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Here, There And Back Again: Sharron Angle's Circular Journey On Phasing Out Social Security


Former Nevada legislator Sharron Angle (R)

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Sharron Angle has taken a long, winding journey on Social Security -- only to end up back in the same place, at least in some respects. She started off calling for the program to be phased out, then scrambled to walk that position back, and is now kind of creeping back toward the original -- perhaps unintentionally. In many ways, Angle's motions on this big issue reflect the classic pattern of a political campaign: Go to extremes for the primary, and inch to the middle for the general election.

Back during the Republican primary, Angle famously said during a debate, "We need to phase Medicare and Social Security out in favor of something privatized," also adding: "I'm saying it [Social Security] can't be fixed, it's broken." She also said during a radio interview in May that the only room for argument was one of implementation and the timeline: "The idea of privatizing and getting out of Medicare and Social Security is not up for grabs."

Soon after Angle won the primary, the Reid campaign quickly came out with a TV ad hammering Angle on the phaseout remark, while also mentioning another damaging story: "That's Sharron Angle. First a Scientology plan to give massages to prisoners -- now she wants to get rid of Medicare and Social Security. What's next?" The Reid campaign also had another ad, playing audio of Angle boasting in the weeks before the primary: "My grandfather wouldn't even take his Social Security check because he said he was not up for welfare."

In response, Angle and her allies have changed their tune -- to say that she wants to save Social Security. In an interview with Jon Ralston at the end of June, Angle declared that she wanted to put money back into Social Security, and offer younger workers a choice of sticking with the present system or voluntarily going to a private system.

"If we are going to go to a personalized account, then there can be this choice, and many people will have this choice," said Angle. "If you've read Paul Ryan's roadmap, you know that there is a choice that gives them the bottom line, which is Social Security -- they can choose that -- or they can choose to personalize. But no matter whether they choose the personalized account of Social Security, or what we have now, the bottom line is that we can't keep raiding and pillaging like Harry Reid has been doing for years and year and years."

Also, a conservative group called Americans for New Leadership had a TV ad defending her. "Sharron Angle doesn't want to phase out Social Security," the announcer says. "She wants to phase out the way Harry Reid and Congress raid Social Security for their reckless spending." The on-screen text declared: Sharon (sic) Angle will protect Social Security."

And later on, Angle declared to a conservative convention audience: "I've never said I want to eliminate, I always said I want to save Social Security by paying back. But to do that we have to cut back." Thus her previous stance of phasing out Social Security has become one of offering an option for a private system, combined with some kind of fiscal austerity measures.

And in a recent ad, Angle has further stated her dedication to the program. "The real Social Security solutions are to stop Harry Reid from raiding the Social Security trust fund. He needs that money for his own pet projects," Angle says in the ad. "We have a contract with our seniors, who have put into Social Security in good faith. I'd like to save Social Security by locking the lockbox, putting the money back into the trust fund, so the government can no longer raid our retirements."

But suddenly, the old position is starting to surface again. As Angle told the local CBS affiliate in Las Vegas: "However, I've seen been studying, and Chile has done this." Chile's private pensions system was implemented by the right-wing military dictator Augusto Pinochet, and was not voluntary. New workers coming into the system were required to use the private system -- based around an individual mandate of compulsory contributions to private investment -- while the choice of sticking with the old public one was only offered for then-current workers up until a certain cutoff.

So there you have it. The long, winding road of Sharron Angle on Social Security -- which leads right back to the start.

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August 16, 2010 9:31 AM   

I thought individual mandates to buy privately-provided products were UNCONSTITUTIONAL, Sharron. WTF?

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August 16, 2010 9:49 AM    in reply to Matt Jones

Wel, there's a big difference between social security and health care. I mean, c'mon.

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August 16, 2010 9:51 AM   

We know what Angle is against. But is she actually FOR anything?

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August 16, 2010 10:34 AM    in reply to windowpane

Insanity, and

Authoritarianism on our borders and in our bedrooms, and

Lawless-Mob-of-Individuals-Rule . . .

(And yes two of those things are diametric opposites).

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August 16, 2010 11:16 AM    in reply to windowpane

She's certainly for 'Sharron Angle.' Anything else? Not so much.

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August 16, 2010 10:25 AM   

"My grandfather wouldn't even take his Social Security check because he said he was not up for welfare."

Well, now we know where you got your amazing powers of perception, Sharron. Next time you have a fender bender, be sure to pay for the damages entirely in cash from your own pocket. Don't let that nasty auto insurance company try and force you into accepting their handouts. And, while you're at it, ask for higher premiums, too.

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August 16, 2010 10:45 AM   

Sharron Angle is the Tea Party gift that just keeps on giving.

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August 16, 2010 11:35 AM   

If she ever takes questions outside the Fox bubble again, would someone please ask her how she would pay for the transition to privatized Social Security? The price tag was around $2 trillion when Bush was talking about it.

Also, it's been the Republicans who took the lead in "raiding and pillaging" Social Security over the past three decades, using the trust-fund surpluses to offset the cost of income-tax cuts for the wealthy.

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August 16, 2010 12:37 PM    in reply to Ann Arbor

Question for Angle outside the 'FOXNews bubble' - Do you think activist Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren should be impeached?

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August 16, 2010 2:07 PM   

Many of us did not know about Angle until progressives (Marxists) began demonizing her with the frenzy of wild dogs!

When we considered what she’s REALLY saying and WHY she’s saying it, we couldn't agree with her more. And we admire her courage to tell the truth!

Informed Americans understand that, if progressives demonize Angle, she must be great for the country.

She'll help us REPEAL the Obamacare scam that Reid forced us to swallow.

Angle is great for Nevada and the U.S.!

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August 16, 2010 2:39 PM    in reply to Antonio

you better tap dance better than that.

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August 16, 2010 7:37 PM    in reply to CajunModerate

Antonio: Informed Americans understand that, if progressives demonize Angle, she must be great for the country.

Actually, that sums up the breadth and depth of what passes for conservative thinking: if the liberals are against it, it must be good!

Hey Antonio -- liberals are against asphyxiation and anaphylactic shock, too. That doesn't mean you should stick your head in a plastic bag filled with live scorpions.

Of course, if you really, really want to ...

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August 16, 2010 4:10 PM    in reply to Antonio

Sharon Obtuse Angle Then:
"We need to phase Medicare and Social Security out in favor of something privatized," also adding: "I'm saying it [Social Security] can't be fixed, it's broken."
Now:"I'd like to save Social Security by locking the lock box"
She claims her role as Senator is not to create jobs, then blames Harry Reid for not creating jobs,
She tells pregnant rape victims they should just make "lemonade out of lemons"
She says "government is the problem" but her husband worked for,retired from, and is collecting a pension from the BLM, and she is running for a(evil)Government office.
Sharon Angle:
"Right now, we say in a traditional home one parent stays home with the children and the other provides the financial support for that family. That is the acceptable and right thing to do.”

As a working business owner, mother of four (all in college), devoted wife, and informed American, I say it is Sharon that should stay home. She will say and do anything to get herself elected to that "evil" government job.

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August 17, 2010 12:01 AM    in reply to Antonio

She'll help us REPEAL the Obamacare scam that Reid forced us to swallow.

Typical teabagger; no grasp of civics and the function of government. You DO know that the only way that they could EVER repeal that is if they elect a Republican in 2012, which isn't going to happen given the field of candidates that they're fielding right now. And by 2012 favorablility of the law will undoubtedly improve, just as it is now:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/30/AR2010063000438.html

Even if they did pass legislation after this election and it went to the president's desk, he'd just veto it and we would all watch it die as the GOP scrambled to get the veto-proof vote. But keep on wishing man, a guy's gotta have a dream, right?

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August 16, 2010 2:10 PM   

Angle is right on Social Security, a government-run Ponzi scheme.

Social Security benefits are paid with borrowed money or, rather, with money stolen from future generations.

The money our seniors put in Social Security was spent by the government long ago. We must stop the government from stealing from our children and grandchildren!

The money taken from us for social security would be much safer and productive in our hands, invested how WE see fit.

Another reason to vote for Angle!

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August 16, 2010 3:18 PM    in reply to Antonio

Sailor-boy, is that you?

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August 16, 2010 3:30 PM    in reply to Antonio

And when YOUR investments disappear into thin air in the next crash, will you be first in line to have the Government make is all better? Or will you take it like the free American you say you are?

I'll wait.

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August 23, 2010 11:48 AM   

There is nothing wrong with wanting to phase out Social Security. Given a choice, you'll have to be crazy to want to participate in Social Security. You are better off putting your money in a CD. Not only will you get a better return on investment, you also get more "security". At least the money is there, the money is yours, they cannot reduce your benefits, they cannot force an increase your contributions and it is insured to $200,000 under FDIC. With Social Security, you are paying the government, they immediately spend the money and they promise you that future generations of SSI payees will pay for your retirement. It is a ponzi scheme and it is unsustainable unless you have an ever growing number of new participants or if the contributions are ever increasing. If SSI is a private instrument of pension or investment, its creators and administrators would all be in jail! But, because it is a government program, we are instead compelling everyone -- under the threat of imprisonment and asset seizure -- to participate in this act of mass fraud.

Social Security provides no security. In fact, it is one of the biggest public policy mistake in American history (second only to Medicare) and a time bomb that threatens to collapse the USA from within. It provides no security because there is no money in the trust fund and the promised benefits cannot be paid in the future at the current tax rate and with the projected number of new participants. It threatens to collapse the USA (or at least the US Dollar) because it is a $18 trillion hole -- 1.4 times our GDP -- which if paid for through the printing of currency will turn us into the Weimar Republic.

The problem with Social Security is not whether we need to phase it out, but how. Afterall, there are millions of retirees and working Americans who have made decades of contributions into it and to whom we have made promises. None of these people want to see their promised benefits evaporate. On the other hand, we do not have $18 trillion to pay everyone off by giving a refund of the lifetime contributions into SSI back in one lump sum payment to all. There is no solution to the Social Security problem that isn't horrendously ugly. At the end of the day, we'll probably have to reduce the benefits, increase the collection age and increase the tax burden. The only question is whether we also do the right thing in the process and gradually phase it out such that future generations are not being forced into a ponzi scheme and taxed into oblivion.

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