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The number of Americans who say President Obama is a Muslim has nearly doubled since March 2009, according to a new poll from Pew out today. The poll finds that 18% of Americans say the president -- who, it should be said for the record, is a practicing Christian -- is a Muslim. That's up from 11% who said the same thing in March of last year.
At the same time, a new poll from Time magazine shows a widespread distrust of Islam among Americans, and an overwhelming opposition to the Cordoba House project in Manhattan. The Time poll also found that 24% of Americans say Obama is a Muslim.
No group is more convinced of the president's Muslim faith than conservative Republicans. The Pew poll found 34% of them say Obama is a Muslim, which is an increase from 18% in the March 2009 survey. The number is not that much different from Republicans overall -- 31% of all Republicans surveyed by Pew said Obama practices Islam, and 24% of "moderate and liberal" members of the GOP said the same thing.
But the mistaken view of Obama's faith is up among Democrats, too. Ten percent of Democrats surveyed said Obama is a Muslim, up from 7% in March 2009. The breakdown of those numbers: 12 percent of "conservative and moderate" Democrats say Obama is Muslim (up from 9% last year) and 6% of liberal Democrats do (up from 5%).
The number of Independents who say Obama is a Muslim has also nearly doubled. Back in March, 2009, 10% of Independents had the view; today the number is 18%.
The Pew poll finds that the less you like Obama, the more you're likely to call him a Muslim. "The view that Obama is a Muslim is highest among his political opponents," the pollster writes. "31% of Republicans and 30% of those who disapprove of his job performance express this view."
It's worth noting that the Pew poll was taken before Obama's recent remarks about the Cordoba House project -- and even before the issue had come to dominate the national debate. Pew surveyed 3,003 Americans from July 21 to Aug. 5. The margin of error on the poll is 2.5%.
Perhaps not surprisingly, the rise in belief that Obama is a Muslim in the Pew poll comes with a general rise in confusion about Obama's faith overall. The poll found that 43% of the total sample said they "don't know" what Obama's religion is, which is up from 34% who had the same response in March of last year.
Again, Republicans are the most confused. Thirty-nine percent of those sampled said they don't know what Obama's faith is, which is an increase from 28% last year. Interestingly, the biggest jump came among moderate and liberal Republicans -- in March '09, 25% said they didn't know what religion Obama practiced. Now, 44% can't name his faith.
That number is in line with the number of independents who say that can't identify Obama's faith. Thirty-eight percent said last year that they didn't know what religion Obama practiced -- now, 44% say the same thing.
Democrats are similarly confused. Forty-one percent of them said they didn't know what religion Obama is, compared to 32% last year.
As noted, the rising view that Obama is a Muslim seems to be separate from the public frustration over the plan to build a Islamic cultural center in lower Manhattan. But the new Time poll, taken in the midst of the debate over Cordoba, shows a reticence toward Islam among Americans.
From Time:
Twenty-eight percent of voters do not believe Muslims should be eligible to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court. Nearly one third of the country thinks adherents of Islam should be barred from running for President -- slightly higher than the 24% who mistakenly believe that the current occupant of the Oval Office is himself a Muslim.
As shown in the Pew poll, many Americans can't name Obama's faith one way or the other -- less than half, 47%, of respondents to the Time poll said Obama was a Christian.
As for the Cordoba House project, opposition remains very high among the American public. Sixty-one percent of respondents to the poll said they oppose building the cultural center, and "more than 70%" said they agree with the argument that building it "would be an insult to the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center.
Time surveyed 1,002 Americans Aug. 16-17.
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Marquis de SeaToShiningSea
August 19, 2010 9:16 AM
I didn't know that they practiced Islam on Alpha Centauri.
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kash79
August 19, 2010 11:33 AM in reply to Marquis de SeaToShiningSea
Sorry to cut to the top. But your front page picture is obnoxious and amateur. Just because the story is about a poll where 18% believe Obama is a Muslim, doesn't mean you showcase a photoshopped picture of Obama with Bin Laden.
Does the survey also show 18% believe Obama is a buddy of Bin Laden, or is it your editorial judgement that being a Muslim automatically qualifies a person as a friend of Bin Laden?
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condew
August 19, 2010 1:25 PM in reply to kash79
I agree, the picture on TPM's front page is offensive.
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August 19, 2010 3:23 PM in reply to condew
The only difference between Obama and Osama is a little BS LOLZ
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August 19, 2010 5:01 PM in reply to Brian
Cerebral humor... co-o-o-l
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davidfarrar
August 20, 2010 8:39 AM in reply to Brian
Many of truths have been told in jest.
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dudeguy
August 19, 2010 4:57 PM in reply to kash79
Yes. Because this is the discussion we should be having.
Eye on the ball, commenters. Eye on the ball.
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mJJ
August 19, 2010 5:14 PM in reply to kash79
The entire question is loaded with racism and religious bigotry. Amazing thast any self respecting Republican could stoop to this all time low of racial and religious bigotry. I find it amazing that for weeks during the campaign, Republicans ranted about Obama's minister, Rev. Wright. Either they were liars at the time or they are now because they know good and well that Obama is a Christian. I have a group of friends online who met this morning and we will be leaving the Republican Party. We have been disgusted with their racist views all the while beating their chests about their Godliness. Well, this disgusting episode finishes us off. We are out of this hate filled group. Go to any precinct meeting and get an earfull of the most disgusting rhetoric. One of my friends has a recording of the hate filled tirades.
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SEAL76
August 19, 2010 9:00 PM in reply to mJJ
The kind of rhetoric that Reverend Wright preached and Obama heard has no place in a Christian church. What he said is not anything like the Christianity that I have heard of or practiced. Hate filled preaching is for Nazis, KKK members, Communists, racists and all of those other nutjobs. Any "Christian" who would sit in a church and listen to a man like Reverend Wright spew that kind of anti white nonsense should have immediately got out of his/her seat and left that Church. If my minister spoke like that about America or blacks I would leave and ask that he be removed at the next Trustees meeting.
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badguest
August 19, 2010 11:55 PM in reply to SEAL76
What things exactly by Rev. Wright? The Fox broadcasts over and over of the same thoughts as Ron Paul?
Please, Rev. Wright is no better or worse than any other evangelical in the pulpit. Keep sliding those standards though -- just like Palin !
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 11:41 AM in reply to Marquis de SeaToShiningSea
As far as I am concerned, and in view of Obama's own acknowledged Muslim pass, he is a Muslim until he produces evidence he is not.
In this case, again, in view of his own admitted background, baptismal records or letters of acceptance into a Christian church would be prima facie evidence. But to my knowledge there has never been any such evidence published by Obama.
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kash79
August 19, 2010 11:45 AM in reply to davidfarrar
I'm sure you idiots would ask Jesus to take a paternity test, if it turns out he is black.
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 11:49 AM in reply to kash79
Well, that would be evidence.
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kash79
August 19, 2010 11:54 AM in reply to davidfarrar
No that would be because he's black. If Jesus is White, it wouldn't cross your mind to question Jesus' legitimacy even if Mary was a sex worker by profession.
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Powkat
August 19, 2010 3:54 PM in reply to kash79
Don't tell him Jesus was Jewish - his head will explode
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donquijoterocket
August 19, 2010 5:13 PM in reply to Powkat
Jewish and probably looked a lot more like Yasser Arafat than those SS recruiting poster portrayals.
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 5:12 PM in reply to kash79
You have yet to add anything substantive to my post, so you have simply decided to read my mind. Remarkable.
I can remember when Republicans were in power and accused Democrats of being absolutely diabolical in their ability to create ferment and mistrust in the minds of the voters. We never really once looked at ourselves and our own actions as the true source.
Well, there is only one person who is responsible for 18% of the electorate believing Obama is a Muslim, and that is Obama, himself. If there wasn't a spark of truth to it, it would have died down long ago, with or without Republican cheerleading.
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expat46
August 19, 2010 6:01 PM in reply to davidfarrar
Let me get this straight, not only do you want Obama to prove that he's a US citizen but now you also want him to prove that he's a Christian?
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 6:13 PM in reply to expat46
Me? Naw. I am doing just fine.
It's you guys who are faced with the problem of Obama's blank slate history and are wondering why the Wisdom of the Crowd is filling in the blanks incorrectly.
But now that you mention it, that would be a good place for Obama to start filling in the blanks, produce his original long-form birth certificate, and throw in a baptismal letter as well. Of course, it being so late in the game, all documents supplied by Obama would have to go through an independent, recorded and published forensic authentication process before general acceptance by the public could be expected. However, if these minimal steps were taken, I would expect the numbers believing he wasn't born here and is a Muslim would start to go down, irrespective of any right wing mischief-making to the contrary.
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expat46
August 19, 2010 6:40 PM in reply to davidfarrar
But now that you mention it, that would be a good place for Obama to start filling in the blanks, produce his original long-form birth certificate, and throw in a baptismal letter as well. Of course, it being so late in the game, all documents supplied by Obama would have to go through an independent, recorded and published forensic authentication process before general acceptance by the public could be expected. However, if these minimal steps were taken, I would expect the numbers believing he wasn't born here and is a Muslim would start to go down, irrespective of any right wing mischief-making to the contrary.
Boy, that seems like an awful lot of trouble. Why don't we just vote on it instead. Oh wait, we already did that. hahaha
Eighteen percent..that's it? Eighteen lousy percent, that's not even as high as Bush's popularity ratings. I think you have some more work to do.
It is you guys that are faced with a problem, it's called elections results. Look into it.
btw - it looks like your hero Lt. Col. Lakin is going to be breaking rocks at fort leavenworth for about five years. He may get out in time to vote in 2016. I hope it was worth it.
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 9:16 PM in reply to expat46
18% and growing!
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 9:27 PM in reply to expat46
Moreover,
You think it hard to produce an authentic birth certificate and a baptismal document? Interesting.
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GnomeChompsky
August 19, 2010 9:48 PM in reply to davidfarrar
yes, it is difficult to provide a long-form birth certificate. States do not allow people to take them because they are stored permanently so as not to lose the document. That's why people get short-form ones, which he has released.
Regarding the baptismal record:
He is a Christian. Do you remember republicans railing about his "racist" christian pastor during the campaign? And either way, why does his religion matter to you?
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davidfarrar
August 20, 2010 8:37 AM in reply to GnomeChompsky
Matters to me...it doesn't. As the poll indicates, the number of people who believe Obama is a Muslim is increasing. According to the meme of the MSM, it matters to the Obama administration, a supposition you are correct in calling into question.
As far as getting Obama's orginal long-form birth certificate out of the steely hands of an Hawaiian Health Department bureaucrat, all it would take is his permission, according to them.
As far as getting his baptism records, I am sure all he would have to do is ask.
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davidfarrar
August 20, 2010 8:50 AM in reply to davidfarrar
That's 18% of Independents, and growing.
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Ugg the Repug
August 19, 2010 7:20 PM in reply to expat46
This not about Obama. This about American ignoramous population. See above. Har har har.
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davidfarrar
August 20, 2010 8:48 AM in reply to Ugg the Repug
You may be willing to write off the entire American population as being ignorant, but I am not.
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Ugg the Repug
August 20, 2010 9:09 AM in reply to davidfarrar
Har har har. Good for you. Not to fret. It's only a quarter. Same number think earth only 6,000 years old. Ugg took nap that long! Har har har.
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Spyder308
August 20, 2010 8:59 AM in reply to davidfarrar
That is because there is nothing substantive in you post other than you are a racist.
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new10
August 19, 2010 11:58 AM in reply to davidfarrar
You really are a terrified little coward. Bigotry, lies, and cowardice - yup, you're a right-winger.
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ohyeathatsright
August 19, 2010 12:39 PM in reply to davidfarrar
A "letter of acceptance" to a Christian church? How un-Christian.
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braveomatic
August 19, 2010 12:48 PM in reply to ohyeathatsright
I didn't know that churches sent out acceptance letters. Do Christians usually have a "safety" religion in case their first choice turns them down?
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slb
August 19, 2010 5:48 PM in reply to braveomatic
I don't know that they send them out; there are records kept when people transfer membership from one church to another.
But geez, even if there are letters sent out, how many people actually hang on to stuff like that? Not me, certainly, and I have had occasion to change memberships a couple of times along the way.
But here's the thing: you don't have to be a church member to consider yourself a Christian.
Do I have a baptismal certificate. I imagine my mother might have pasted one in my baby book. But where is that baby book now? I really don't know. Maybe in my mother's attic somewhere; maybe it's just been lost.
Heaven help my youngest brother, who I think never actually had a baby book.
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howie911
August 19, 2010 12:56 PM in reply to davidfarrar
As far as I am concerned, you're dumb fucking stupid, until you produce evidence you're not.
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AJM
August 19, 2010 1:12 PM in reply to howie911
Stop asking for the impossible.
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fjasyr
August 19, 2010 2:33 PM in reply to davidfarrar
I find it very distressing that there are so many people like you who have never read the Constitution of the United State and fail to defend its principles. I am very proud that our President took the time to affirm his oath of office in the midst of the controversy over building a mosque within the shadows of other buildings that surround “Ground Zero” He has defended one of our most precious freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution of the United State. You may challenge the motives behind the selection of the site for the mosque. However, regardless of motive, the First Amendment is very specific in protecting the free exercise” of religion and certainly building a church, a synagogue, a mosque, or a temple is to “exercise” one’s faith.
Religion has nothing to do with citizenship or the right to hold public office. Unfortunately there is a chorus line of members of Congress and political leaders, at all levels of public service, who are ignoring their own oath of office and turning this into a political issue. Not only the First Amendment, but also Article VI of the Constitution recognizes the importance of defending religious freedom by stating that all government leaders “both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” ,
It would seem that the political drum beaters are gaining public support for shredding our Constitution rather than defending it. They are recklessly using its introductory phrase, “We the people”, failing to mention the words that follow: “in order to form a more perfect Union.” For decades our nation’s motto has been “E Pluribus Unum” (“from many one”), to remind us that the initial confederation of 13 individual state governments didn’t work very well. Let’s not forget that today’s document with all its amendments has already been debated and ratified in the halls of Congress and state legislatures.
During this ensuing heated election season, one of the first questions we must ask every person running for public office, “Are you prepared to swear that you will defend the Constitution of the United State, without equivocation or reservation?”
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 5:22 PM in reply to fjasyr
I have never questioned the Corboba House's legal right to build their mosque where they desire. I have, however, questioned the wisdom of their choice.
As far as Obama being Muslim is concerned; I am sure the majority of political conservatives would tell you, honestly, they don't really care whether Obama is Muslim or not. They do, however, strong object to the fact that he would deny his trur faith simply to win an election. Now, what kind of a person would do that, and would you want such a person to be President of our United States?
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slb
August 19, 2010 5:52 PM in reply to davidfarrar
I love how you just glide into the assumption that it is "a fact" that Obama has "denied his true faith."
Don't you people have better things to do than to keep making shit up?
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 5:58 PM in reply to davidfarrar
I stand corrected. I really didn't mean to imply Obama had actually denied his true faith, simply that that would be how some people would view the situation -- unlike George W, who WAS sent here by God to protect us.
Ha! Ha! Just kidding for Karl's benefit.
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August 19, 2010 5:02 PM in reply to davidfarrar
You sir, are an asshole.
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August 19, 2010 5:10 PM in reply to Karl
Damn, sorry this was supposed to be for davidfarra. My bad. I'll go spend a week in a tea-bagger retreat for penance.
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slb
August 19, 2010 5:55 PM in reply to Karl
No need for an apology -- that's exactly who it posted to:
August 19, 2010 5:02 PM in reply to davidfarrar
You sir, are an asshole.
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Hobbes83
August 19, 2010 5:03 PM in reply to davidfarrar
Shut up. There was no acknowledgment of a muslim past. You're just making things up now. Does it feel good to lie to yourself so you feel better about the fact that you KNOW this isn't true? Just go away man, you're tying up bandwith with your ignorant, fallacious comments.
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 5:34 PM in reply to Hobbes83
Wait a moment. Obama has acknowledged he was a Muslim, born of a Muslim father and schooled the Islamic prophet Muhammad's teachings, and able to recite the أَذَان with perfect Saudi accent. All this is a matter of record; is it not?
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slb
August 19, 2010 6:05 PM in reply to davidfarrar
Wrong. Obama has never stated that he was a Muslim.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 6:28 PM in reply to slb
Click here for my source.
Hint, hint: it's Obama himself.
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Hobbes83
August 19, 2010 7:56 PM in reply to davidfarrar
And you still continue to lie. You haven't read his biography, and the only link that you can post is to a video which first off has a DISCLAIMER at the beginning making a claim that they in no way OVERTLY make the assertion that you do. It's a compilation of clips of him showing specific cultural courtesy to different leaders in which bowing is a form of respect(they did a pretty poor job because he bowed to the Emperor of Japan, so does that make him Shinto too?), and a clip of him committing a slip of the tongue, which we all do from time to time.
Yet again, you show no ethics in your assertions. All you do is lie and then try to cover it up with some BS link that goes to some site that you found. Look, I can make baseless claims and link to them too!
Bush is Hitler:
http://bushishitler.wordpress.com/
Poppy Bush is part of the NWO!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AlUasAvcec&feature=related
See how easy it is to get BS info off of the internet to make BS claims? So easy, a teabagger can do it.
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 9:14 PM in reply to Hobbes83
His registration document on Jan. 24, 2007, to the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows that his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam.
There is also some indication that this document contains the name of a madrasah Obama attended prior to attending St. Fransiskus Assisi school.
But, clearly, we both have a little backtracking to do. Obama, himself has stated he has a Muslim past, but that he hasn't, in fact, ever mentioned that he, himself, was a Muslim. I stand corrected.
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August 19, 2010 5:05 PM in reply to davidfarrar
Okay, I'll try this again. You sir, are an azwhole.
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August 19, 2010 5:12 PM in reply to Karl
Double "palin " moment, really took aim and shoot myself in the foot.
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donquijoterocket
August 19, 2010 5:05 PM in reply to davidfarrar
And you're a bleeding idiot until such time as you prove otherwise.I suppose the Reverend Wright flap achieved no penetration of your Kevlar kranium. Can't have it both ways although the baggers generally try. Either he's a Muslim or he was amember of a church with a radical christian minister, which is it?
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FredB
August 19, 2010 5:17 PM in reply to donquijoterocket
Well said Don
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 5:43 PM in reply to donquijoterocket
According to Obama, it's both. But I am sure one of the first things Reverend Wright would have done for Obama if Obama wanted to "join" his church was to baptise him. Lacking a letter from another church, this would have been a perfectly normal thing to do. It is why the church is there.
I may be wrong in this regard, but I don't think you are a Christian until you are baptised.
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kasinca
August 19, 2010 5:16 PM in reply to davidfarrar
Since we are guaranteed freedom of religion in this country and by our constitution, what difference does it make for a right wing racist like you to have fantasies? What do you call people who get dumber the more information that are given? Besides teatard, wingnut, rightwinger, republican, or dumb*ss? It would be racist.
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August 19, 2010 5:31 PM in reply to davidfarrar
Sincerely, in what regards... sincerely regurgitating infantile crap, or sincerely full of teabagger angst and nowhere to express it. I really hope you clods get paid by the amount of manure you sling. What did your mommy say get a job or get out, and this is the best you can do? At least try to be original, say like, Obama is the advances scout from the planet "I don't have F'n life so I'll troll the progressive web sites and pretend I can walk upright". The trolling circus that follows these posts doesn't add anything to the conversation. It's like having one of those little shat-flies buzzing around you head. Really, go back to your basement and finnish watching the power rangers, and spanking it to pictures of Phyllis Schafly.
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August 19, 2010 5:36 PM in reply to Karl
WTF, i keep trying to post to d-farra and keep getting bounced around. yo...davidfarra this ones for you and all the other piss-ant trolls tools. Damn!
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slb
August 19, 2010 6:10 PM in reply to Karl
Your posts are being posted as replies to the right person, Karl -- take a look at the "in reply to" line at the top. Sometimes it's just a little hard to tell from the indenting.
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expat46
August 19, 2010 6:23 PM in reply to Karl
Karl, you're hitting him with every punch.
Go back and look at your comment AUGUST 19, 2010 5:31 PM in reply to davidfarrar
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 5:53 PM in reply to Karl
I am here, sir, taking this abuse for only one reason, I seek the truth. I try and do this by calmly articulating one side's point of view to the other side, without any ad hominem or personal attacks, and seeking in return their intelligent, reasoned counterpoints, again, with all of the ad hominem or personal attacks. I find only in this manner can we, the People, arrive at an enlightened path.
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heir ball
August 19, 2010 5:57 PM in reply to davidfarrar
Your a piece of spent toilet paper reveling in the division of America and the subjugation of the constitution for your amusement or partisan purposes.
Frankly, I'm getting sick of your bullshit.
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heir ball
August 19, 2010 5:59 PM in reply to heir ball
And of course this must be true until you show evidence that you're not...........
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 6:01 PM in reply to heir ball
Ah, another intelligent, reasoned counterpoint.
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heir ball
August 19, 2010 8:23 PM in reply to davidfarrar
you're a terrible person or an agent against America, or both,
until you can show evidence that you,re not...
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 9:36 PM in reply to heir ball
Guilty until prove innocent. That doesn't sound very American to me.
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EnnuiDivine
August 19, 2010 9:26 AM
"The poll finds that the less you like Obama, the more you're likely to call him a Muslim. 'The view that Obama is a Muslim is highest among his political opponents,' the pollster writes. '31% of Republicans and 30% of those who disapprove of his job performance express this view.'"
I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK
from the increasingly loud minority of vocal, deluded idiots in this country. And the media which insists on reporting on them.
How have we gone from being the world's shining becon of liberal democracy...to having 1/5th of the country believe the President is a foreign born secret Muslim? And that "Muslim" has become an insult?
I'm not thrilled with Obama's job performance, even if he did inherit a recession, two wars, and an increasingly bitter and irrational minority in Congress. In an ideal world, we could do better in 2012. But when THIS is 18% of the country, and his likely opponents in the next election are conniving, self-aggrandizing, amoral zealots (Gingrich. Palin. Romney. Huckabee. Et.al.) who seek to exploit the deluded to further their own warped, destructive political agenda...I'd gladly pull the lever to give Obama a second term.
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FreeRider
August 19, 2010 9:35 AM in reply to EnnuiDivine
Well, since we live and work and vote and die in the real world with recessions and wars and joblessness, I'm curious to see who could do better.
Please give us the long list of democrats who could have gotten healthcare (of any kind) through, gotten a bigger stimulus, pulled the combat troops out of Iraq ahead of schedule and gotten as much significant legislation through in the face of this opposition.
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EnnuiDivine
August 19, 2010 9:46 AM in reply to FreeRider
You're still a smarmy prick, ya know that?
Hence my qualifier "in an ideal world".
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Riesz Fischer
August 19, 2010 11:05 AM in reply to EnnuiDivine
I find FreeRider's absolute loyalty and obedience to Obama fascinating. Not only does he attack anyone who criticizes Obama but now he starts foaming at the mouth over the mere suggestion that we could do better.
Just think about how deluded he is: he thinks that even in an ideal world Obama would be the best president conceivable. It's hilarious! Even Dumbya didn't command such absolute loyalty from his minions.
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EnnuiDivine
August 19, 2010 11:32 AM in reply to Riesz Fischer
Ideally, there's always a better possibility out there.
Obama's made some missteps, misstatements, and has outright fucked a few things up. But he's the President we have and we could certainly have done worse.
And it's a moot point. No sitting President has sought re-nomination by his party and lost since Chester Arthur in 1884. If Obama runs again in 2012, he'll be the Dems candidate.
And he'll be the best of the alternatives (i.e., whatever useless asshole the Repubs put forward)
Of course, none of this changes FreeRider being a smarmy prick.
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 11:46 AM in reply to EnnuiDivine
Chester Arthur! Isn't he also the only other president who was accused of violating Article II, Section L, Cls 5 of the U.S. Constitution?
OMG!
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twirling fartknocker
August 19, 2010 1:25 PM in reply to davidfarrar
why do so many racists use African American-inspired avatars?
it's kind of like homophobic men who constantly tell butt and anal sex jokes
no matter how hard you try to hide it or cover it up, you people just can't help revealing your true selves. you've got an obsession you've not yet come to terms with
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 6:25 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
I am afraid your post reveals more about you than my avatar does about me.
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twirling fartknocker
August 19, 2010 6:32 PM in reply to davidfarrar
I know you are but what am I?
what a totally vague and nonsensical reply, completely avoiding the question
of course, the question was rhetorical because I knew you'd never answer it. it would require a bit more introspection than you obviously care to do
so, carry on with your avatar attacking people of color. pretend I never said shit about it
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 6:36 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
Thnink about it.
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Dave
August 19, 2010 5:32 PM in reply to EnnuiDivine
And only 4 Presidents in the last 110 years have sought reelection and lost (3 were Republicans). Incidently, can you think of a president in U.S. history who accomplished more than Obama in his first 2 years? (Remember Roosevelt had 334 Dems in the House and 76 in the Senate by 1937.)
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chameleon
August 24, 2010 6:30 PM in reply to Dave
No I haven't ------and he will win hands down in 2012 and the dems will still control the house and the senate after the mid-terms.
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August 19, 2010 5:16 PM in reply to Riesz Fischer
davidfarrarara, I all ready cleaned out the dog crap in the backyard, if I'd known I'd have saved as a in-kind response. Go troll your self.
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slb
August 19, 2010 6:18 PM in reply to Karl
Now that time you did reply to the wrong guy.
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 6:34 PM in reply to slb
It must be one of them things you call a freudian slip.
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expat46
August 19, 2010 7:29 PM in reply to slb
:)
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FreeRider
August 19, 2010 11:42 AM in reply to EnnuiDivine
In other words, you can't name anybody?
Thought so.
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braveomatic
August 19, 2010 12:53 PM in reply to FreeRider
Howard Dean
Al Gore
Al Franken
Russ Feingold
Sherrod Brown
Anthony Weiner
Alan Greyson
There. Now you have some randonly chosen names. Feel better?
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davidfarrar
August 19, 2010 6:39 PM in reply to braveomatic
And what about the 800 pound qorilla?
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FreeRider
August 19, 2010 11:50 AM in reply to EnnuiDivine
By the way, "in an ideal world" Obama could also do better as president because he wouldn't have conservadems, obstructionist republicans, wars and budget deficits.
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twirling fartknocker
August 19, 2010 1:29 PM in reply to FreeRider
are you an employee of the Obama administration or on a related political action committee payroll?
if not, you should be
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FreeRider
August 19, 2010 2:06 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
Are you an employee of the firebagger brigade or on the payroll of an anti-Obama PAC?
If not, you should be.
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twirling fartknocker
August 19, 2010 5:13 PM in reply to FreeRider
I know you are but what am I?
You're a clever one, ignoring my question and hoping I wouldn't notice.
I'll take your non-response as a "yes."
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FreeRider
August 19, 2010 5:18 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
I know you are but what am I?
You're a clever one, ignoring my question and hoping I wouldn't notice.
I'll take your non-response as a "yes."
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twirling fartknocker
August 19, 2010 6:39 PM in reply to FreeRider
well, I was hoping you'd answer my question first, since I asked it first.
no, I'm not anti-Obama per se, nor am I paid in any capacity whatsover to be anti-Obama. I'm what you might call a free thinker, untethered to a single politician, candidate, or party.
now, how about you? are you an employee of the current administration, paid to make fiercely pro-obama comments, and/or what are your pro-Obama affiliations??
or just continue to avoid the question, which I will take as a "yes" to one or all of the above and leave it be
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FreeRider
August 20, 2010 2:20 AM in reply to twirling fartknocker
If you're stupid enough to believe that the Obama administration or the DNC or anyone else would pay people to post blog comments on a website read by maybe a thousand people a day, it's no wonder you're stupid enough to actually respond seriously to my mocking questions.
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twirling fartknocker
August 23, 2010 8:00 PM in reply to FreeRider
you soooo smart
call people dumb win argument
ugh
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twirling fartknocker
August 23, 2010 8:09 PM in reply to FreeRider
ps. you still haven't answered the question.
pps. I know online marketing quite thoroughly and there are indeed people who get paid to leave comments around the web, in support of their brand or against the competitors. happens every day
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FreeRider
August 23, 2010 9:42 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
When I start trying to sell you weight loss remedies or cures for insomnia, then you might be on to something.
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twirling fartknocker
August 24, 2010 1:23 PM in reply to FreeRider
still no answer
point being, though, as it was, you might want to broaden your perspective, learn to accept shades of gray in life (and in your heroes), or seriously figure out how to get paid for your partisanship if you are not already
the last word is yours...
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FreeRider
August 24, 2010 5:53 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
You'll never get an answer from me because your request is like the birthers demanding Obama produce his birth certificate. You've made up your mind and nothing I say will change it. Besides, your opinion of me is irrelevant.
According to you, anyone who supports this administration must be paid to do so. Talk about being beholden to black and white.
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Darrius
August 19, 2010 11:32 AM in reply to FreeRider
@Freerider,
You forgot to stipulate that they would have to do it in less than 18 months.
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kmac
August 19, 2010 11:25 AM in reply to EnnuiDivine
I agree 100 percent ... I am totally disallusioned with the behavior of so-called educated, adult human beings. I am in further disbelief that we have come to the point that lies, confirmed lies, are still spewed constantly and diliberately on MSM. Where is the country I so loved?
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windowpane
August 19, 2010 12:02 PM in reply to kmac
The Europeans are laughing at us (literally).
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Powkat
August 19, 2010 4:16 PM in reply to EnnuiDivine
Yeah, we haven't been too shining, really. The dominant White, Protestant paradigm in this country has killed, enslaved and/or legally discriminated against Indians, Blacks, Jews, Catholics, Hispanics, Japanese, Chinese, etc. etc. since its inception.
The only difference I see is that between 1950 and 1980 there was an active movement to recognize and de-legitimize de jure discrimination. Along with removing discriminatory laws, it had the added effect of changing hearts and minds for many people. We became a more tolerant society, more open-minded; it became increasingly unacceptable to make racist remarks or jokes, the haters retreated to the fringes.
Since Reagan set the tone by announcing his candidacy in Philadelphia, MS (site of the brutal murder of Cheney, Goodman and Schwerner) the Republicans have blown the dog whistle of discrimination with increasing intensity and decreasing subtlety. Like all their policies the cumulative effect has been a slow erosion of any progress made before 1980.
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It's Pat
August 19, 2010 9:27 AM
The next survey should ask "Do you care".
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CityGuy
August 19, 2010 9:55 AM in reply to It's Pat
Yeah.... I guess the White House needs more Sunday photo-ops of the Obama's going to church. Or maybe just of the president eating pork rinds?
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EnnuiDivine
August 19, 2010 10:06 AM in reply to CityGuy
Republicans have already commissioned paintings replacing Jesus with Ronald Reagan at The Last Supper.
Maybe the Dems can do the same with Obama....
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Marquis de SeaToShiningSea
August 19, 2010 9:39 AM
(18-11)/11=7/11= about 50% more, not almost double.
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Rionn Fears Malechem
August 19, 2010 10:50 AM in reply to Marquis de SeaToShiningSea
More like 64 %, but, yeah. I thought liberals were supposed to be promoting numeracy! 18 % is only twice as many people as 11 % if the population itself has increased 22 %, which I think would be the bigger story.
If TPM is as antagonistic to math as the right wing media, where can a fellow turn?
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
August 19, 2010 11:23 AM in reply to Rionn Fears Malechem
Well, while we're on the subject, is there any fucking chance that some day, some golden day, TPM reporters could finally stop treating changes that are inside the margin of error, particularly changes within demographic slices that are themselves to small to render statistically meaningful?
Last time 5% of liberals thought he was a Muslim and now it's 6% and that's significant?
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO IT IS NOT!!!!!!! STATISTICALLY THEY'RE NOT EVEN DIFFERENT!!!!! STATISTICALLY THAT'S JUST PREDICTABLE, RANDOM, EXPECTED VARIANCE, STATISTICAL NOISE, IT MEANS NOTHING!!!!! REPORTING AS IF IT MEANS SOMETHING IS JUST MAKING SHIT UP TO FIT A PREFERRED NARRATIVE!!! IT IS DIFFERENT FROM FOX MAKING UP SHIT ABOUT CROSS-BORDER MURDER RAIDS BY MESSICAN DRUG GANGS ONLY IN DEGREE OF PERNICIOUSNESS, NOT IN KIND OR QUALITY!!!!!
If they hadn't doing it since, like, forever, I wouldn't be shouting. And I do it because it's not hard, it's not obscure secret knowledge and because I could go anywhere if all I wanted was write-to-the-preferred-narrative and facts be damned junk reporting.
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kash79
August 19, 2010 12:08 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
May be you should apologize for going big and bold. Otherwise, I agree.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
August 19, 2010 1:26 PM in reply to kash79
First time ever and not done without due deliberation.
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kash79
August 19, 2010 1:39 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
3/4 of my comment was on a lighter note, of course
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slb
August 19, 2010 6:25 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Easy, fella. I understand the frustration. But we don't want you stroking out on us. People who stick to the facts and can read the numbers correctly are more valuable than ever.
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mans_best_friend
August 19, 2010 9:49 AM
Not coincidentally, this is roughly the same percentage that gave Dick Cheney a big thumbs-up. It's a wonder these people continue to breathe without being reminded.
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eggroll
August 19, 2010 9:56 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
It's also the percentage of American adults who cannot tie their shoelaces.
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tinsk
August 19, 2010 11:23 AM in reply to eggroll
It's also the percentage of Americans who believe they've seen extraterrestrial aliens.. legal or otherwise. And half the number who claim to have been visited by a ghost.
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hollywood
August 19, 2010 2:15 PM in reply to tinsk
I have got to quit being so nice to people out there! They are fucking idiots! i have not traveled in the deep south for ages and never will again. America lost all my respect when it reelected Bush. The people you see in the streets everyday are not as smart as you give them credit for. It is way past time for intelligent well informed Americans to fight back really hard and not take shit from idiots!
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donquijoterocket
August 19, 2010 5:10 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Probably not to idiots like you you'd probably want to bring Orly Taitz in on the case and sue for standing.
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JBL1955
August 19, 2010 10:00 AM
This is what happens when Obama follows Jesus' admonition to not make a public show of his piety.
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slb
August 19, 2010 6:35 PM in reply to JBL1955
Hah! Yeah.
But also, he wasn't brought up in a pious household. His mother -- who was an anthropologist, after all -- was skeptical of religion, and she exposed him to a wide variety of faith traditions.
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Kristen Urt
August 19, 2010 10:05 AM
You mean he isn't? What that? You want proof? Well, he's got that funny unAmerican name and...and...he's *whispers* one of those people. You know he's one of the brown hoard. After all, aren't all of *those* people Muslims?
*sigh*
Has America always been this stupid, or it this the new and improved 2010 version of stupid we've been seeing?
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MrRandom
August 19, 2010 11:36 AM in reply to Kristen Urt
Believe or not we've actually been a lot more ignorant historically.
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castanea
August 19, 2010 1:47 PM in reply to MrRandom
Yeah, but not with facts and myth-busting so readily available via the Internets, if someone is willing to devote the time necessary to saddle up teh Google and ride for a few minutes.
Look! Over there! A chupacabra!
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ru4862
August 19, 2010 10:07 AM
How does this poll provide jobs for the unemployed and put food on the table? I mean, c'mon...does anyone really care about what we already know....half of America is illiterate.
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ejg3
August 19, 2010 10:08 AM
And if he were, so what?
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downburst
August 19, 2010 10:11 AM
Judging by the chain mail my mom is forwarding to me, there's a serious campaign to give this impression. Lots of "I found a video where Obama ADMITS he's a moslem! [sic]" stuff.
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old1
August 19, 2010 10:12 AM
Well if it looks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, and Waddles like a Duck, it's probably a DUCK!
If you are raised by Communists, Grow up in Muslim Indonesia as an Indonesian Citizen in Indonesian schools, hold an office you are not legally qualified to hold, and bow down to Muslim dictators like they're your God, you might not be a Duck, BUT, were Ducked until we get rid of the this unAmerican usurper!
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nick
August 19, 2010 10:16 AM in reply to old1
Just another DITTO HEAD
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EnnuiDivine
August 19, 2010 10:22 AM in reply to nick
Leave him be. He's a Real American©. He wants our Presidents to bow down to corporate bankers, oil tycoons, and pastors of influential megachurches.
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AJM
August 19, 2010 1:16 PM in reply to EnnuiDivine
And kiss Saudis like Bush did.
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Smitallica
August 19, 2010 10:20 AM in reply to old1
Read a book. Retard.
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Sniffit
August 19, 2010 10:21 AM in reply to old1
Fantastically retarded. Kudos. Now, put your bib and helmet back on and go back to your fingerpainting.
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pirate jenny
August 19, 2010 10:21 AM in reply to old1
so.... you're probably a dumbfuck?
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swooning
August 19, 2010 10:28 AM in reply to pirate jenny
I think you mean a Dumbfuck.
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August 19, 2010 10:42 AM in reply to old1
There is no such place as "Muslim Indonesia", it's a democracy with explicit freedom of religion. Only 80% of the country is Muslim, around 10% is Christian, and all major Christian holidays are federal holidays in Indonesia, including the feast of the ascension, which isn't even the case here in the US of A.
On top of that, what's the Communist dig? Communists are atheists, not Muslims. Add to that there is no way he could be an Indonesian Citizen, as his father was Kenyan (UK Citizen at the time), not Indonesian, and becoming an Indonesian citizen is not an easy process.
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downburst
August 19, 2010 10:45 AM in reply to David
Good reply, except--don't feed the trolls.
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braveomatic
August 19, 2010 1:40 PM in reply to David
I get confused. How can Obama now be Muslim, but during the campaign he was raised in Rev. Wright's church?
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bluesplashy
August 19, 2010 1:45 PM in reply to David
You just blew all the troll's little brain fuses! Now he'll start believing all athiest are Muslims!
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August 19, 2010 10:47 AM in reply to old1
Hey, forgive this person; (s)he's just not rational
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kernel
August 19, 2010 11:15 AM in reply to old1
You'd probably know more about ducks than the rest of us, but I suspect your advantage ends there.
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jsfox
August 19, 2010 11:22 AM in reply to old1
A reminder:
Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to pound the keyboard and remove all doubt.
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crazycarnypoptart
August 19, 2010 11:53 AM in reply to old1
ok what office is he not qualified to hold? See you guys just make shit up becuase you are selfish spoiled little bitches. Well if you hate america and its elected leaders then Get out. and for the record of course he is christian, I mean hell you guys threw a huge fit when you found out his reverend is reverend wright.
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AJM
August 19, 2010 1:18 PM in reply to old1
Sorry. A majority of your fellow Americans elected this Christian to an office he is entitled to hold.
Please find a straitjacket until you recover your ability to assess reality,
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ronik
August 19, 2010 10:13 AM
I wonder is these people are clustered in any one geographic area?
We need to use polls like these to determine our educational policies. Forget NCLB testing. These polls tell us all we need to know about how well our citizenry is capable of critical thinking.
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nick
August 19, 2010 10:14 AM
What else can you expect from a group of people who get their info from A Brain fried Drug Abusing Junkie and Fox Noise ??
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a4638809
August 19, 2010 10:16 AM
Could Jeremiah Wright be a secret Imam?
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Smitallica
August 19, 2010 10:22 AM in reply to a4638809
Exactly. These same people accused Obama of hating America because he went to Reverend Wright's church for twenty years. That's a Christian Church, by the way. They're fucking idiots, plain and simple.
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greentaxman
August 19, 2010 10:20 AM
An article in the New York Times today by Sheryl Gay Stolberg implies that it is President Obama's fault that so many people think that he is a Muslim and that he was not born in the US.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/19/us/politics/19memo.html?src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Fnational%2Findex.jsonp
How is he supposed to have "refudiated" these erroneous facts? Shouldn't disseminating the truth be the job of the media. These are lies about facts not opinions. Conventional wisdom is that it was Senator John Kerry's fault that the lies and distortions about his military record took hold in public opinion. Ms. Stolberg's article cites Andrew Kohut of the Pew Center as saying that the President is at fault for not making religion a part of his public persona. Doesn't Mr. Obama have enough on his plate. I don't care about the religious beliefs of the President or how he practices them. I only care about how he governs and I would only be concerned if his religious beliefs somehow interfered with his decision making.
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August 19, 2010 12:26 PM in reply to greentaxman
Did the b---- not remember Obama wrote a freaking autobiography? I'm sure the information she so desperately requests is in it.
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slb
August 19, 2010 7:07 PM in reply to greentaxman
Articles like that drive me crazy. The White House countered the accusation that he was not speaking enough to faith and values:
And then Stolberg comes back with
Well, whose bloody fault was that?? Obama's??? Crimony!
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson weren't particularly reliigous, either. Jefferson was a famous skeptic; Washington, despite being a member of the vestry of his local parish church, he attended services rarely and never took communion. I don't think the country fared so badly under either of them.
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maya89
August 19, 2010 10:21 AM
all this shows is how ignorant so many people are.. and nothing else..
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maya89
August 19, 2010 12:58 PM in reply to maya89
it also shows and how easy it is to manipulate people into believing total falsehoods.. well, most human beings in the world believe in all sorts of myths and superstition, don't they now??....;-)
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August 19, 2010 10:21 AM
If he is a secret muslim, why would he increase forces in Afghanistan? Oh wait, maybe the muslims want us there, so they can beat us. So he is carrying out their evil plot to up our presence so they have more americans to kill.
Diabolical
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rlfast
August 19, 2010 10:23 AM
I think, therefore it's true. What a great country!
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Sniffit
August 19, 2010 10:24 AM
Here's an axiom for you:
Polling stupid people generates stupid poll results.
Ergo, if you are looking at stupid poll results, they must have polled stupid people.
Good on ya, America...you're fucking stupid.
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Smitallica
August 19, 2010 10:28 AM
And over 50% of Americans believe the earth was created in six days a few thousand years ago, and evolution never happened.
Stupid people will believe a lot of inane shit if someone in a position of authority tells them to.
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August 19, 2010 10:31 AM
We must be close to election time; c'est triste, n'est pas.
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Joppoi
August 19, 2010 10:39 AM
a) Even asking the question biases the poll, since it gives legitimacy to a rumor that people might otherwise dismiss.
b) Given that the increase comes from so-called conservatives, this seems more like a case of: Obama = Bad. Muslims = Bad. Therefore Obama must = Muslim since they're asking the question.
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Meteor
August 19, 2010 10:40 AM
The number of Americans who think has nearly doubled.
Great news! How many does that make now?
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August 19, 2010 10:43 AM
Outstanding, this means that the US public is clearly accepting of a future Muslim president!
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Citizen
August 19, 2010 12:00 PM in reply to David
That's EXACTLY what they are afraid of. I mean, the fact that a black man was elevated to the POTUS scares the shit out of them so now they want to take their country back. They didn't give a crap about it when W was fucking it up and spending us into the recession yet Obama is doing what he's supposed to do and try to get us out and all he gets is BS flack about it. God forbid another person of color or religion gets the job next like perhaps a Hispanic, Cuban, Asian, etc. They kill themselves then. Immigrants coming into this country are becoming the majority while Caucasians are definitely becoming the minority and this is what the TeaKluxKlan, Limpdick, Beckenstance, O'Biley and/or Hammity are afraid of. It's so obvious.
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SoSad69
August 19, 2010 10:52 AM
Proof that 34% are retarded. However, I'm not surprised tho. These chumps are the ones pushing the mosque debate. Idiots.
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alaric
August 19, 2010 10:55 AM
Great news for President Recreation. Jobless claims at a nine month high and it's time for another vacation!!!!!
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Scheherazade
August 19, 2010 11:26 AM in reply to alaric
President Bush spent more time on vacation than the current president has by any means. So, if Bush can take a vacation why can't Obama? Oh right because he's not in the party you like.
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slb
August 19, 2010 7:10 PM in reply to Scheherazade
Bush I was no slouch in the vacation department, either.
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a4638809
August 19, 2010 11:27 AM in reply to alaric
This biting label is somewhat diminished by an inconvenient fact that Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush spent more time on "vacation" during their first year than President Obama did.
From factcheck.org:
President Reagan: 42 days of "vacation" during the first year.
President George H.W. Bush: 40 days of "vacation" during the first year.
President George W. Bush: 69 days of "vacation" during the first year.
President Obama: 26 days of "vacation" during the first year.
In fact, I cannot think of anyone more deserving this moniker than George W. Bush. In total, President Bush spent 487 days at Camp David and 490 days at his Texas Ranch (source).
But thank you for trying.
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Hobbes83
August 19, 2010 10:14 PM in reply to a4638809
Just wanted to let you know that you wasted your time digging those facts up to show this troll. His ignorance knows no bounds. Next time don't try to educate him, just fall back on insults.
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kash79
August 19, 2010 11:06 AM
I'm sure a lot more than 18 percent think Obama has been utterly useless on the economy, and that is more a relevant figure.
Look at his economic team.
He and much of his team are just another batch of Wall Street whores. And "Save the big fish to save the small fish" economics has been a disaster and failed to turn the economy around.
Recession is what will shorten and insult his presidency, rest is really a sideshow.
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FreeRider
August 19, 2010 11:47 AM in reply to kash79
Don't forget the part about him being a corporatist sell-out.
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kash79
August 19, 2010 11:57 AM in reply to FreeRider
Thank you. When intentional sarcasm seems more like unintended fact, it's tine.
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FreeRider
August 19, 2010 12:35 PM in reply to kash79
Be sure to add the part about how he's thrown the left under the bus and your vow to never vote for him again.
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kash79
August 19, 2010 12:59 PM in reply to FreeRider
I never said a word about voting or the left. But, you come here paranoid every day, to wage a disillusioned battle with the "left."
I hope you're at least paid for your hours and hours of unwavering daily commitment to take imaginary sides and draw imaginary battle lines. Otherwise, it is totally pointless.
I am not interested in Obama's or your battle with the "left."
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FreeRider
August 19, 2010 1:09 PM in reply to kash79
But he is a Wall Street whore and a corporatist sell-out, though. HA!
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kash79
August 19, 2010 1:14 PM in reply to FreeRider
I'm not going to argue with your last comment.
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FreeRider
August 19, 2010 2:08 PM in reply to kash79
Why would you argue with your paraphrased statements? Silly wabbit!
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kash79
August 19, 2010 2:47 PM in reply to FreeRider
Of course, you almost always make it personal and nasty at some point..ha ha. Cheers.
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FreeRider
August 19, 2010 4:58 PM in reply to kash79
They are YOUR "personal" statements. I, too, find it nasty to call the president a whore and a sell-out but you said it so obviously you don't have any problem with nasty.
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bugoumai
August 19, 2010 11:08 AM
I'm not surprised tho high heel shoes
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dustbunny44
August 19, 2010 11:14 AM
I think we need look no further than some news outlets and radio programs with featured pundits and quoted subjects who use the phrase "muslim president".
Misinformation misinforms.
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mcmchugh99
August 19, 2010 11:19 AM
In this case, the Republicans are promoting an out-and-out lie and they know it. There's nothing they won't do for more votes: no prejudice they won't play to.
They have no real answers to the country's problems and only serve the interests of the elite, so they can only win by playing constantly to racial and religious prejudices. Of course, in doing that they are also turning off huge numbers of people who will never vote for them again.
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Backcountry
August 19, 2010 11:27 AM
Congrats Faux News and Rush Limbaugh! Your influence is really showing here.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
August 19, 2010 11:28 AM
This just in. Same dumbasses who've eagerly gobble up every ounce of crazy shit that Fox and Limbaugh puke down their gullets for the last decade still swallow crazy shit that Fox and Limbaugh have puked down their gullets.
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August 19, 2010 11:35 AM
Can there be any doubt that the United States is a nation of idiots, sheep, and/or bigots?
What does this guy need to do to prove to these morons that he is a Christian, submit to crucifixion on the steps of the Lincoln Monument? Furthermore, why should he need to do so? Did any President before him have to put up with this stuff? People didn't like the fact that JKF was Catholic, but they never perpetrated the myth that he was Jewish.
It is easy to blame the Fox/Breitbart/Right Wing media hate machine, but for God's sake, people should know better. Unless, of course, they WANT to believe this BS. The most revealing sentence in the article is "The Pew Poll finds that the less you like Obama, the more you're likely to call him a Muslim." How f----ing juvenile. That's like being in high school and inventing stories that the unpopular girl is a slut.
Having lived in this country for 56 years, I can't say that I am surprised. However, I am utterly disgusted and depressed that I must share the country that I love with cretins.
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new10
August 19, 2010 12:03 PM in reply to Ortho
The problem is, when haven't we been that?
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MrRandom
August 19, 2010 11:38 AM
"The Pew poll finds that the less you like Obama, the more you're likely to call him a Muslim."
No shit. That's because Muslim = N**ger in America's modern bigotted lexicon.
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Diomedes
August 19, 2010 11:50 AM
Amazing, isn't it? It may be that because of the way that polls are now reported on by the media, many polling respondents give answers to create 'results' that will make news stories that they want to hear. Maybe it's possibly another example of the "echo-chamber" effect -- many people listen only to the things they want to hear and they only say the things that they want to believe. They may not actually believe that this is "true," but they'd like to be true and to make other people believe it. But perhaps I'm being too charitable, and they really are just morons.
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Citizen
August 19, 2010 11:53 AM
Why don't they stop asking the same people more than once in this polling?! I'm dying to know WHO they're asking.
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windowpane
August 19, 2010 12:00 PM
Looks like teh stoopid is contagious. Be sure to wash your hands frequently.
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bentbill
August 19, 2010 12:08 PM
How can the United States be a world leader in anything with such a high percentage of really stupid people?
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Mary Alice
August 19, 2010 12:10 PM
You could find 18% of Americans who think Jon Stewart is a Muslim or Obama is really a white man in blackface.. It's like the Bell curve.
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xargaw
August 19, 2010 12:12 PM
What is the rate of illiteracy in the U.S.? I suspect there is a correlation to some of these polls. Americans continue to get dumber as a nation thanks to the high drop out rates in our nations schools and the infotainment that we call news today. I am an old cout, but when I was in high school and college we were taught critical thinking, government/civics and how to disect an argument. Do they even teach this stuff anymore? If you tried to pull a fast one with the truth, you were clobbered by your classmates and the professor. Today, you make the evening news and have your outrageous balony given credibility.
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August 19, 2010 12:16 PM
damn people are stupid they believe any dumb-ass thing people on the tv say. what part of he is a Christian don't you people get if he was a practicing Muslim of the extremist type he would have to pray toward's mecca 5 times a day every day iv never seen him do that. Further more the argument that he never goes to church makes him Islamic is also idiotic i never go to church does that make me Muslim no im an atheist but as president what he believes is of no consequence as long as he does his job which he has done very well by the way.
and what republicans are confused by could fill a warehouse
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manchild38
August 19, 2010 12:17 PM
The truth is the majority of Americans in this country who think that they are Christians really aren’t. To be saved and avoid being lost forever a person must truly believe that Jesus died for their own personal salvation and that He was raised from the dead for their own justification and the hold on to that truth until the day they die or until Jesus returns to put away evil from the face of the earth. But sadly most people are trusting in their good works, or the fact they live in America and America is supposedly a Christian Nation, their church attendance and offer rings and tithes and a host of other things that aren't bad unto themselves but trusting in those things won't prepare you to meet a Thrice Holy God. So people need to stop worrying about Obama's spirituality or anyone else for that matter and start making sure they are ready to meet God for themselves because to make it into Heaven you must be 100% pure and without any sin or corruption whatsoever and without faith in Jesus Christ as their own personal Savior no one is going to make it.
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MNPundit
August 19, 2010 12:22 PM
To the extent I am concerned about Muslims it is because many are social conservatives in the vein of S. Alito.
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condew
August 19, 2010 12:23 PM
Important issues continue to languish because all the mainstream reporters have their noses up each others asses; like TPM they continue to flog this non-story about Cordoba house. I guess it's easier to follow the herd than find a real story.
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wishIwuz2
August 19, 2010 12:25 PM
So - what's wrong with Obama being a Muslim? Boehner, McConnell and Gingrich are all Muslims. Palin applied, but was denied.
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redrichie
August 19, 2010 12:57 PM
Does anybody remember when Obama was being attacked for attending a Christian church led by a certain Reverend Mr. Wright?
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sean
August 19, 2010 1:29 PM
So after 8 or 9 years of drumbeat and war coupled with agenda-driven, fact-less news, to say nothing of Arab bad guy-packed entertainments and a crumbling economy, is it so surprising to see the easily manipulated reflect their ill use?
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drunkpeter
August 19, 2010 2:08 PM
"Again, Republicans are the most confused."
No, not confused. WRONG.
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Ironcomments
August 19, 2010 2:11 PM
American conservatism = Christian fascism
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midnight rambler
August 19, 2010 2:46 PM in reply to Ironcomments
failed American middle schools + computer = cut and paste comment spamming
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Ironcomments
August 19, 2010 5:24 PM in reply to midnight rambler
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"
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midnight rambler
August 19, 2010 5:35 PM in reply to Ironcomments
At least I got you to post something different. Still cut-and-paste quotes like your others though. Why do you bother?
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August 19, 2010 5:07 PM in reply to Ironcomments
You have hit the nail on the head. The bottom line is that no matter what this President does, there are forces on the right that will attempt to see that he fails. Limbaugh fired the first salvo the day after the election when he said that he hoped this President would fail. It has merely escalated since then.
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rstephen
August 19, 2010 2:13 PM
It's difficult to tell what Obama is when he's always on vacation. Now he's at Martha's Vinyard hobnobbing with the rich after spending the last couple weeks collecting all their bribes. At least Bush liked to spend his time goofing off with average folks. Obama is the first president to use the office as the means to climb the social ladder.
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lyris
August 19, 2010 2:36 PM in reply to rstephen
Wow, can you have the nerve to post that one? Remember chimpy? He went on more vacations than any other president in the history of the United States.
It cost us $20 million for his vacations.
Are there people really this stupid in this world? Try looking up facts for once in your life.
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slb
August 19, 2010 7:36 PM in reply to lyris
And just so that rstephen doesn't have to look too hard, CBS has a nice article on this today: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014132-503544.html
It makes the point that a U.S. president's vacations are always working vacations. That said, some comparative numbers from it:
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No comparison.
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midnight rambler
August 19, 2010 2:48 PM in reply to rstephen
"Goofing off with average folks", down on his enormous ranch? Funny, I don't recall that part.
Bush didn't need to hobnob with the rich so much while he was president because he'd been doing it literally all his life.
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FredB
August 19, 2010 5:25 PM in reply to midnight rambler
That's right. As Bush once stated himself his constituency is made up of the "have mores." As opposed to the have nots.
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August 19, 2010 5:50 PM in reply to rstephen
Monkey bone, one those average folks was, the Saudi King. Holding hands and getting a little tongue.
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lyris
August 19, 2010 2:32 PM
Looks like the number of stupid people nearly doubles.
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sean
August 19, 2010 3:33 PM
the first president to use the office as the means to climb the social ladder
Never before has a president's wife had her name taken by a snack cake...er...
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SocialJusticeForAll
August 19, 2010 4:09 PM
May we should listen to President Obama?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKqFBpk_1Eo
And what Church did he attend on Easter? and on Christmas?
I missed those bits of news.
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donquijoterocket
August 19, 2010 5:27 PM in reply to SocialJusticeForAll
This from an ideological component that idolizes Breitbart. I'd sooner believe the various UFO and big foot films.I suspect you miss a lot of things like the short bus home from school frequently while you're off by yourself playing or maybe off playing with yourself.
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slb
August 19, 2010 7:50 PM in reply to SocialJusticeForAll
There was nothing in that tape that shows Obama to be Muslim.
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dtOZONE
August 20, 2010 8:56 AM in reply to SocialJusticeForAll
I didn't go to a church on Easter or Christmas. Does that make me Muslim?
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August 19, 2010 4:11 PM
So? What if he is? I don't care.
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biglith
August 19, 2010 4:45 PM
How can we fly like an eagle when we have to flock with turkeys. One shot at life and I have to live in country with so many idiots.
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pmb50
August 19, 2010 5:04 PM
In the absences of the truth lies prevail. Hey Obama responding to bullshit would be nice
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slb
August 19, 2010 7:52 PM in reply to pmb50
The problem is, the noise machine would then only generate more bullshit.
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TheIronCage
August 19, 2010 5:19 PM
This just proves how completely full of shit *any* politician is any and every time they cite the "will of the American People" as justification for anything they do.
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FredB
August 19, 2010 5:22 PM
I can't believe this evil meme is creeping into some Democrats minds.
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Stratdude
August 19, 2010 5:45 PM
The backward rubes who say Obama is a Muslim also said, along with their hillbilly preachers, that the deserter, war criminal, mass murderer, pathological liar and thief George W. was sent by God to protect us.
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August 19, 2010 5:46 PM
Please. Guys... trying to debate a rightwing – slack jawed – mouth breather...is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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puarau
August 19, 2010 6:21 PM
Not a single W.A.S.P. sitting on the Supreme Court, and the righteous right are getting all weird about Obama's religious predilections. Imagine a North America in the future, O Canada to the north, a slimmed-downed United States in the Middle, los Estados de Mexico a la sur. And a theocratic, impoverished country existing with-in the remnants of the Mason-Dixie, with their palms forever extended upward, and but their domes of their mega-churches shining brightly. Unless these folks start comprehending the constitution, which on the one hand they profess to be strict constructionist, but on the other, want to change daily because of the cause de jour, please o please, let these folks SECEDE (crown Gingrich, the Nazi hater, da leada). We will take their refugees, and then they can build their fence, which they can pay for themselves. We can pull all our military and federal investments northward, and then we will watch the OBM revise the numbers. I.E., look at Louisiana pointing fingers at the Federal Government, when their state government laissez-faired all enviro regulations to oblivion.
Reap what you sow, no?
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MikeW67
August 19, 2010 8:47 PM
Of smear tactics by extremist media outlets, Abe Lincoln would have said;
"You can fool some of the people, ALL of the time"... ;^)
- Balkingpoints / www
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jerichothedrifter
August 19, 2010 9:37 PM
American Presidential politics is a game played for keeps.
How can anybody...anybody...can legitimately believe that Barack Obama could be a noncitizen or a Muslim (or a Muslim noncitizen) and it wouldn't be found out by the opposition research of the Hillary and McCain campaigns and used to torpedo his 08 candidacy?? He must have been a really stealthy, secretive Muslim noncitizen to keep that quiet during a presidential campaign.
This is just willful ignorance and willful stupidity.
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jerichothedrifter
August 19, 2010 9:39 PM
American Presidential politics is a game played for keeps.
How can anybody...anybody...can legitimately believe that Barack Obama could be a noncitizen or a Muslim (or a Muslim noncitizen) and it wouldn't be found out by the opposition research of the Hillary and McCain campaigns and used to torpedo his 08 candidacy?? He must have been a really stealthy, secretive Muslim noncitizen to keep that quiet during a presidential campaign.
This is just willful ignorance and willful stupidity.
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JasonsRobot
August 20, 2010 1:56 AM
"The number of Independents who say Obama is a Muslim has also nearly doubled. Back in March, 2009, 10% of Independents had the view; today the number is 18%."
Most likely because the number of 'Independents" has increased because more people are self-identifying that way. I'm guessing lots of the Tea Party types are registered Republican but, these days, say they're 'Independent'.
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jonez
August 20, 2010 6:54 AM
Well, at least he married a Christian,
he should get points for that, right?
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Spyder308
August 20, 2010 8:55 AM
This is actually good news in a way. It means that stupidity is a contageous desease and maybe NIH or the CDC can do something about stupidity in America.
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