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Walker’s New Plan: Charge Protesters Big Money

Protesters inside the Wisconsin State Capitol on March 10, 2011 in Madison, Wisconsin.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s administration is rolling out a new strategy to deal with the waves of protests that have fallen upon the state Capitol, ever since he rolled out his anti-public employee union legislation, and which have given rise to the recall campaigns targeting him and other Republicans: Make the protesters pay for all the costs of the increased event security.

As the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports, the Walker administration announced the new policy on Thursday, and it will be phased in by Dec. 16. Under the policy, groups of four or more people must request permits at least 72 hours in advance, for events at the state Capitol or other state buildings.

In addition, organizers would have to pay for the extra Capitol police officers, at a rate of $50 per hour per officer — plus costs for police officers brought in from outside agencies, according to the costs billed to the state. The police payment would have to be tendered in advance, as a requirement for getting a permit. Afterwards, organizers would then be charged for any clean-up costs.

The new rules have First Amendment experts asking some questions:

Edward Fallone, an associate professor at Marquette University Law School, said the possibility of charging demonstrators for police costs might be problematic because some groups might not be able to afford to pay.

“I’m a little skeptical about charging people to express their First Amendment opinion,” he said. “You can’t really put a price tag on the First Amendment.”



Bob Dreps, a lawyer who handles First Amendment cases including work for the Journal Sentinel, noted that the state can put some restrictions on the “time, place and manner” of free speech. But he said it was “laughable” to define a rally as four or more people.

“They still have to be reasonable on their face,” Dreps said of the rules.

When asked for comment, state Democratic Party spokesman Graeme Zielinski told TPM: “This is more evidence of Scott Walker running Wisconsin like a Banana Republic, with no regard for our traditions or norms. This is an administration obsessed with quashing dissent and demeaning all democratic tools available to citizens who right now are rising up against it. It is un-American.”

Starting this past February, when the legislation was first rolled out, there have been many protests at the Capitol, some of which attracted tens of thousands of people. In some ways, the protests were arguably the true forerunner of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

During the most heated moments, when protesters were staying day and night in the Capitol, police were brought in from around the state to guarantee security — with a reported increase in law enforcement costs of $8 million, for February and March.

This reporter was flown out to Madison for those protests, and can say that things actually went very smoothly, with demonstrators cooperating with police and maintaining some sense of order. Though it was certainly very, very loud, there was also a lack of any violent incidents — an amazing thing, when one considers that there were so many amassed angry people.

At one point, the Walker administration attempted to shut the demonstrations down by going to court, and stating in submitted documents that there had been multi-million dollar damages to the building. However, they quickly backed away from the multi-million claim, when it was found that there had been no professional estimate. However, that number would go on to be touted on Republican talk radio and other venues.

A professional estimate that was done much later, revised the figure way down to $270,000 — and found that for even this, any damage was a matter of the crowds massively accelerating normal processes of wear and tear on the building, rather than any pattern of vandalism: “Essentially the building experienced three to five years of wear within a two-week period.”

2012, 2012 elections, Recall, Scott Walker, WI-GOV, Wisconsin , Wisconsin Protests, Wisconsin Recalls
Eric Kleefeld

Eric Kleefeld joined TPM as an intern for the final months of the 2006 midterm elections, and then kept showing up for work. His other interests include guitars, old comic books and the politics of various English-speaking countries.

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sywht 56 pts

Always nice of republicans to show America a government we don't want.

tdispatch07 626 pts

Charge the same to Republicans (three or more) having lunch at the same table.

Bruce Basile 147 pts

It`s genious I tell ya genious.

MyPetGloat 20 pts

Does anyone in Wisconsin still support this Walker douchebag?

fargo117 1371 pts

Just show up anyway.

DARE Walkers' cronies to try and make them pay for the right to say "Bite me.".

Dustman 8 pts

Does this mean that the Wisconsin state legislation needs to get a permit 72 hours before they hold a session? And do they have to pay in advance to clean up after them? What about lobbyists? Do groups of four or more lobbyists need a permit to meet with a legislator? Just asking.

John Kahler 34 pts

Was in Madison in August and there were numerous groups of homeless veterans and out of work folks around the capital. I guess the governor will be wanting them to get permits too. Shameful. Just like any good king wanting to squash legitimate dissent.

George Sullivan 62 pts

Clearly an attempt by the Governor to stifle free speech. He's calling for a "Free Speech Tax".

Bwakfat 2344 pts

However are the Koch brothers going to afford the busses to bring the addle-pated loutish teabaggers to Wisconsin now? Walker is going to have to answer for that, no doubt.

alaric 16 pts

http://biggovernment.com/cowens/2011/11/28/richmon... I'm sure he was just taking a strategy from the Democrat playbook.

Bwakfat 2344 pts

alaric It is incredibly inane to attempt, however ineptly, to accuse the democrats of what you teabaggers and GOP overlords engage in on a daily basis.

You made this bed, quit whining.

alaric 16 pts

Bwakfat Good lord, did you just make an argument there? Oh, and Buuuuush!

dick_data 45 pts

Keep in mind that all of this happened because Democrats stayed home and didn't vote in 2010 because they were angry and disgusted. I did door-to-door in NM, and I saw it first hand. Our guy (Heinrich) eaked out a win, but it was a lot closer than it should have been. Obviously, the Democrats - a majority of the 99% - stayed home in 2010 in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and a number of other states, allowing the Republicans to take complete control of state government. I analyzed the election returns for the 2000 election in Harris County, TX (Houston). We Democrats carried our precincts by margins like 20:1, while the most Republican precinct in the county was Republican by only 2:1. But the turnout in the Republican precincts was 70% and the turnout in the Democratic precincts was 25%. OF REGISTERED VOTERS.

BonzoDog1 33 pts

When the highest court in the land equates money with speech in Citizens United, it naturally follows that those without money have the obligation to remain silent.

"We the People" need to amend the Constitution and kill corporate personhood.

JEP 3513 pts

BonzoDog1 just rolled back the covers and there it was...

FreedToChoose 201 pts

Man-oh-man... man-oh-man... When reason stops randomness takes over. Protesters should give him money to spend on his recall campaign. His actions must be doing more damage to him than the reasoned approach of the recallers.

frolickinggadfly 15 pts

Looks like Kaiser Walker is adding fuel to the flames of his rapidly impending recall. No doubt this brilliant maneuver came about after some late night pillow talk with the Kochsucker brothers.

adam.x.hill 186 pts

i know i'm stating the obvious, but if the proverbial State <i> chooses </i> to provide police personnel for a peaceful event, then that's the State's burden. if the event turns destructive, then the culprits are still legally and financially responsible. there's no need for any new laws or ordinances for the current legal processes to work. i am curious, though, if States have guidances, or requirements, for when police presence is necessary?

Ringo Stark 5 pts

more than 3 people standing in a group?

Pffft!

adam.x.hill

Miguel Fernandes 13 pts

This gives new meaning to the slogan "Freedom isn't free".

Maybe 2136 pts

Ah, taking the "free" out of freedom of speech.

FreedToChoose 201 pts

Maybe Only a feeble attempt. The court smack-down is imminent.

dale0987654321 1561 pts

Interesting. I thought conservatives wanted less government regulation.

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dale0987654321 Only for the same people who get the less taxes deal.

sfrefugee 7 pts

Why should peaceful protestors be required to pay for the teargas, batons, pepper spray, water hoses, and that Walker wants to use against them?

leftflank 676 pts

What will come first, recalling Walker or this cheesy plan : )

Paul Leisure 15 pts

THIS FACIST NEED TO BE RECALLED!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE THE PEOPLE OF WISCONSON ELECTED HIM, WHAT WERE THEY DRINKING????

attilatheblond 1154 pts

Paul Leisure Pssssst, politicians lie when they are running for office.

alpuz3 176 pts

Paul Leisure I can't believe it either. I couldn't believe it last year when I was told Russ Feingold didn't have a chance against Ron Johnson by a guy who knew his stuff. I couldn't believe it when I sat every morning and watched the ads by Club for Growth and Americans for Prosperity deluge our local airwaves. I couldn't believe when former log rolling Real World star Sean Duffy(who married bug-eyed crazy lady extraordinair Rachel) took over David Obey's seat in the house of representatives. I couldn't believe it when Scott Walker took a prank phone call and spilled his guts regarding planting 'troublemakers' in crowd' and didn't incite disdain from 'conservatives'. I couldn't believe it when the the state Capitol building was shut down and metal detectors where placed at it's doors for the first time in it's history. I couldn't believe it when democratic representatives literally brought their desks outside of the 'locked down' capitol to meet with the people. I couldn't believe it when Scott Fitzgerald went to Fox news and told the World that the Wisconsin GoP was busting unions to guarantee and Obama loss in Wisconsin. Every day I can't believe what the hell happend to the state I was born and raised in.

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alpuz3Paul Leisure Sorry. I live in California and it's still hard for me to believe we had Reagan and Schwarzenegger as Governors. It's a strange old world after all.

Holdens_papa 105 pts

alpuz3Paul Leisure Fellow Wisconsin resident here.

Excellent post.

paulgibson53 201 pts

I come home from work at USMC Camp Pendleton and see this article.... Are these clowns serious? I read some of the comments until I came across the comment from our Canadian friend.

Many people "don't get it"... I don't get it either. It seems to me that, we possess and use basic logic and common decency and this influences our perspective. We cannot grasp a perspective that eliminates basic logic and common decency. Or, the gop extremist is an ignorant asshole...

Cueballzs 18 pts

I vote for the "GOP extremist is an ignorant asshole" point of view...

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paulgibson53 We also don't use the same sources for our "news." FOX and right-wing pundits lie and lie and lie. People are foolish to believe them, but if they do then they have no idea what is really going on and vote accordingly.

Steven Kasten 5 pts

what is the greater sinner the person who tells the lies or the person that believes the lie knowing it's a lie Maybe paulgibson53

yenorom56 5 pts

so if a lot of people decide to meet in a a public place and hold up signs without any leader or leaders just who will be made to pay. just saying

HarryBowman 1249 pts

Jay Palmer van Santen The East India Company. Had a loss of about £9,000. I don't know if they got Lloyds to cover it...

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yenorom56 After they pepper spray them the police can go through their pockets. Maybe some of them have gold teeth too.

MizFurball 5 pts

yenorom56 And since Occupy is a leaderless movement with no office, where do they mail the invoice.

namewithheld 103 pts

At this point it's up to the people of Wisconsin to stop being fucking retards and get rid of this douchebag.

MrRubble 222 pts

Typical Republicoward. No regard for the law except as he/she interprets it. Cowardice in the face of free speech ala the Shrub himself.

Cueballzs 18 pts

MrR..

"Cowardice" is a nice way of putting it. If Walker truly felt that his ideas were correct, then put them in front of the electorate, with no holds barred, and see how they play. I am of the thought that this overreach of his--and others of his ilk--would not travel very far. The citizens are finally seeing through the smoke screen of the Republican messaging machine.

At least I truly hope so.

Cueballzs 18 pts

Sadly Gerry,

What you are seeing is the result of corporate money having way too much influence on our political process. These so called "political leaders" such as Walker, are beholden to the people who funded their campaigns. What is really scary is that if they wish to get reelectd, then they will have to kowtow to their benefactors even more. So inorder to answer your question: No there is not much they would not do in order to secure that support. Constitutionality be damned.

He who holds the reins guides the horses.

Clarance Vine 146 pts

Cueballzs And he who holds the whip never feels the sting.

MrRubble 222 pts

Clarance VineCueballzs

Remember Harper's Ferry.

gerry.enns 12 pts

As a Canadian who loves visiting the US a couple of times a year, I just shake my head in amazement at the things American conservative politicians will do to stifle dissent. Are they incapable of seeing the irony that America was founded on dissent? Do they truly not see that their beloved Constitution, that they uphold when it suits their purposes, is designed to stop over-zealous politicians like them from stifling debate? Are they dumb, crazy, or liars?

Finally, who, other than the rich, are voting for these clowns?

Just asking, because I don't get it.

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