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Influential Mosque Opponent Promotes Religious Freedom Abroad For U.S. Government


A protest against the 'Ground Zero Mosque' and Dr. Richard Land, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, inset.

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As president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, Dr. Richard Land is an influential opponent of the Cordoba House project in New York. But when he's not speaking on behalf of one of the most powerful religious bodies in the country, Land has a second -- some would say ironic -- ecumenical role: member of the federally created United States Commission on International Religious Freedom.

In his role as a commissioner, Land's job is to press for a U.S. foreign policy that advances religious freedoms around the world. Reached by phone today, Land maintained that there is no contradiction between his service on the Commission and his efforts to see the Cordoba House Islamic cultural center project moved farther north in Manhattan.

"Our role is to make recommendations both to the executive branch and to the legislative branch on ways in which our government policies can be used to promote religious freedom overseas," Land said. "I see absolutely no tension whatsoever. We are forbidden by statute from addressing any domestic religious freedom issue."

Furthermore, Land says, religious people in many foreign countries -- the countries the commission is most concerned with -- suffer far greater opposition than do the sponsors and supporters of the Cordoba House project. "They would envy and relish the opportunity to have the peaceful debate over the mosque in the near vicinity of Ground Zero," he says.

Land insists that his opposition to the Cordoba House project is principled -- that he would and has opposed similar efforts when they upset local populations.

"There is a Japanese Shinto shine, I am told, blocks from the USS Arizona," Land said. "That isn't appropriate even 60 years later. Three-thousand Americans died there and they died at the hands of people acitng on behalf of the Japanese Empire."

There isn't, in fact, a Shinto shrine near Pearl Harbor, though many conservatives use this hypothetical as an example of a non-Muslim shrine they'd oppose for similar reasons. Rush Limbaugh used the same example, though he mistakenly referred to it as a "Hindu temple."

Likewise, Land said, "I agreed with the Pope's decision to overrule the Carmelite nuns when they wanted to build a convent immediately adjacent to Auschwitz."

Carmelite nuns did once open a convent just outside Auschwitz, in a building formerly used by the Nazis, over Jewish protests. Eventually religious groups reached an agreement whereby the nuns would move, but that didn't happen for several years -- and not until Pope John Paul II weighed in, in advance of a visit to the concentration camp. Other conservatives have likewise cited this episode as a precedent for their opposition to the Cordoba House project.

"It was good manners. It was good taste," Land said.

Land said he's not worried in the slightest that his position on Cordoba House might come back to haunt him in the future if a church he supports runs into local opposition, and argued that the principles supporting his opposition to the project cut both ways.

"I think that interfaith cooperation is greatly enhanced by doing unto others as you would have them do unto you and that involves being sensitive to other people's feelings, and engaging in what my mother would call 'good manners,'" Land insisted. "For nine years now we've had a lot of calls for American people who are not Muslms to be sensitive to concerns of American Muslims and not in any way make them feel like they're not wanted. I think that America has done a pretty good job of responding to that [and] I think now is the time for Muslim Americans to be sensitive to the concerns of their fellow Americans."

What's a good remedy? Echoing one of the earliest and fiercest opponents of the Cordoba House project, Pamela Geller, Land said the Mosque Exclusion Zone need only extend a few hundred feet. "My position on the Mosque is that they should move it two or three blocks further north."

For the time being, developers are adamant that they'll build the cultural center at their preferred location -- which they currently own -- two blocks north of where the World Trade Center used to stand. If they don't budge, Land says, opponents will have two levers to pull.

"One of the wonderful things about America is if we don't like what our elected officials do, we can show our opposition [during the next election]," Land said. "I can tell you that New Yorkers...New Yorkers tell me it'll never get built in that location, because the construction workers will not cross the picket lines to do it, that the unions will not cross the picket lines to let it be built."

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August 18, 2010 5:18 PM   

Land is the second person who I've heard mention that Shinto houses of worship near Pearl Harbor are inappropriate. I fail to see why. It is true that Japan has failed to fully live up to its errors during WWII, as Germany has. However, there are numerous Japanese Americans living on Hawaii who should have the right to exercise their freedom of religion. And WWII ended over 50 years ago. Why are conservatives always fighting the last war?

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August 18, 2010 5:43 PM    in reply to Weiwen

The only thing we're nuking this time is their freedoms.

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August 19, 2010 2:20 AM    in reply to Weiwen

Land should be protesting synagogues (not that I recommend that; I don't). Mossad was the contractor for the controlled demolitions of the three World Trade towers on 911. The sooner America gets it head out of it's butt, looks at the evidence pouring forth and demands a REAL investigation, the sooner we can move on to a more reasonable and sane foreign policy. It will take decades perhaps for America to realize the extent of Cheney's evil and that of his cabal of Straussians (Neocons).

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August 19, 2010 10:54 AM    in reply to Weiwen

And there is a Shinto shrine just outside Pearl Harbor, and it's been there for years.

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August 18, 2010 5:25 PM   

THEY are not upsetting the locals, you moron!

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August 19, 2010 8:56 AM    in reply to Nutter

What an intelligent post. Your mama would be proud.

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August 18, 2010 5:45 PM   

This is more like building a Buddhist temple near Pearl Harbor. Some Japanese are Buddhist just as some Muslims are Sufi. The Buddhist Japanese keep some Shinto attitudes, just as the Sufi Middle Easterners keep some Muslim attitudes. But both the Buddhists and Sufis are the more peaceful ones.

This is like a Arab complaining about a Unitarian church someplace where the Crusaders had attacked once. It's total paranoia about who your enemies are.

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August 18, 2010 6:41 PM    in reply to wyt

NO! and NO!

This is more like building a huge community center with swimming pools, and gyms, and basketball courts, and contains a small section for the Buddhists to pray...

Its ridiculous how far the "liberal" media (including TPM has carried the Republican messaging on this one.

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August 18, 2010 7:54 PM    in reply to addicted

True, but Mosque is so much easier to say than Multi purpose community center with a gym, auditorium, restaurant and prayer room.

And it gets to the heart of the issue. If we can defeat the haters on a "mosque", then we can defeat them on the community center.

Also, I agree that the Sufi sect (that Imam Rauf belongs to) is the more peaceful one. I think too many people view Islam as a monolith rather than a collection of sects.

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August 19, 2010 2:29 AM    in reply to wyt

No, this is more like building a Baptist Church at the grave site of John F. Kennedy. LBJ was a Baptist, you know? Who knows what Nixon was -- he claimed to be Quaker. LOL! Dulles claimed to be Presbyterian. Angleton claimed to be sane. Richard Helms and David Atlee Phillips claimed to be a patriots and Hoover claimed to be straight. Perhaps even more funny is that Richard Land claims to be Christian.

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August 19, 2010 8:48 AM    in reply to BaileyWu

LBJ was a member of the DIsciples of Christ. He wasn't Baptist...

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August 18, 2010 5:45 PM   

"Christians" are making me sick to my stomach. I wonder when the meaning of the word changed?

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August 18, 2010 6:13 PM    in reply to Andreams

Someone suggested that we prohibit the building of Catholic churches next to elementary schools.

I doubt that that would happen but it is a better example of the current canards.

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August 18, 2010 8:49 PM    in reply to lbarnett

as often is the case, that brilliant line came from Jon Stewart.

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August 19, 2010 9:41 AM    in reply to rynato

from Jamie Oliver, actually. Go England!

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August 19, 2010 9:55 AM    in reply to rynato

And Jon is right. All Christians are pedophiles, of course. Everyone who claims to worship Christ is identical. Exactly like all Muslims are terrorists.

It's language. Give two individuals the same label and the two individuals become identical. Assign that same label to a third individual and the third individual becomes another individual identical to the first.

Welcome to propaganda 101. There's an election coming and the conservative Republicans are a failed party. Got to change the subject and throw up a smoke screen of emotional irrelevancies. Bush and Cheney no longer exist, but all Muslims world wide are Osama bin Laden.

Be afraid. Don't think. Vote Republican.

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August 19, 2010 2:37 AM    in reply to Andreams

When they began to deny the teaching of Jesus on active non-violent resistance to evil, they became Zealots, the militant "Fourth Party" that led the failed insurrection against Roman occupation and the people who betrayed Jesus as a false messiah because he refused to lead them and their assassins, the Sacari. Of course, the "Christian" Eric Prince did not fail them. Praise be to the blood thirsty messiah of their nationalists delusions.

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August 18, 2010 5:53 PM   

There are several Christian churches in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Should they leave?

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August 19, 2010 9:22 AM    in reply to kevin

Of course the US nuked the biggest Catholic church in Japan in Nagasaki:

French Catholics built the Oura Catholic Church, facing Nishizaka Hill. It is officially known as the Cathedral of the Martyrdom of the 26 Saints of Japan.
Nearby, a large group relief sculpture memorializes the martyrs. When the last restrictions on Christianity were lifted in 1895, Catholics built the larger red-brick Urakami Cathedral, completed in 1914.

The Catholic place of worship was directly under the 2nd atomic bomb and was totally destroyed.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-261143--.html

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August 18, 2010 5:58 PM   

American conservatism = Christian fascism

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August 18, 2010 6:45 PM    in reply to Ironcomments

Okay, we get the freakin' point; you don't have to spam every thread (you're preaching to the choir, after all). If you don't have anything more productive to say, just fuck off.

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August 18, 2010 7:13 PM    in reply to midnight rambler

Yawn

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August 18, 2010 6:00 PM   

This is the ultimate hypocrisy of the party of small government. They're arguing that we should be able to regulate property based on people's emotions.

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August 18, 2010 6:09 PM   

I also love that all of these people are talking about "sensitivity," "good manners" and "good taste." These all sound like arguments for not having prayer in school.

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August 19, 2010 9:54 AM    in reply to Thornhill

Amen. LOL.

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August 18, 2010 6:30 PM   

"I think that interfaith cooperation is greatly enhanced by doing unto others as you would have them do unto you and that involves being sensitive to other people's feelings, and engaging in what my mother would call 'good manners.'

It isn't good manners but good, intolerant bigots who purposefully or ignorantly fail to see the world's 2nd largest religion in its nuances and complexities.

Only those who can't differentiate between al-Qaeda terrorists and regular Islam/Muslim would oppose the mosque including have their emotions exploited by the trio witches in the mold of Liz Cheney/Sarah Palin/Pam Gellar.

Caving into their anti-Muslim intolerance and visceral fear of all Muslims, would mean more protests and the tyranny of the majority.

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August 18, 2010 6:31 PM   

Wait! This guy's a Baptist?

I protest his very right to comment on religious tolerance, considering what his fellow Baptists from the Westboro Baptist church do at veterans' funerals.

I am shocked the MSM isn't picking up on this!

How I wish I could afford to go and actually protest a baptist church being built near a VA cemetary. I'd pay people to come help me. We'd hold up signs that would say "We refuse to understand enough about your religion to know why this protest makes us look like idiots." or "Don't even try to explain the difference between the mainstream Baptist church and the WBC!"

Anyone else want to come along?

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August 19, 2010 3:42 PM    in reply to Terry

I'm so there with you, Terry. Your idea is brilliant and long overdue. And it would not at all surprise me that Richard Land's idea of promoting freedom of religion overseas is to exclusively promote his own brand of evangelical christianism.

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August 21, 2010 5:17 AM    in reply to Terry

Thank you. I've been sending letters all over the place, almost ad nauseam, pointing out that those "Christian" Baptists from Topeka, KS, who demonstrate at the grave sites of fallen US soldiers, claiming they died as punishment from God for tolerance of homosexuals in the US, out-Herod Herod in terms of insensitivity and inappropriateness. A federal judge just struck down laws passed in Missouri banning their disgraceful behavior on the basis of freedom of speech. We have to accept the fact that legal rights and personal feelings are not equivalent bases for determining when and how anything is done.

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August 18, 2010 6:33 PM   

(shrug) Fuck that bigot. And all who support Muslim-free zones.

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August 18, 2010 6:50 PM   

There isn't, in fact, a Shinto shrine near Pearl Harbor
Technically true, but there is, in fact, a Japanese Buddhist temple practically on the shores of Pearl Harbor. It's even called a mission! They're trying to convert us to their evil ways!

Anyway, Hongwanji is about as similar to Shintoism as Rauf's Sufism is to al-Qaeda, so it's very appropriate.

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August 18, 2010 6:52 PM   

"Our role is to make recommendations...to promote religious freedom overseas," Land said. "I see absolutely no tension whatsoever. We are forbidden by statute from addressing any domestic religious freedom issue."
IOW - since I'm so good at cognitive dissonance due to being a literalist Christian, I have no problem promoting religious freedom in other countries while opposing it here.

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August 18, 2010 7:05 PM   

The Golden Rule is a bitch.

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August 18, 2010 7:16 PM   

religious freedom = the right of Christians to impose their beliefs on everyone else....

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August 18, 2010 7:46 PM   

Christianity:

--If you don't believe you will go to hell.
--Inquisition.
--Crusades.
--Part of the intellectual basis for the Holocaust.
--Christian nation is the same thinking as Sharia nation.
--Prevented synagogues from being constructed a generation ago, much like they are against mosques.
--Responsible for millions of deaths through the centuries.
--Bigots like Richard Land, Franklin Graham, and the whole Republican/Tea Party.

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August 18, 2010 10:06 PM    in reply to latichever

Painting "Christians" with such a clumsy large brush is not much more subtle than what the paranoids on the right do.

There are many many of us Christians who abhor as much as you do the bigotry and paranoia of people like Land. Humanity is a bit more subtle than you're implying.


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August 18, 2010 10:49 PM    in reply to Glen

Of course, a big part of the issue is that most good religious people, Christian, Muslim, or whatever (and I'm aware the the majority are good, or at least no worse than non-religious people), are good because they ignore the prescriptions of their holy books, not because they follow them. The assholes are the ones who take the craziness to heart and follow it for real. Claiming that Land (and bin Laden, etc.) are abhorrent and misrepresenting their respective religions when they're following direct commands from God is admitting the whacky contradictions that make it all a load of BS.

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August 18, 2010 8:23 PM   

It confusing times like these, I like to turn to Geometry for answers:

Al-Aaeda = SQUARE (for sure)
Islam = Rectangle

While all squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are squares, and: PRESTO-CHANGE-O! I can disassociate those evil-pallin-around-terrorists from the broader Islamic faith.

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August 18, 2010 9:15 PM   

When myth becomes "truth", you have organized religion.
Those that believe that their religion is the only truth or path to God constitute the most dangerous threat to mankind that exists on the planet IMO.
That danger is enabled not because they believe in God, but rather, what they believe about God.
They believe God is petty, angry, condemning, you name it. Essentially all the things "wrong" with man, they project on to God.
Then, because God acts that way, their own intolerance and violence is justified.

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August 19, 2010 8:55 AM    in reply to TIMMY

god didn't make us in her immage and likeness, we made him in our immage and likeness

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August 18, 2010 11:29 PM   

Once again, we Americans are showing how dysfunctional and immature we are. We just can't seem to handle any emotional stress at all. We seem to be permanently delicate. we show an amazing inability to adjust. We cling to childish bitterness. We seem to think we are special and exempt from tragedy or misery. Why? We don't deserve such an exalted place in the universe. As a nation, we've done terrible things, along with generous and good things. Like every other nation.

A group of terrorists was able to pull off a horrific attack in Manhattan. We responded with two wars in two countries. We've had our revenge. It's time to get on with life. Do we really believe that if the Muslim mosque was abandoned, we would at last feel better, that we would then move forward, that we would be a happier and healthier and more balanced nation?

If America is such a great and awesome country, blessed by God and endowed with wisdom and grace, it seems to me that it can overcome any outrage. We need to grow up and be the country we say we are. Ask the wounded warriors back from multiple deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan if staying full of anger and revenge and hatred toward the ones who wounded them is helping them in their recovery. The first step in healing is always forgiveness. We should try it.


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August 19, 2010 1:17 AM   

These haters are all the same. Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association Wants to Deport American Muslims. Why, because he says that Islam is a religion of hate and Christianity is pure. That Jesus was the “Prince of Peace.” (I guess Fischer never heard about the Crusades. We know that Cheney did because he instituted means of “enhanced interrogation” which were used during the Crusades which were then referred to as torture.)


http://suspiciouspackaging.blogspot.com/2010/08/religious-intolerance-intolerance-of.html

America was founded on the concept of Freedom of Religion. If you are a Christian you should stand up for the rights of religious Muslims to build their own house of worship. Freedom only works if we are all free. Don't let hate and fear win out.

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August 19, 2010 7:51 AM    in reply to simplygeorge

Jizya tax

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August 19, 2010 1:43 AM   

RE: "the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission"
MY COMMENT: A bit of an oxymoron, I'd say!

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August 19, 2010 7:49 AM    in reply to DICKERSON3870

Southern Baptists think freedom of religion means you can choose First Baptist or Second Baptist.

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August 19, 2010 7:51 AM    in reply to DICKERSON3870

Some kind of moron, certainly.

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August 19, 2010 7:47 AM   

So he is basically saying that the proposed construction is not politically correct? That's a switch. ROFL

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August 19, 2010 8:46 AM   

SO, Mr. Land is on the Faith Based Gravy Train. My tax dollars are going into this bigot's pocket. That is beyond disgusting.

It's time to terminate this so-called "commission".

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August 19, 2010 9:04 AM   

Being a Mosque opponent is not a leap for Dr. Land. Narrow minded mean spirited Southern Baptist (99.9%) don’t believe Islam is a religion.

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August 19, 2010 9:19 AM   

I am not taking much of a risk in assuming that Bush appointed him to that Government job.
By the way, from my reading of history the First Amendment, which this guyis trouncing, was see as necessary to protect this guys denomination, the Baptists, from the dominant denomination of the time, the Presbyterians.

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August 19, 2010 9:26 AM   

Mosque Opponent Promotes Religious Freedom Abroad?

Good god is there no line these idiots won't cross?

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August 19, 2010 9:26 AM   

They hate us for our stupidity.

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August 19, 2010 11:09 AM   

This is where one has to take a stand for the First Amendment, even if the majority of people oppose you. The majority is not always right, and the First Amendment was not intended to protect those with popular ideas, but unpopular ones.

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August 19, 2010 11:53 AM   

Damned straight.

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August 19, 2010 3:12 PM   

Is it any wonder this "Christian" was appointed by Mitch McConnell? http://www.uscirf.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=214&Itemid=41

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August 19, 2010 9:05 PM   

So now a wingnut is invoking the sanctity of the picket line?

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