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Where Do NY Dems Stand On The 'Ground Zero Mosque'?


Clock wise from top left: NY Democratic Senators Kristen Gillibrand and Chuck Schumer, NY Democratic Reps. Anthony Weiner and Carolyn Maloney.

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A lot of attention has been paid to what Republicans are saying about plans to build a Muslim community center near Ground Zero in New York City, but many New York Democrats have been relatively silent on the issue.

Here's a round-up of what some prominent New York Democrats are saying -- or not saying -- about the Cordoba House plans, which won a key legislative approval earlier this week.

A spokesman for Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand sent this statement to TPM:

The community board, which includes many people who lived through the 9/11 attacks, overwhelmingly voted to approve this proposal and Senator Gillibrand supports the board's decision.

Sen. Chuck Schumer's office, on the other hand, told Greg Sargent of The Washington Post that he is "not opposed" to the mosque, but when "asked for Schumer's views of the opposition, and asked if he actively supports the right of the center's builders to put it two blocks from Ground Zero, Schumer's spokesman declined to elaborate and said Schumer was declining an interview." He also wouldn't answer a Weekly Standard reporter's questions about the issue at a press conference Tuesday.

Rep. Anthony Weiner refused to respond at all to Sargent's repeated questions about the mosque.

Rep. Carolyn Maloney's office sent us this statement in support of construction:

While I understand some of the strong emotions this proposal has created, I believe that preventing the project from being built would run counter to our proud constitutional rights of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom to assemble. I stand with many in our community, including Mayor Bloomberg and the local community board, in supporting the rights of the project's planners to build in lower Manhattan, which I believe will signal to the world that the terrorists will never be able to destroy the American traditions of openness and tolerance.

And Rep. Jerrold Nadler released a new statement today condemning the "shameful and divisive" opposition to the Cordoba House:

As an elected official who believes strongly in the separation of church and state, I contend that the government has no business deciding whether there should or should not be a Muslim house of worship near Ground Zero. And, as a representative of New Yorkers of all faiths and cultures, I find the singling out of Muslim-Americans -- because of their faith -- for animus and hate to be shameful and divisive. We should instead work toward building tolerance and understanding. For centuries, New Yorkers have exhibited a great capacity to incorporate and benefit from diversity. The Cordoba House, which is the product of moderate Muslims, has the support of the local community board and a wide swath of Lower Manhattan community leaders.

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August 5, 2010 12:12 PM   

It is worth noting that about 150 House Republicans, including some from New York and Virginia, successfully killed health care funding for 9/11 responders. It is particularly shameful and disgusting that this roster of reprobates includes Eric Cantor and Frank Wolf, both of whom certainly lost constituents in the 9/11 attack and have responder constituents who are sick.

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August 5, 2010 12:30 PM   

Why should anyone care what Democrats say? Everyone in the media knows that it's only what Republicans say that really matters.

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August 5, 2010 12:36 PM    in reply to Frog Leg

So true.

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August 5, 2010 12:39 PM   

This is a sham. From "Ground Zero" you won't even be able to see the new building.Two bigger buildings will be blocking its view. The (Jewish) Anti-Defamation League's statement about the new building -- much more than merely a mosque -- being "in our faces" is a pile of crock in addition to being defamatory. When will the ADL learn that American Muslims are not their enemy? And Schumer is a coward.

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August 5, 2010 1:36 PM    in reply to exregis

"From "Ground Zero" you won't even be able to see the new building. Two bigger buildings will be blocking its view."

How do you know that? The developer hasn't even finalized the plans yet. You got some inside information? Out with it.

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August 5, 2010 2:33 PM    in reply to hrebendorf

August 2nd issue, The New Yorker.

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August 5, 2010 2:44 PM    in reply to exregis

I did a search, but I'm not finding anything. Here's what he told the Wall Street Journal last month:

"It's definitely going to be an expression of New York and of America," Mr. El-Gamal said in an interview Friday, a few days after his project, now dubbed Park51, came under fire at a raucous Landmarks Preservation Commission hearing.

Mr. El-Gamal said he wanted something energy-efficient and transparent, probably with a glass façade. He said he hasn't yet hired an architect and that it's too early to detail the design he has in mind. But he singled out two recently built New York buildings that he admired: the hulking, abstract Cooper Union edifice in the East Village and 7 World Trade Center, the slender glass skyscraper just north of Ground Zero and a block away from the Park51 site.

He added that he envisioned a landmark that would be as much a tourist destination as the Empire State Building. "I want to build something that when people come to New York…that Park51 is on that red tour bus as something that they have to see because it's one of the most significant buildings in New York City," he said."

If it's anything like 7 World Trade Center, you will definitely be able to see it from Ground Zero.

http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704196404575375260371805650.html

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August 6, 2010 12:16 AM    in reply to hrebendorf

We know the Cordoba House/Park 51 is going to be 13 stories tall, and we know there are already going to be taller & wider buildings in between the Cordoba House/Park 51 & Ground Zero. Read Nate Silver's perspective.

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August 6, 2010 12:22 AM    in reply to Peter H

I respect Nate Silver immensely as a pollster, but he's not the developer. He doesn't have a clue.

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August 6, 2010 12:48 AM    in reply to hrebendorf

You don't have to be an architectural expert to judge whether the Park 51/Cordoba House will be visible from Ground Zero. And the developer himself has said that nobody will be able to see Ground Zero from Park 51:

http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/2010/07/qa-with-sharif-el-gamal-about.html

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August 6, 2010 1:00 AM    in reply to Peter H

Go for it. It will be visible from floor three of the rebuilt WTC. And it's already visible from across the Muslim world. This is a statement. And it's been made. They don't need to bother with the physical building.

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August 6, 2010 8:53 AM    in reply to hrebendorf

I have no idea what you're talking about.

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August 5, 2010 12:58 PM   

Schumer still disgusts me. That he would even utter "they believe in the Torah" when discussing Israel-Palestinian issues still pisses me off.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/11/chuck-schumer-on-gaza-str_n_609594.html

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August 5, 2010 1:00 PM   

Here is a question for them:

"Do you support 'Muslim Free Zones?'"

Maybe New York could just set up some type of neighborhood to keep all the Muslims in. We could call it the Muslim Ghetto.

I'm sure Schumer would not object.

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August 5, 2010 1:10 PM    in reply to AlphaLiberal

Great post. Maybe we should round up American Muslims--concentrate them, if you will--into some sort of camp or something, so we can tolerate them all in one place.

Seriously, why are we even having this debate? It's not illegal to be a Muslim in America and it is not illegal for Muslim's to own land or build houses of worship in America. Opponents of the mosque are quite simply asking the Lower Manhatten Land Use Commission to break the law. If Weiner and Schumer are more afraid of offending their Jewish constituents than they are committed to upholding the law of this land, then they should consider relocating to Israel. Elected officials have an obligation to uphold the Constitution of the United States, not the policy directives of the ADL.

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August 5, 2010 9:08 PM    in reply to mmanion

Where do you get the idea that Schumer and Weiner are "afraid" of offending their Jewish constitutents? Schumer said he didn't oppose the center. Projecting much? And suggesting that they relocate to Israel? Really? The only one who's suggesting rounding people up and deporting them is you. So congratulations, you win the bigoted asshole award.

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August 5, 2010 1:15 PM   

It isn't a mosque and it isn't at Ground Zero.

So why does the media continue to tell us that is a mosque and that it will be at Ground Zero?

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August 5, 2010 1:37 PM    in reply to Kaneblues

Because without the Ground Zero qualifier it is a non story . . . which it should be.

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August 5, 2010 1:16 PM   

Dear Congresscritters,
How would you have felt about opening Cordoba House before 9/11? Really? You wouldn't have had a problem with it? Then why would you now? Are you letting terrorists scare you? Because that's what it sounds like.
* When you capitulate to terror, you play into Bin Laden's hands.
* When you give Al Qaeda recruiting material, you play into Bin Laden's hands.
*When you say "we'll build your mosque when you let us build a synagogue in Saudi Arabia" you essentially propose taking us down to Saudi Arabia's level.
I don't want to be at Saudi Arabia's level. This is America. Land of the free. Home of the brave. Try acting like it.

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August 5, 2010 2:59 PM    in reply to cazart

If they tried acting like it, they wouldn't be congresscritters. Nice to see that a few of them have a spine, some dignity, and a basic grasp of what it means to be an American.

By this I mean the ones who support Cordoba House.

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August 5, 2010 1:23 PM   

So really not bad overall. Nadler and Maloney have spot on responses. Schumer doesn't oppose it, which is really all I ask and I don't need elaboration, Gillibrand is properly supporting the community's right to make its own decisions through the community board.

Weiner needs to grow a pair. If he opposes it and won't say so then I won't be able to forgive him despite his good qualities.

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August 5, 2010 1:23 PM   

Who cares what they think. It's not up for a vote. It's not within their purview. They have no say what so ever about whether the private landowner can build a mosque.

Why do they have no say? Because in America we don't tell people that they can't develop their land just because someone doesn't like their religion. Since the land is zoned for things like the mosque, there is nothing of substance for elected officials to discuss.

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August 5, 2010 1:33 PM    in reply to juke R

Not true. We do it all the time. They can rezone, tax the hell out of them, find them guilty of some "crime" or zoning violation, have the inspectors harass them to death, investigate them for ties to terrorist groups, hang them up in court for decades. Believe me, if they think there's a reason this shouldn't happen, it won't happen.

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August 5, 2010 1:29 PM   

It's hardly surprising that Schumer is hedging. A recent Quinnipiac poll shows that the majority of New Yorkers are opposed. I'm sure Schumer is waiting to see which way the wind blows (as usual).

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1302.xml?ReleaseID=1473

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August 5, 2010 1:38 PM   

From a recent article in the New York Observer:

"In this case, the local community board is in favor of the project. The mayor is fully supportive, as is Council Speaker Christine Quinn. In short, the neighborhood, the community, and the New York City government are for it."

Why are the opinions of Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin and others being given any credence on the issue of the appropriateness of the development of an Islamic Community Center in lower Manhattan? These people could care less about the people of New York and have always thought their values were superior anyway. This is purely a local issue to be governed by the rules and regulations of the local authorities. Isn't this the general position of Mr. Gingrich and Ms. Palin? Should I, as a resident of upstate New York, have any say about development in general and the building of houses of worship in Wasilla, Alaska? That would be ludicrous.

When we read about this issue the opinions of specific local residents are NEVER cited, just that some unknown, unmentioned people would have their feelings hurt by the proximity of the Community Center to the World Trade Center site. It's time for New York elected officials to take the same stand that Mayor Bloomberg has. This is not an issue with much nuance. It is pretty clear cut. Freedom of religion, tolerance of others is what we are all about.

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August 5, 2010 1:46 PM    in reply to greentaxman

"When we read about this issue the opinions of specific local residents are NEVER cited..."

Oh come on, that's not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_House#Opposition_to_construction_near_Ground_Zero

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August 5, 2010 1:38 PM   

Hey look, if they don't build it in Manhattan I don't want them building it in the Philadelphia area as it would be too close to the fourth hi-jacked terrorist plane that went down on 9/11 near Pittsburgh. It would be a poke in the eye of patriotic Pittsburghians.

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August 5, 2010 2:33 PM   

The opposition to this is from people who 1) Don't know New York and 2) Don't care about New York, except when they think they can score political points be talking about 9/11. They LOOOOOOOVE them some 9/11 and (correctly) consider it an attack on all of the U.S., but for some reason, more in the Bible Belt than in, you know, the actual city that was attacked.

Two blocks in New York is not the same as two blocks in Indianapolis or Juneau. In New York, you can walk two blocks and be in a whole different world. I really wish people who hate New York and would be more than happy to see the whole New York Metro area fall into the Atlantic would keep their mouths shut about what happens here and what it means.

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August 5, 2010 2:46 PM    in reply to Mad Librarian

That's not true. Recent polling shows that a majority of New Yorkers oppose the location.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1302.xml?ReleaseID=1473

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August 6, 2010 12:06 AM    in reply to hrebendorf

That same poll also shows that a plurality of Manhattan residents support the Islamic community center.

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August 6, 2010 12:28 AM    in reply to Peter H

That's right. New Yorkers are the most open-minded, tolerant people in America. They have no problem with the mosque. They just want it located somewhere else.

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August 6, 2010 12:44 AM    in reply to hrebendorf

Are you referring to Manhattan residents? If so, you're wrong.

When asked by Quinnipac whether they favor "a proposal by a Muslim group to build a Muslim mosque and cultural center two blocks from Ground Zero", 46% of Manhattan residents said they support it, 36% oppose it, and 18% said they don't know/had no answer.

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August 6, 2010 12:53 AM    in reply to Peter H

According to the poll, a majority of New Yorkers support the mosque and oppose the location: The Poll

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August 5, 2010 2:54 PM   

You know, I'm still traumatized by the financial collapse of 2008. Therefore, building any new banks, investment firms, or other cathedrals of capitalism anywhere near Wall Street would be a slap in the face of all those who suffered. Moderate bankers refudiate these actions!

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August 6, 2010 5:38 PM   

As someone who is represented by both Maloney and Schumer, I can tell you that they get their opinions from AIPAC.

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August 6, 2010 6:10 PM   

This is a really misleading TPM post, at least the lede. It says that "many" NY Democrats have been "relatively" silent on the issue. But in the following examples, they all basically say they support the local bodies responsible for making the decision. That is the position that members of Congress should be taking. Surely their plates are full enough without getting involved in a minor local real-estate development squabble.

Schumer's people says he is "not opposed." but then Sargent asks the spokesperson about "Schumer's views of the opposition, and ... if he actively supports the right of the center's builders to put it two blocks from Ground Zero."

Why should they respond to such a leading and loaded question? There would be no way to respond to that question and not look bad. If "NY Dems" are "silent on the issue," maybe it's because there is no issue there.

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August 10, 2010 1:48 PM   

Having been at the NYC Landmarks Preservation Committee meeting on Aug. 3, I want to weigh in on the issues being dealt with, or not, by our Democratic leaders, as reported by TPM.
The media frenzy, responding to Deblasio and a few vocal, sign-carrying, shouting individuals, centered around the disturbance they caused rather than on the reasoned positions taken by the members of the commission and the public who applauded their 9-0 vote. This vote had nothing to do with their individual emotional states concerning the 9/11 events, or where they stood in relation to the building in question. They were appropriately voting on thorough examination of the premises and surrounding area in question and the criteria of their mandate for this commission. All of this information was clearly spelled out in their statements for all to hear. A thorough examination of the surrounding area indicated that numerous houses of worship of varying denominations were within a few blocks radius. (The 92ndSt Y has a community center in Tribeca, relatively nearby).
In addition, many Muslims died in the 9/11 events, people who worked at the Twin Towers and attended classes at the community college blocks away. Families of 9/11 are in two different groups. The larger one, with a membership of 2,000 have taken no position on this issue. Medea have reported facts of the vote inappropriately using biases of the vocal
protesters. The position of the ADL was reported on the same day, the other by the AJCOMMITTEE not noted.
In the light of the forgoing explanation, a group from J Street NYC activists (including myself) was present with a banner indicating who we represented as we delivered a petition signed by 10,000 Americans, many Jews and others. Very few people and media reps. asked our positions, and some who did misrepresented them n print and on TV and radio. (Blogs and articles in the next few days were more accurate and deliberate).
To their credit, in particular Congressman Nadler (who made a reasoned argument for maintaining separation between religion and state), Congresswoman Maloney, and Senator Gillibrand took strong positions on constitutional grounds, that the builders of the proposed community center/mosque be permitted to build without limiting the location. Mayor Bloomberg made strong media covered statements supporting the decision of the committee and the right to worship for all religions without intervention. As we in J Street believe, no religious group in his country should be treated differently than another. As American Jews, informed by our history and heritage, the values of religious freedom, equality and justice are deeply important to our community. What better way to honor the memories of the victims of 9/11 than to stand up against hatred and bigotry and for our core principles of freedom and tolerance?
Congressman Weiner has taken a position which appears to agree yet calls for oversight of funding as the building progresses. Senator Schumer has, as yet, not spoken out.
I am proud that J Street, the political home for pro-Israel, pro-peace Americans has joined other Jewish and non-Jewish groups, in supporting the community for the Cordoba House and the religious freedom it represents.

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August 10, 2010 5:31 PM   

My apologies to Mr. Deblasio. The reference should have been Rick Blazio, very different people.
Sorry.

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August 31, 2010 10:54 AM   

I want to thank you for your comments on religious freedom and the Park51 Community Center. At a time when many politicians are engaging in fear-mongering and scare tactics, your words reinforce that we are all entitled to the same American values, regardless of faith or ethnicity. As the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) recently indicated, the rise of hate crimes and discrimination against Arab, Muslim and Southeast Asian Americans are on the rise, which is alarming. It is through tolerance and understanding that we will unite and move past the hate crimes and violence. This can be achieved through leadership such as yours.

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