is nothing more than progressive propaganda and not journalism, shame on you Eric Lack for being a tool of ‘yellow journalism’.


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July 27, 2010 1:04 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

This has no bearing on Tom’s character, what yellow journalistic nonsense.

"Jeremiah Wright" ring any bells?
Of course, by your standards, this has even less bearing on Obama's character than employing a racist criminal does on Tancredo ...

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July 27, 2010 1:12 PM    in reply to kenga

"Jeremiah Wright" ring any bells?

Sure does, and the tone is deafening...

...Obama sat in Rev. Wright's pews for over 20 years absorbing Wright's hatred for White People and Liberation Theology to say Obama lived in vacuum during those years would be preposterous, if not down right stupid.

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July 27, 2010 1:04 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

you sure took a long time to type that trolling response out

lol

nerd

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July 27, 2010 1:07 PM    in reply to NerdRage

Well it's hard to argue with 'Common Sense', right?

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July 27, 2010 2:15 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

It would be... if you had any.

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July 27, 2010 2:37 PM    in reply to Bob

If I were King of the Forest, Not queen, not duke, not prince.
My regal robes of the forest, would be satin, not cotton, not chintz.
I'd command each thing, be it fish or fowl.
With a woof and a woof and a royal growl - woof.
As I'd click my heel, all the trees would kneel.
And the mountains bow and the bulls kowtow.
And the sparrow would take wing - If I - If I - were King!
Each rabbit would show respect to me.
The chipmunks genuflect to me.
Though my tail would lash, I would show compash
For every underling!
If I - If I - were King!
Just King!

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July 27, 2010 1:10 PM    in reply to NerdRage


This DugFmJamul is like most conservatives; he talks for hours before most realize he isn't saying anything. I think he just talks to hear himself roar.

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July 27, 2010 1:14 PM    in reply to VAsouthernliberal

"I think he just talks to hear himself roar.", yes I do but I also like to make a stand against seditious progressives that would undermine this Republic and Constitution.

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July 27, 2010 1:21 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

never have I heard dug roar, he usually is whining incessantly about progress as sedition, or whimpering in another sockpuppet manifestation about democracy as the scourge of republicanism.

Bur roar?

...wimpy little chicken-hawk peeps and preposterous, ompossible, irony challenged projections, but hardly what one might call a roar.

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July 27, 2010 1:24 PM    in reply to JEP07

Well Jep,

Nothing to say about the subject matter, just popped in to hurl some personal attacks at me...progressives they are so predictable...ha...ha

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July 27, 2010 1:37 PM    in reply to JEP07

whimpering in another sockpuppet manifestation about democracy as the scourge of republicanism.

What?

Are you smoke'n the wacky tobacco, 'sockpuppet manifestation'...nonsense I have and always will be only 'DugFmJamul', there is no other...sober up and join reality.

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July 27, 2010 2:04 PM    in reply to JEP07


This is true. But, if he says anything that makes sense his head would explode. A typical conservitive!

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July 27, 2010 2:45 PM    in reply to VAsouthernliberal

We represent the Lullaby League, The Lullaby League, The Lullaby League
And in the name of the Lullaby League,
We wish to welcome you to Munchkinland.
We represent the Lollypop Guild, The Lollypop Guild, The Lollypop Guild
And in the name of the Lollypop Guild,
We wish to welcome you to Muchkinland.
We welcome you to Munchkinland, Tra la la la la la la
From now on you'll be history.
You'll be history, you'll be history, you'll be history.
And we will glorify your name.
You will be a bust, be a bust, be a bust
In the Hall of Fame!

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July 27, 2010 1:15 PM    in reply to NerdRage

Oh by the way what makes me a 'troll' and you not?

You sure did not make any comments about the subject of this thread, did you?

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July 27, 2010 1:23 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

and he will get the last word, especially when someone says he will...

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July 27, 2010 1:24 PM    in reply to JEP07

he's the kind of obstructionist who thinks the Wright Brothers shoulda been arrested for defying the laws of gravity...

...those Wrights are all alike, doncha know...

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July 27, 2010 1:28 PM    in reply to JEP07

he's the kind of obstructionist who thinks the Wright Brothers shoulda been arrested for defying the laws of gravity...

There you go again Jep, confusing your minions with progress and progressivisim, they are not equal.

Why don't you tell the truth and just say progressivisim is equal to 'genuine socialism' and let the truth set you free!

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July 27, 2010 1:47 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

The depth of your ignorance, hyperbole and racist nonsense should be alarming, but it isn't. The fact that is isn't is the real tragedy.

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July 27, 2010 1:57 PM    in reply to Hornswaggle

No the tragedy is another progressive having nothing to say about the subject matter, but pops in to hurl some personal attacks at me...

...progressives they are so very predictable...ha...ha...very soon I'm going to have to post my 'ad hominem' declaimer before the progressives get out of control here and render this thread useless because of their personal attacks at me...

...you see TPM users I'm just trying to uphold the creditability of this thread, but progressives are always the first ones to draw blood, it's their way!

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

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July 27, 2010 2:10 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Creditability? You don't even no what the word means. If you think your words are credable , then you need to try again.

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July 27, 2010 2:29 PM    in reply to VAsouthernliberal

I could while away the hours, conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain.
And my head I'd be scratchin' while
my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain.
I'd unravel every riddle for any individ'le,
In trouble or in pain.
With the thoughts you'll be thinkin'
you could be another Lincoln
If you only had a brain.
Oh, I could tell you why The ocean's near the shore.
I could think of things I never thunk before.
And then I'd sit, and think some more.
I would not be just a nothin' my head all full of stuffin'
My heart all full of pain.
I would dance and be merry, life would be a ding-a-derry,
If I only had a brain.

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July 27, 2010 2:16 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

I'm sorry, but I fail to see where in your post you have a shred of credibility. Maybe that's why we are falling short in your eyes... your post is really not worth a serious reply.

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July 27, 2010 2:30 PM    in reply to spaceriqui

When a man's an empty kettle he should be on his mettle,
And yet I'm torn apart.
Just because I'm presumin' that I could be kind-a-human,
If I only had heart.
I'd be tender - I'd be gentle and awful sentimental
Regarding Love and Art.
I'd be friends with the sparrows ...
and the boys who shoots the arrows
If I only had a heart.
Picture me - a balcony. Above a voice sings low.
Wherefore art thou, Romeo? I hear a beat....
How sweet.
Just to register emotion, jealousy - devotion,
And really feel the part.
I could stay young and chipper
and I'd lock it with a zipper,
If I only had a heart.

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July 27, 2010 2:17 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

So you respond in kind, fine. I should expect no less.
I can't, simply can't, bring myself to waste the time responding to the numerous, I should say, dozen or so claims that are just hyperbolic racist opinion on the obvious face of it. Why respond in depth when you're clearly not interested in seriously learning the truth of things. Why is it clear, because so much of what you've said is easily refutable with simple Google searches. Of course, your response now will be "if it's so easy then why don't you do it?" Because I really have no more time to spend on you than I have already spent. Why should I waste my time regurgitating information readily available to you? Everything you've said is your opinion, is not really backed up by any facts. There is no, none - zilch - zip - balance in your argument. You are convinced, like Mr. T from CO, that immigrants and progressives and their ilk are horrible evil people here to rob you of your liberty and your money.

That's just ridiculous, on the face of it.

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July 27, 2010 2:31 PM    in reply to Hornswaggle

Yeh, it's sad, believe me, Missy,
When you're born to be a sissy
Without the vim and verve.
But I could show my prowess, be a lion not a mou-ess
If I only had the nerve.
I'm afraid there's no denyin' I'm just a dandelion,
A fate I don't deserve.
I'd be brave as a blizzard....
I'd be gentle as a lizard....
I'd be clever as a gizzard....
If the Wizard is a Wizard who will serve.
Then I'm sure to get a brain, a heart, a home, the nerve!

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July 27, 2010 3:07 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

So.... your response is to take three responses and cut'n'paste the songs from The Wizard of Oz?

Is that supposed to offend or upset us?

You start with purely opinion-based hyperbole (that avoids the issue at hand, btw) then follow with attacks on your critics calling them out on not having facts (which you never had to begin with) and then when they call you out on this juxtaposition, you use taunts to evoke an emotional response?

Obvious troll is Obvious.

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July 27, 2010 3:12 PM    in reply to Hornswaggle

So.... your response is to take three responses and cut'n'paste the songs from The Wizard of Oz?

Of course, it makes more sense than the babble coming from you progressives and its funny if you read in order. I'm laughing my ass off, how about you?

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July 27, 2010 5:35 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"Of course, it makes more sense than the babble coming from you progressives "

If we aren't allowed to make personal attacks (by your own admonishment and prohibition), then neither are you. Hold yourself up to your own standard or get lost.

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July 27, 2010 5:46 PM    in reply to Hornswaggle

"Hold yourself up to your own standard or get lost.", sorry I'm not going to be your punching bag...I do hold myself up to higher standard, that is why I responded with OZ lyrics instead of firing back foul language...etc...etc..

Why are you even talking to me, you said early you didn't want to waste you time on me, now you can't shut up!

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July 27, 2010 5:55 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

But you don't hold yourself up to a higher standard. You make personal attacks too.

Simple as that.

I came back because, well... as painfully aware as I am of my own hypocrisy, the hypocrisy of Democrats and Republicans - I guess I just couldn't help but come back here and reveal your hypocrisy to you.

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July 27, 2010 6:01 PM    in reply to Hornswaggle

"You make personal attacks too.", only after I have been attacked several times.

If you think that calling progressives, "seditious" is a personal attack you are seriously mistaken, it is a accurate description of their political movement.

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July 27, 2010 7:57 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

You've done more than group all TPM posters and readers as "progressives" and debase what they stand for, accurately or not.

You've made personal attacks without provocation. You know and I know and lots of others do to. You're hypocrite.

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July 27, 2010 8:39 PM    in reply to Hornswaggle

You've done more than group all TPM posters and readers as "progressives" and debase what they stand for, accurately or not.

Only progressives seem to be the ones that are ticked off, no one else cares but menstrual cycling seditious progressives with a bone to pick, like you!

You've made personal attacks without provocation. You know and I know and lots of others do to. You're hypocrite.

It's only menstrual cycling seditious progressives with a bone to pick...like you...whom seem to be thin skinned. I don't care about what other think, how do you know? Do you email each other about me, now that's sick!

"hypocrite", it takes one to know one and you surly would know one...just look in the mirror.

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July 27, 2010 8:54 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"Only progressives seem to be the ones that are ticked off, no one else cares but menstrual cycling seditious progressives with a bone to pick, like you!"

Now who is engaging in personal attacks? I do have a bone to pick, with trolling hypocrites - of which you are one.

"It's only menstrual cycling seditious progressives with a bone to pick...like you...whom seem to be thin skinned. I don't care about what other think, how do you know? Do you email each other about me, now that's sick!"

For someone who doesn't care what we think, you sure have a great deal to say. Oh... that's right - you're here to speak to your "silent majority". How do I know what others think? I don't need to email anyone, I can just read other people's posts in response to your own. As someone who has passed high school reading comprehension, I can deduce that other TPM posters have grappled with you before. You do realize that I can read other people posts, right? That I can think for myself and form an opinion about what I think they may believe.

""hypocrite", it takes one to know one and you surly would know one...just look in the mirror."

As I have already stated, I am aware of my hypocrisy. I certainly don't need you to tell me. What I need is for you to be aware of your hypocrisy.

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July 27, 2010 9:05 PM    in reply to Hornswaggle

"What I need is for you to be aware of your hypocrisy.", why do you need this validation from me?

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July 27, 2010 9:53 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

This is all you got from that post? This is all you're bringing to the table? This is supposed to bait me? Do you consider this to be some cunning turn?

You're boring, dude.

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July 27, 2010 5:31 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"because of their personal attacks at me..."

How did I personally attack you?

You are ignorant of the facts
You speak in hyperbole
You deal in racism.

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July 27, 2010 2:57 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Once again, nothing but Drug's opinion and no actual facts or evidence to back himself up.

Plenty of hot air, though.

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July 27, 2010 3:04 PM    in reply to Signalman

Ha - ha - ha, Ho - ho - ho - And a couple of tra - la - las
That's how we laugh the day away, In the Merry Old Land of Oz!
Bzz - bzz - bzz, Chirp - chirp - chirp - And a couple of La - di - das
That's how the crickets crick all day, In the Merry Old Land of Oz!
We get up at twelve and start to work at one.
Take an hour for lunch and then at two we're done.
Jolly good fun!
Ha - ha - ha, Ho - ho - ho - And a couple of tra - la - las
That's how we laugh the day away, In the Merry Old Land of Oz!
Pat, pat here, Pat, pat there, and a couple of brand new straws.
That's how we keep you young and fair In the Merry Old Land of Oz!
Rub, rub here, Rub, rub there, Whether you're tin or brass
That's how we keep you in repair In the Merry Old Land of Oz!
We can make a dimple smile out of a frown.
Can you even dye my eyes to match my gown? Uh-huh!
Jolly Old town!
Clip, clip here, Clip, clip there, We give the roughest claws.
That certain air of savoir faire, In the Merry Old Land of Oz!
Ha - ha - ha - Ho - ho - ho - Ho - ho - ho - ho -
That's how we laugh the day away In the Merry Old Land of Oz!
Ha - ha - ha, Ho - ho - ho - Ha - ha - ha -ha - ha
That's how we laugh the day away, In the Merry Old Land of Oz!

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July 27, 2010 4:02 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

I suspect that one poster on this thread may well be guilty of copyright infringement.

Who would like to contact MGM and tell them about it?

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July 27, 2010 4:07 PM    in reply to Signalman

Who would like to contact MGM and tell them about it?

But I have permission from the "Wizard" to post the lyrics here to make you days sunny and bright...ha.ha...are you all shinny happy people?

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July 27, 2010 5:09 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"But I have permission from the "Wizard" to post the lyrics here to make you days sunny and bright..."

Irrelevant. TPM would have to have permission to reproduce those lyrics, not you. Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.

I think I'll just flag those posts of yours and shoot the admins a little message about your disruptive and copyright-infringing behavior, whatsay? Would you like that?

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July 27, 2010 5:16 PM    in reply to Signalman

That's amazing consider how you would flag my posts but the personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities by people just like you on this thread and other threads have a had a free reign in hurling personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities at me.

I just responded to the personal attacks with wizard of oz lyrics instead of using foul language back, you should be proud of me!

You so afraid of DugFmJamul that you have to try to stop his free expression of ideas. You are so offended by me posting wizards of lyrics, you people are such hypocrites it's beyond the pale...what a sissy you are...

p.s. Good Luck with you witch hunt...loser!

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July 27, 2010 5:44 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"That's amazing consider how you would flag my posts but the personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities by people just like you on this thread and other threads have a had a free reign in hurling personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities at me."

You should talk. You're as guilty as anyone else here of slinging personal attacks. And if you don't like the obscenities, then report *us.*


"I just responded to the personal attacks with wizard of oz lyrics instead of using foul language back, you should be proud of me!"

Said the lawbreaker. :p~~~~~


"You so afraid of DugFmJamul that you have to try to stop his free expression of ideas."

What ideas, exactly, are you expressing by ripping off the intellectual property of others? What free expression is being abridged by demanding that you cease posting copyrighted material in violation of US law and the TOS of the TPM website?

If you're going to play in Josh Marshall's sandbox, then I think you owe him the courtesy of not violating copyright law and not violating his TOS when you do it. Otherwise, the TPM site admins would be well within their rights to kick you off, your free expression be damned.


"You are so offended by me posting wizards of lyrics"

No, I'm offended by unrepentant criminals like you.


"you people are such hypocrites it's beyond the pale...what a sissy you are...

Aaaand here come the personal attacks, right on time, and right after Drug has complained about being the target of them. Apparently it's okay for Drug to attack you, but never okay for you to attack Drug. (rolleyes)


p.s. Good Luck with you witch hunt...loser!"

Good luck finding some actual *ideas* to express, nitwit.

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July 27, 2010 5:51 PM    in reply to Signalman

What ideas, exactly, are you expressing by ripping off the intellectual property of others? What free expression is being abridged by demanding that you cease posting copyrighted material in violation of US law and the TOS of the TPM website?

If you're going to play in Josh Marshall's sandbox, then I think you owe him the courtesy of not violating copyright law and not violating his TOS when you do it. Otherwise, the TPM site admins would be well within their rights to kick you off, your free expression be damned.

What a bunch of BS and the say thing is you know it, instead of whining about me posting Oz lyrics you could have attack each one of my 12 points on Tom T, but nooooooooooo you have to cry about me fighting back in my own way...


Don't you have better things to do than to whine about me posting OZ Lyrics, get a life!

What a snitch!

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July 27, 2010 5:58 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

You didn't make any points. You just stated 12 opinions. We can help it if they are hyperbolic and ill-informed.

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July 27, 2010 6:04 PM    in reply to Hornswaggle

So, they are my opinions based on facts I have researched or life's experiences...I'm entitled...what can of Marxist are you?

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July 27, 2010 8:00 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Considering you're completely incorrect use of the label "Marxist"; I can only assume your research and life-experience is incomplete.

You've made blanket statements of falsity and you've used hyperbolic rhetoric without any regard for the concept rational debate: make an assertion and back it up with reasonable arguments.

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July 27, 2010 8:27 PM    in reply to Hornswaggle

My bust, I meant to say, "What kind of Marxist are you?"

Reasonable question?

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July 27, 2010 8:44 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

I understood that "can" was a type-o.

Calling me a Marxist in this context is inconsistent with the definition of Marxism. If you were connecting me with Marxism through my assertion that your statements above are merely poorly argued opinions not worthy of serious consideration and your subsequent feelings that perhaps I am attempting to abridge your right to free speech (which is completely ridiculous) - then you are using an incorrect definition of Marxism. If you are not claiming violation of free speech, then I have no idea why you brought up Marxism other than to just ask a question out of the blue.

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July 27, 2010 8:59 PM    in reply to Hornswaggle

I didn't call you a Marxist, said "What kind of Marxist are you?"

You could easly have replied with, "I'm no kind of Marxist" and be perfectly civil...but you chose to be obtuse...didn't you?

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July 27, 2010 9:51 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"If you are not claiming violation of free speech, then I have no idea why you brought up Marxism other than to just ask a question out of the blue."

Guess you missed this part where I admitted that maybe you were just asking me. Your Troll Agenda is showing.

And, to go back to my response, why is the depth of my supposed Marxism is relevant to Tommy T?

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July 28, 2010 9:10 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"you chose to be obtuse...didn't you?"

Yes, you did, Drug.

As you always do.

Criminal.

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July 27, 2010 6:10 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"What a bunch of BS and the say thing is you know it,"

What a transparent and self-serving attempt to avoid responsibility for your own actions. And the sad thing is, Drug, that you *know* it.


"instead of whining about me posting Oz lyrics"

You mean instead of pointing out that you're violating copyright law and the TPM TOS? Instead of that?


"you could have attack each one of my 12 points on Tom T,"

You *made* no points. As I said in my response to that post, you're only posting your own personal unsupported opinion, without facts or evidence to support anythhing you're saying. Most people here simply don't accept your word as sufficient.


"but nooooooooooo you have to cry about me fighting back in my own way..."

I'm sorry that you can't be a law-abiding American. Most of us here have respect for the law, even if we don't always agree with it. Clearly you're not that kind of person.


"Don't you have better things to do than to whine about me posting OZ Lyrics, get a life!

I suppose a drug dealer would say the same thing to me if I were to turn *him* in, too. (eyeroll)

Don't you have better things to do than break the law and scream about it when someone calls you out on it? Grow up, Drug.


"What a snitch!"

What a whining criminal you are.

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July 27, 2010 6:17 PM    in reply to Signalman

You *made* no points. As I said in my response to that post, you're only posting your own personal unsupported opinion, without facts or evidence to support anythhing you're saying. Most people here simply don't accept your word as sufficient.

I made 12 points and most people here would not accept my links or my word under any circumstances, they don't matter and are unimportant to me. It's the ones that don't respond but know in their hearts and minds I'm correct, they are the ones that matter the most...the silent majority!

Who do you think your fooling? Not me.

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July 27, 2010 6:28 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"I made 12 points"

No, you expressed 12 opinions.


"and most people here would not accept my links or my word under any circumstances"

Good choice on their part.


"they don't matter and are unimportant to me."

Clearly not, since you spend so much time and effort here, criminal.


"It's the ones that don't respond but know in their hearts and minds I'm correct"

Those are just the voices in your head. Nobody pays attention to them but you.


"they are the ones that matter the most...the silent majority!"

Um, no. You already admitted that "most people here would not accept" your links or your word. If "most" won't accept what you have to say, then the majority here is already against you. Please try harder to keep your arguments in line; I can't always be bothered to demonstrate how you're contradicting yourself.


"Who do you think your fooling? Not me."

I don't have to fool anyone. You already have *yourself* fooled and everyone else here is already on to you.

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July 27, 2010 8:21 PM    in reply to Signalman

Those are just the voices in your head. Nobody pays attention to them but you.

What are you doctor?

Oh by the way learn how to blockquote...dope!

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July 28, 2010 8:58 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"What are you doctor?"

Maybe I am.

"Oh by the way learn how to blockquote...dope!"

Choose any response:

1) Said Drug, who can't spell or punctuate properly

2) I know how to blockquote. And I don't *have* to blockquote if I choose to post another way. Mind your own posting behavior and I'll mind my own.

3) I refuse to follow orders from criminal posters like you.

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July 27, 2010 8:25 PM    in reply to Signalman

Um, no. You already admitted that "most people here would not accept" your links or your word. If "most" won't accept what you have to say, then the majority here is already against you. Please try harder to keep your arguments in line; I can't always be bothered to demonstrate how you're contradicting yourself.

Only the majority of outspoken users who reply to me are against, me. There are many people who choose not to say anything but support me in my endeavors here, they see progressivism as I do...sedition against our republican form of government.

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July 28, 2010 9:03 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"Only the majority of outspoken users who reply to me are against, me."

No, you're lying. You clearly said that:

"most people here would not accept my links or my word under any circumstances"

"Most people here." Your words, lying criminal. If "most people here" don't accept what you say, then there is clearly no 'silent majority' that agrees with you. Learn to count, moron.


"There are many people who choose not to say anything but support me in my endeavors here, they see progressivism as I do."

No, there are not. This is simply more unsupported opinion from you. And your opinion is without value and is irrelevant.


...sedition against our republican form of government.

I'd say *you're* the seditious one, given your rants against our sitting President. Why do you hate democracy? Why do you hate America?

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July 27, 2010 8:05 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

The Silent Majority? You're Delusional.

In your mind, as expressed in the response I am posting under you have grouped TPM readers into two Categories:

1.) People who don't agree with you (at best) and hate you (at worst)
2.) People who do agree with you and are silent.

No where in your world view is there room for a third group?

3.) People who do agree with you and defend you.

Where are these people?

Oh... right. I get it. Only you have the cajones and the wisdom to stand up and speak your mind!! Only you are possessed of the truth and the integrity to stand up for it!

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July 27, 2010 6:34 PM    in reply to Signalman

"criminal", are you insane?

A criminal is some one that takes a shovel and bashes someone's brains out or refuses to pay their taxes, but "criminal"...me what nonsense.

The only crime that is being perpetrated here is what you and your seditious progressive bastard comrades have done to Eric Lach's Thread, now that's "criminal".

You should all be BANNED for ruining his thread, not me I was the only one the replied to all of his 12 points on Tom T. I'm a super blogger, what are you?

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July 27, 2010 6:43 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"criminal", are you insane?"

Nope. Perfectly serious and perfectly right. You are a criminal.


"A criminal is some one that takes a shovel and bashes someone's brains out or refuses to pay their taxes, but "criminal"..."

A criminal is someone who breaks the law. Like you have done, criminal.


"me what nonsense."

The evidence is all over this thread. You are a criminal.


"The only crime that is being perpetrated here is what you and your seditious progressive bastard comrades have done to Eric Lach's Thread, now that's "criminal".

You have violated copyright law by posting copyrighted material. If you continued to do so after being advised of your violation, that would make your violation willful, which would be a more serious violation, criminal.


"You should all be BANNED for ruining his thread"

Said the unrepentant CRIMINAL.


"not me I was the only one the replied to all of his 12 points on Tom T."

You're also the only one who violated copyright law on this thread, and you did it multiple times, CRIMINAL.


"I'm a super blogger, what are you?"

I'm a law-abiding American. You're a CRIMINAL.

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July 27, 2010 6:47 PM    in reply to Signalman

"CRIMINAL", what happen to my Miranda rights?

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July 28, 2010 9:17 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Man, you're stupid.

Miranda rights don't apply unless and until you get arrested.

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July 27, 2010 5:22 PM    in reply to Signalman

"Would you like that?", are you kidding...

I would love it, to think I would be BANNED for posting "Wizard of Oz" lyrics when so many of you progressive bastards have hounded me at TPM with the most offensive language and behavior.

It would just validate all that I have said about you seditious progressive bastards and it would make my day, if not year!

Go ahead and make my day...

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July 27, 2010 5:54 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"Would you like that?", are you kidding...

I would love it, to think I would be BANNED for posting "Wizard of Oz" lyrics when so many of you progressive bastards have hounded me at TPM with the most offensive language and behavior."

To say nothing of your own. Best check the mirror, Drug.


"It would just validate all that I have said about you seditious progressive bastards and it would make my day, if not year!

Actually, it would also validate what we've been saying about you and your conservative double standard; IOW, IOKIYAR (It's OK If You're A Republican). In this case, it's okay to break copyright law and the TPM TOS if you're a Republican like Drug.

Here's the applicable portion of the TOS that you're violating:

You agree not to use the TPM websites or the Service to:

1. upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available ("Post") any Content:

. . .

- that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights ("Rights") of any party


That about clear enough for you?


"Go ahead and make my day..."

Great! Thanks for the permission, as if I needed it . . . loser! :)

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July 27, 2010 4:03 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Dug seems to want to engage, so:

Re: "Fundamental Transformation" - even a person completely disconnected from civic life would say that 9/11 "changed everything." Our collective attitudes towards national security, Islam, the middle and far east, etc., all "transformed" after that day, and continue to evolve. There are serious arguments to be made that the two financial market crises of the past decade took root in the 9/11 attacks and the strains they placed on the financial system.

This and your other talking points are just weak. If you're going to write something that's intended to challenge this board, at least think critically about your position first.

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July 27, 2010 4:14 PM    in reply to thinkbeforespeaking

I said...

Al Queda has never come close to ‘Fundamentally Transforming’ this nation into a Islamic nation, Obama is close to accomplishing goal of transforming this nation into Socialist State and ripping to shreds’ the Constitution and this Republic.

...which does even come close to what you said I said!


Your reply has no bearing my statement or than invoking your own wildly different interpretation...your better off living in the land of oz than trying to engage the honesty of statements.

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July 27, 2010 4:17 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

correction: Your reply has no bearing my statement or than invoking your own wildly different interpretation...your better off living in the land of oz than trying to engage the honesty of statements.

should be: Your reply has no bearing my statement OTHER than invoking your own wildly VERY different interpretation...YOU ARE better off living in the land of oz than trying to engage the honesty of statements.

--OOPS SORRY!

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July 27, 2010 10:15 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

A few matters;

The "La Raza" group Sotomayor supported is NOT in favor of the so called Aztland issue. That issue was hyped by a white power backed group in CA. I know, I lived there.

Your anti-Catholicism is showing. I guess they are the "wrong type" of Christian. Again, if you got your news fro sources other than Fx or World News Daily, you would know that in MEXICO the Catholic church there is highly involved and very visible in dealing with the poverty and corrupt government officials.

The "Karate" kick kid was the major advisor for Tancredo on immigration and race. Tancredo defended the person at the time of the incident and did not move to dismiss him from his staff for some time after the issue.

In short, Tancredo would not even object to our questioning him in any respect. He is proud of his positions and does not care if we call him the misogynist he is!

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July 28, 2010 11:05 AM    in reply to DrMJG

Your opinions, are just that your opinions and I will just say for the record,"We will have to agree to disagree" and be done with it.

But you should know what a "front group organization" is and so should Sonia Sotomayor, so shame on her for belonging to a group that would have AZTLAN supporters involve in the background promoting their seditious propaganda right under the noise of "La Raza", the Race...brown race that is!

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July 27, 2010 2:48 PM   

look at dug go!

he's found the copy/paste method of trolling

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July 27, 2010 3:09 PM    in reply to NerdRage

Follow the Yellow Brick Road. Follow the Yellow Brick Road.
Follow, follow, follow, follow,
Follow the Yellow Brick Road.
Follow the Yellow Brick, Follow the Yellow Brick,
Follow the Yellow Brick Road.

We're off to see the Wizard, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.
You'll find he is a whiz of a Wiz! If ever a Wiz! there was.
If ever oh ever a Wiz! there was The Wizard of Oz is one because,
Because, because, because, because, because.
Because of the wonderful things he does.
We're off to see the Wizard. The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

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July 27, 2010 3:14 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Sorry the Wizard won't be able to help you today.... you are stuck with your existing brain, heart and courage (or more precisely, lack thereof)

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July 27, 2010 3:22 PM    in reply to spaceriqui

Are you kidding me!

"The Wizard" is going to be stuck in your head all day long.

You all will be singing tunes of the wizard of oz in head because of me...Ha - ha - ha, Ho - ho - ho - And a couple of tra - la - las and that's how I'm going to laugh the day away, knowing you all are in the Merry Old Land of Oz!

Maybe next time you all will stick the subject matter inside of personally attacking me!

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July 27, 2010 3:28 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

What? you can't take a funny unless it comes from beck's ass?

I thought the subject matter was the Wizard of Oz, at least in your head anyways.

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July 27, 2010 3:47 PM    in reply to spaceriqui

Come out, come out, wherever you are and meet the young lady,
who fell from a star.
She fell from the sky, she fell very far and Kansas, she says,
is the name of the star.
Kansas, she says, is the name of the star.
She brings you good news. Or haven't you heard?
When she fell out of Kansas
A miracle occurred.
It really was no miracle. What happened was just this.
The wind began to switch - the house to pitch and suddenly
the hinges started to unhitch.
Just then the Witch - to satisfy an itch went flying
on her broomstick, thumbing for a hitch.
And oh, what happened then was rich.
*The house began to pitch. The kitchen took a slitch.
It landed on the Wicked Witch
in the middle of a ditch,
Which was not a healthy situation for the Wicked Witch.
(* = repeated)
... Who began to twitch and was reduced to just a stitch
of what was once the Wicked Witch.

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July 27, 2010 4:27 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Nope, sorry to disappoint. The only song stuck in my head right now is YMCA by the Village People, which is usually what I sing when I meet ignorant, racist, ex-sailors like yourself.

I bet it's one of your favorites songs, being in the closet and all.

Damn, I can't get that song out of my head!

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July 27, 2010 4:36 PM    in reply to spaceriqui

Somewhere, over the rainbow, way up high.
There's a land that I heard of
Once in a lullaby.
Somewhere, over the rainbow, skies are blue.
And the dreams that you dare to dream
Really do come true.
Someday I'll wish upon a star and
wake up where the clouds are far
Behind me.
Where troubles melt like lemon drops,
Away above the chimney tops.
That's where you'll find me.
Somewhere, over the rainbow, bluebirds fly.
Birds fly over the rainbow,
Why then - oh, why can't I?
If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow,
Why, oh, why can't I?

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July 27, 2010 2:56 PM   

I mean, only a complete *moran* would suggest bombing a holy city as deterrent against terrorism. How idiotic can you be? Even a caveman would think of the repercussions. (no offense Ugg)

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July 27, 2010 3:46 PM   

if this dude wasn't a former/hopeful public official (cringe) i would just shrug and say, meh, i've heard worse from family, co-workers, passing acquaintances...
alas, what we should all know by now is that using facts and trying to make well-reasoned arguments against these people is a waste of time - see above comment thread where dug was stuck in oz. if you see shit on the sidewalk, don't stop to look at it, poke it with a stick, wonder who's gonna clean it up - will it be you? no, just keep walking. eventually the rain will wash it away, just like the passing of time will send these weirdos back under cover... hopefully...

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July 27, 2010 3:50 PM    in reply to candychicken

Ding Dong! The Witch is Dead!

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.

Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!

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July 27, 2010 6:03 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Hi Troll.

Your rampage is actually brightening my day today.

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July 27, 2010 6:06 PM    in reply to mezcalero

You are the 'Troll, you didn't even comment on the subject matter of this thread...that makes you the troll, not me!

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July 27, 2010 6:15 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

I consider myself more of a sh*t-talker than a troll.

A troll is defined as someone who does not represent the viewpoints of the website he/she posts on, yet posts flaming, provocative comments for the sake of eliciting an emotional response from regular posters. Dude... that's you! :-D

I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, I'm just saying it is what it is.

Besides, I actually complemented your trolling today. Lighten up!

Have a good day troll!

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July 27, 2010 6:21 PM    in reply to mezcalero

Well if I sound grouchy it's because I have been fighting off 3 or more seditious progressive bastards at a time...sorry

But where did you get this definition...

"A troll is defined as someone who does not represent the viewpoints of the website he/she posts on, yet posts flaming, provocative comments for the sake of eliciting an emotional response from regular posters"

...is it posted on this web site?

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July 27, 2010 6:30 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"Well if I sound grouchy it's because I have been fighting off 3 or more seditious progressive bastards at a time...sorry"

Oh, look. Obscenity from Drug.

Guess you can't complain about *that* any more, criminal.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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July 27, 2010 6:41 PM    in reply to Signalman

Hey my lackluster foe, bastard may be vulgar but it is not an 'Obscenity'...so you wrong again!

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July 27, 2010 6:46 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"Hey my lackluster foe"

Hey yourself, criminal.


"bastard may be vulgar but it is not an 'Obscenity"

Actually, if the TPM site admins say it's obscene, then it really doesn't matter what *you* think about it.


"...so you wrong again!"

Don't be so sure of yourself, CRIMINAL.

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July 27, 2010 6:52 PM    in reply to Signalman

"CRIMINAL", I want social justice, not equal justice.

I want to be let go just like the New Black Panthers in PA that were committing voter intimation. Now that was "CRIMINAL" and Obama let them go! Treat me like a member of the New Black Panther Party and I will accept the judgment of Eric Holder, without going to court that is.

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July 28, 2010 9:26 AM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"CRIMINAL", I want social justice, not equal justice."

Social justice makes conservatives cry, so you can't have any.

"I want to be let go just like the New Black Panthers in PA that were committing voter intimation."

Excellent! So since you've already convicted the New Black Panthers without a trial, I can convict *you* without one, criminal.

All posters, be advised that Drug is now a convicted criminal. He is guilty of copyright infringement.


"Now that was "CRIMINAL" and Obama let them go!"

Firstly, you are clearly unaware of the notion of prosecutorial discretion. If a prosecutor declines to file charges and no complainant insists on them, then charges are not filed. Clearly, no complainant is insisting on charges against the New Black Panthers.

Secondly, President Obama wouldn't be the individual making that call. It would be someone in the Justice Department, most likely a fairly high-ranking prosecutor.

Thirdly, if you have evidence of the New Black Panthers' guilt, then I exhort you to contact the Department of Justice and turn that evidence over immediately so that a proper prosecution can be mounted. If you do not do that, then lawbreakers might go unpunished, and I know that you want to see alll lawbreakers -- including yourself -- punished properly and in accordance with the law.


"Treat me like a member of the New Black Panther Party"

I have. I have declared you guilty without a trial, just as you have done to the New Black Panther party. And I have turned over the evidence of your crime to the TPM site admins so that they can decide what punishment is warranted. I haven't yet found the e-mail address of MGM's corporate counsel, but when I do, I'll forward them the data from this thread so they can decide if your violation warrants any sort of legal action. If you don't have a prior record, chances are they'll let you off with a stern warning as long as TPM scrubs your offending posts.


"and I will accept the judgment of Eric Holder, without going to court that is."

Eric Holder wouldn't be bringing charges against you in a civil matter like this, idiot. MGM would be bringing the civil charges. Get some education, fool.

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July 28, 2010 10:06 AM    in reply to Signalman

If you don't have a prior record, chances are they'll let you off with a stern warning as long as TPM scrubs your offending posts.

You truly are one demented soul, you really do believe in selective enforcement, rulers law and social justice. Don't you?

You want to scrub my so-called offending posts but you are willing to overlook the offenses done to me, that's selective enforcement and that's why I hate you progressives with such a passion.

If you said that Farnsworth jerk should be BANNED because of his infractions against not just me, but a series of users then you might have some creditability.

You're hoping Admin is just as selective as you are, because I already flagged the Farnsworth character over two days ago, so far no word from Admin. If they punish me for silly copyright bullshit and let that Farnsworth nutt job go unpunished for his continued harassment of me and other users then they are not objective, but selective which justifies all that I have said about sick demented progressives and their ideology. I willing to bet Admin has much better things to DO than to SUCK up to hallucinating cyber-stalkers such as you, but I could be wrong...

You still continue to follow me around on this site trashing my posts, I don't really care and I actually like reading your hallucinations about me, but it confirms you DEFINITELY are a cyber-stalker with a personality disorder and an unhealthy obsession about me. I haven't flag you to admin because I'm more tolerant than you...and I do admit I like reading your hallucinations about me, they make me chuckle with superiority over my less intelligent seditious progressive foe.

You also prove my point about progressives being so hypocritical about so-called being liberal, they are not. Just the opposite, how revealing you are!

This is my last post to you Signalman, you're going to have to live without my validation of your existence here on TPM, it will be hard for you to adjust at first, but you will move on and survive without me..maybe!

I Hate Democracy

Restore the Republic and the Constitution to its rightful place in Government

CHEERS...

GOOD NIGHT NOW!

p.s. Due to the volume of lying, emotional and hateful remarks by progressives directed at me, I will no longer reply to any post filled with personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities.

If you expect a reply from me act nicely!

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July 28, 2010 1:18 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

"You truly are one demented soul,"

You truly are a criminal.


"you really do believe in selective enforcement, rulers law and social justice. Don't you?"

Nope. Everything I've said is factual, truthful and completely supportable by evidence. You have violated copyright law and the TPM TOS. Therefore, the TPM site admins would be perfectly justified in throwing you off this site, and MGM would be perfectly justified in bringing a civil suit against you for willful violation of coyright law (which they probably won't do for a small fry like you, but that doesn't change the fact that you broke civil law with your postings).

Heartbreaker, isn't it? CRIMINAL.


"You want to scrub my so-called offending posts"

No, I want you to obey the law. And if you don't, then I want you to accept the punishment you have coming to you like a man -- not like a whining little wuss who bleats that *others* didn't get punished properly, so you should get away with it, too.

You're a pathetic excuse for a man. Strap on a pair of nuts and act your freakin' age, Drug.


"but you are willing to overlook the offenses done to me"

No. If you think offenses have been done to you, then MAN UP and do something about it. And if you're guilty of offenses done to others (which you most certainly are -- you're guilty of the same offenses you whine about others visiting upon you), then STFU until you've cleaned up YOUR act.


"that's selective enforcement"

No, that's you being too much of a wuss to do something about the offenses you claim to have suffered and wanting someone else to do the heavy lifting for you. You're a lazy, pathetic CRIMINAL.


"and that's why I hate you progressives with such a passion."

Shrug. I don't care if a criminal like you hates me. Drug dealers and murderers probably don't like me much either, but I'm not really upset about that.


"If you said that Farnsworth jerk should be BANNED because of his infractions against not just me"

If you think Farnsworth has violated the TOS, then MAN UP and report him yourself, you lazy, good-for-nothing whiner. It's not my job to report people who YOU think have violated the TPM TOS. If you think he's done it, then get off your lazy duff and report him yourself.


"but a series of users then you might have some creditability."

The word you are looking for, Drug, is "credibility." And I don't really care what a CRIMINAL like you has to say about anyone's credibility.


"You're hoping Admin is just as selective as you are"

No, actually I'm hoping that the admins take copyright violations as seriously as copyright holders like MGM usually do. Your best bet is that TPM removes your offending posts, thereby obviating any need to involve you personally in any further action.


"because I already flagged the Farnsworth character over two days ago, so far no word from Admin."

Probably because the admins know what an unbalanced and disruptive loon you are. The moon was full last night; aren't you tired from staying up all night and howling at it?


"If they punish me for silly copyright bullshit"

Uh, uh, uh. That's obscenity, Drug. You're not supposed to do that. (laughing) :D

Besides, it's not silly BS -- it's the LAW. A criminal like you probably wouldn't understand that.


"and let that Farnsworth nutt job go unpunished for his continued harassment of me and other users then they are not objective"

Irrelevant. The TPM site admins can run their site however they please, whether you like it or not. If they want to throw you off because you're conservative -- and for no other reason other than that -- then they can do so. If they want to throw *me* off because I'm wearing a blue shirt today, then they are perfectly within their rights to do so. In the TPM sandbox, the TPM rules are supreme, inasmuch as they do not conflict with any applicable laws.


"but selective which justifies all that I have said about sick demented progressives and their ideology."

You can say whatever you like. But the TPM admins aren't under any obligation to let you say it here; that's why there's a TOS -- and you violated it. If they want to throw you off now, there's not anything you can do about it.


"I willing to bet Admin has much better things to DO"

Maybe, maybe not. I guess we'll find out, won't we?


"than to SUCK up to hallucinating cyber-stalkers such as you, but I could be wrong..."

Criminals like you always get angry and threatening when their crimes are exposed for others to see. Fortunately, since I am the one exposing *your* crimes, any stalking that's taking place is quite clearly *you* stalking *me.*


"You still continue to follow me around on this site"

Uh, no. I posted on this thread *long* before you did. Clearly *you* are following *me.* And if you don't want me responding to your posts, that's really too bad, because I can post where and when and to whomsoever I please, all without your permission or approval. If you don't like it, I don't care.


"trashing my posts"

No, exposing your criminal activity.


"I don't really care and I actually like reading your hallucinations about me"

Good. Then you won't have any problem with it if I continue replying to you, since you like to read what I have to say. Criminal.


"but it confirms you DEFINITELY are a cyber-stalker with a personality disorder and an unhealthy obsession about me."

And you're a criminal, so your opinion of me is of little value. Now what?


"I haven't flag you to admin"

Go ahead and do it, criminal.


"because I'm more tolerant than you"

And because you *know* you violated the law, you *know* I'm right and you're hoping that the admins don't notice all the flagged violations you posted yesterday. You're hoping they don't throw you off TPM, so you're keeping your head down until things blow over.

Go ahead. Report me. And for what? Notifying the admins that you violated copyright law and their TOS? That's a freakin' laugh. :D


"...and I do admit I like reading your hallucinations about me"

No hallucinations here, criminal.


"they make me chuckle with superiority over my less intelligent seditious progressive foe."

At least I'm smart enough to know to not violate copyright law and the TOS of a website I enjoy participating on. You, not so much.


"You also prove my point about progressives being so hypocritical about so-called being liberal, they are not. Just the opposite, how revealing you are!"

I can't help it if you're a criminal, Drug. It's not *my* fault that you willfully broke the law several times here yesterday.


"This is my last post to you Signalman"

Fine by me. I'm going to continue to reply to you if I feel like it, and there's not a thing you can do about it.


"you're going to have to live without my validation of your existence here on TPM"

Not a problem. BTW, I'll continue to report on your lawbreaking if you continue to engage in it.


"it will be hard for you to adjust at first, but you will move on and survive without me..maybe!"

No difficulty here. I survive just fine without lawbreakers in my life.


"p.s. Due to the volume of lying, emotional and hateful remarks by progressives directed at me, I will no longer reply to any post filled with personal attacks, vulgar language or obscenities."

However, Drug reserves the right to respond with lying, emotions, hatred, personal attacks, vulgar language and obscenities. And he might break the law when he posts, too. Be sure you're aware of that before replying to him.


"If you expect a reply from me act nicely!

Just don't expect the criminal named Drug to act nicely back to you.

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July 27, 2010 6:34 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Well, I forgive you, haha.

And try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

As for not posting to the subject matter of this thread, I don't much see the point. Obviously, you're not only gonna disagree, but you're probably gonna try to lob some ad hominems at me. Hell, you're calling some of these people "seditious progressive bastards." That's not very constructive.

What's the point of commenting on an article detailing 12 instances of Tom Tancredo's assclownery? What other possible insight could I provide besides the fact that he's an assclown?

It isn't an article in regards to the subject of immigration, assimilation, xenophobia, or anything. It's just a piece detailing assclownery, and its purpose is to attract the eyeballs and comments of readers, posters, and trolls alike.

And we fell for it.

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July 27, 2010 6:43 PM    in reply to mezcalero

Fair Enough...and I hope I made your day....

GOOD NIGHT NOW!

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July 27, 2010 8:53 PM   

Some day this dirtbag will be found fellating a Mexican rentboy who's ---- oooops ---- illegally in the country.

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July 27, 2010 9:27 PM   

I don't want to get too far down the politically incorrect road here, but I've noticed something about a lot of these anti-immigration extremists: their names. The "letters to the editor" section of my local paper is always filled with anti immigrant rants by guys with names like Giuseppe Dellabaggio or Antonio DelPietracelli. I'm really not kidding. I wouldn't have brought this up to bash anyone. Is there a complex that some Italians have about their always being depicted as criminals that makes them lash out at other groups of immigrants? (For the record, I'm Irish through and through, which means that my ancestors were hated more than any other Europeans who came over here.)

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July 28, 2010 5:39 PM    in reply to Peter

I commented upthread about how weird it was that an Italian-American like Tancredo would be so worked up about dirty immigrants, when a hundred years ago, it was his people (and yours, and mine -- the Poles) who were being called dirty immigrants.

I guess Tancredo's family just assimilated better than your family or mine did, since you and I clearly have some sympathy for those who now tread the path our families did generations ago.

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July 27, 2010 10:55 PM   

Glad to hear he's entered the race. Maybe he and his crazies can split the conservative vote and keep Colorado progressive. Lovely thought.

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